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11-25-2003, 10:06 PM

I 100% agree it's good to get people that are the best applicants overall. There are numerous factors that determine who is the best. Not just academics. We want people that are creative and can contribute the most to society. That's important.

I just don't understand how a student body that's 27% Asian, 4% Hispanic, 1% Native American, 3% black, and 65% white caucasian is more motivated and selfless than a 80-90% white causian student body. From what I've seen, whites generally tend to be the most concerned with making a difference in society anyway. Look at how overwhelmingly white the membership of environmentalist organizations is. Not that I'm saying non-whites aren't concerned.

However, what we think doesn't really matter. Affirmative action will exist as long as inequality exists between the different ethnic groups. It will never go away. Since that's a cerain reality, I think the best form of affirmative action is the points system.

Anyway affirmative action can be though of as an entitlement program that taxes one group to support another. We have entitlement programs like welfare that tax the advantaged rich and give the money to the disadvantaged poor. We have entitlement programs that tax the working people and give the money to the retired people. We have entitlement programs that tax the suburban areas to fund development in the rural areas. Affirmative action is simply another entitlement program that taxes a certain group to help another group. Of course this entitlement is both unconstitutional and unfair to a certain group of people, but so are a lot of other government programs as well.

It's not too bad for whites anyway. Opportunities exist for everyone. Even intelligent whites denied admissions to Harvard will probably to a regional university and major in the same field. He might make less money, but he'll still be successful. Affirmative action essentially lowers the possible income level of whites to raise the average income level of non-whites. This may be wrong, but is no worse than the heavy taxes on the middle class that are needed to support programs for the poor.

I'm not saying I support affirmative action, but that it isn't as unusual as people seem to think. It's just how politics works in today's increasing diverse and multi-cultural society where every group believes it needs the government's help to fight discrimination.

If Canada is wise, they'll make sure that "diversity" doesn't get out of control like it has here.

[ November 25, 2003, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: Mushroommarioman ]

11-25-2003, 10:06 PM	#40
Mushroommarioman Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	I 100% agree it's good to get people that are the best applicants overall. There are numerous factors that determine who is the best. Not just academics. We want people that are creative and can contribute the most to society. That's important. I just don't understand how a student body that's 27% Asian, 4% Hispanic, 1% Native American, 3% black, and 65% white caucasian is more motivated and selfless than a 80-90% white causian student body. From what I've seen, whites generally tend to be the most concerned with making a difference in society anyway. Look at how overwhelmingly white the membership of environmentalist organizations is. Not that I'm saying non-whites aren't concerned. However, what we think doesn't really matter. Affirmative action will exist as long as inequality exists between the different ethnic groups. It will never go away. Since that's a cerain reality, I think the best form of affirmative action is the points system. Anyway affirmative action can be though of as an entitlement program that taxes one group to support another. We have entitlement programs like welfare that tax the advantaged rich and give the money to the disadvantaged poor. We have entitlement programs that tax the working people and give the money to the retired people. We have entitlement programs that tax the suburban areas to fund development in the rural areas. Affirmative action is simply another entitlement program that taxes a certain group to help another group. Of course this entitlement is both unconstitutional and unfair to a certain group of people, but so are a lot of other government programs as well. It's not too bad for whites anyway. Opportunities exist for everyone. Even intelligent whites denied admissions to Harvard will probably to a regional university and major in the same field. He might make less money, but he'll still be successful. Affirmative action essentially lowers the possible income level of whites to raise the average income level of non-whites. This may be wrong, but is no worse than the heavy taxes on the middle class that are needed to support programs for the poor. I'm not saying I support affirmative action, but that it isn't as unusual as people seem to think. It's just how politics works in today's increasing diverse and multi-cultural society where every group believes it needs the government's help to fight discrimination. If Canada is wise, they'll make sure that "diversity" doesn't get out of control like it has here. [ November 25, 2003, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: Mushroommarioman ]