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Originally Posted by CaptHayfever  You have said nothing to convince me that the tier structure was coded into the game. It's still something imposed onto the game by players.
You've also said nothing to explain tiers to those of us who don't follow "official" tournaments at all.
Playing Bowser is largely about anticipation and exploitation; once Mr. Best-Fox-Player and Mr. Best-Bowser-Player had fought a few times, I guarantee Mr. Best-Bowser-Player would have picked up on Mr. Best-Fox-Player's habits and patterns and started to use them against him. |
I never said anything about tiers being coded in...because they're not. Tiers are just statistic things that tourney players have come up with based on winners and losers across the board, especially in 'professional' tournaments. I understand that Bowser can be a force to be reckoned with when you play right, but Fox's matchup against Bowser is really, really good. The Bowser player could put up a fight--he might even win a round--but in a best-of-3 series, the odds are that the Fox player will win. At least in a good tourney.
Keep in mind, tiers are useless if the person playing with fox or Falco or whoever is absolutely terrible.
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Wow, presumptuous & arrogant much? Seriously, that was the first place you went when you read what I posted? Dang.
No, I actually meant in some campus tourneys, fighting some guys who are absolute monsters with Marth, Fox, Doc, etc. I'm talking about matches that I lost, though I certainly put up a good front. Heck, I'm even talking about matches where I got completely dismantled for the first 2 lives, but started turning it around afterwards. |
Yeah, sorry, that was kinda harsh. Forgive me, though. I've heard that argument
a lot. And yeah, I get what you're saying. Like I said earlier, regardless of tiers, a player's skill comes into play--A great Luigi could do some damage against a good Marth, especially after learning habits of the player.
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People whining about tiers (whether they won or lost, whether they use an upper-tier character or lower) when I'm just trying to play disrupt my enjoyment of the game. It's them that I'm insulting.
And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" |
Well, yeah, because they're idiots. I say a third time: regardless of tiers, you have to be good with someone for them to be a good character.
I'm sorry if I came off as brash, Capt, and I have nothing against you. But really, after reading so much "glitch-exploiting" and "tiers don't exist" stuff, it starts to wear on you.
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Originally Posted by speed You are now my least favorite person. |
Definitely a great contribution to the discussion.
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Originally Posted by Panfan Tier list - SmashWiki But yeah, the best Bowser player could give the best Fox player a challenge, or :O, he might win! The best Fox player may be the best Fox player, but the best Bowser player may be a better player overall. |
All right, here.
Player A is Fox, Player B is Bowser.
Player A and Player B are equally good, and have won tournaments. Lots of them.
It is highly likely that player A will beat Player B in a Best of 3 series.
Get me?