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Originally Posted by LinkManDX

On Meet the Press, John McCain said that he had:



That doesn't sound like an evangelical position to me.

I could say that I'm a gun-nut fundamentalist social and fiscal conservative opposed to divorce, women's rights, gay rights and abortion. And it's worth nothing if I run out and get endorsments from anti-gun groups, planned parenthood, NOW, GLADD, the ACLU, and vote like a socialist.

McCain went from calling these people "agents of intolerance" to actively seeking their endorsements.

I agree with you that Iraq is in the state of a civil war. However, if we were to pull out, and if Iraq were to fall into anarchy, the blame would fall squarely on our shoulders by the majority of foreign peoples, and we would look even worse to them.

If Iraq were to fall into anarchy? What exactly do you call it when the central government has no authority once you get out of the protected zones, the military doesn't show up because they overslept, Iraqi military divisions acting like "death squads" against other ethnic or religious groups, kidnap+executions, open fighting against coalition forces, IEDs/roadside bombs, mortar attacks, etc.

It's already in anarchy or something close to it. After 8 years of not giving a **** of what foreign powers think, why exactly should we start now?

The problem with this is that every candidate seems to have ties to some sort of extreme religious fundamentalist. The Obama situation is fairly obvious, but Hillary Clinton allegedly has ties to some sort of fundamentalist religious sect. Obviously, you have to take this with a grain of salt (again), but if this is true, this could be either the same or worse and thereby putting everyone on the same level with ties to religous fundamentalists.

Here's the difference: Obama's the equivalent of sitting in church and having your preacher say some stuff you don't agree with. Hillary joined some Washington group that really hasn't fallen out of step with US foreign policy in terms of supporting facists. Neither Hillary nor Obama sought endorsements from these groups. McCain sought out the endorsements of hatemongering kooks. That is the difference. If Obama is elected and the Wright scandal never happened, Wright wouldn't have any say or position in his administration. If McCain is elected, all of the kooks he got the endorsements of (in order to force Huckabee out of the race) are going to stand there with their hands out expecting some sort of quid pro quo exchange. IOW: one of their own in powerful positions.

You seem to answer this by saying he's "actively seeking endorsements", but in the research I did, the most I saw was a quote saying he was "proud" to be endorsed by one of them. However, I have a theory on this.

He's a liar and sought out endorsements.

Also:

CSM: Although he does go against abortion (I'm personally against it in every case except for rape and incest)

Concerning exceptions for abortion flip-flop.