Anime or American Cartoons? - Page 5 - VGF

Kil'jaeden · 07-10-2007, 06:39 PM

That's fine, go on for a while.

Prince Phaeral · 07-10-2007, 09:22 PM

Well, bear in mind most of this is opinionated. And I'm not saying all yaoi fangirls are like this. But, if you truly want to know my opinion I believe that most of them are ignorant and respectless.

Now, I am a gay guy. I do enjoy yaoi myself, and I'm not against it by any means. However, most of it's fandom gives it a horrible name. What bothers me the most is the seme/uke stereotype.

The idea that one man must play the "man", and the other must play the "woman". Dominant and submissive, essentially. In most actual yaoi manga and nearly all fanfiction, this stereotype takes action. One man is hyper-masculine, and the other is feminized to the point where he may as well BE a woman. What really gets me about this, is that yaoi fangirls claim to hate stereotypes, for example the flamboyantly gay male. But unlike the concept of a cute, innocent, child-like girly male-ish thing being paired up with a body-builder three times his size, the flamboyant male actually HAPPENS.

They also only enjoy yaoi because they think it's hot. I have known yaoi fangirls that believe homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle in real life. I have had two boyfriends, and many straight female friends. I won't deny it- I hung around the anime crowd, and with it comes the inevitable yaoi fangirl. Gay men are not objects for female otaku to gawk at. Had any of my current female friends squealed "KAWAII" at seeing me kiss another guy, they would likely be dismissed. Nothing bothers me more than being objectified or generalized.

I just died a little inside at typing the ever-dreaded word, "Kawaii." Oh, god. I did it again. Another fun fact...

They will make the dumbest pairings EVER. It doesn't matter if they're entirely different characters, or hell, from entirely different SERIES. If they're both male, and both hot, it was meant to me. For example, although this is within one series, the ever-popular Link and Dark Link pairing. No, I am not joking. This idea makes me "WTF" just as much as you. Not just anime, too. Jack Sparrow and Will Turner. Jack Skellington and Victor-whats-his-name from the Corpse Bride (not joking). Spongebob and Patrick. I actually knew a girl that insisted they were lovers.

They speak Japanglish, they write god-awful fanfiction such as "WHAT IF CLOUD WENT ON "GAY STRAIGHT OR TAKEN"", they write Mpreg, they slaughter all the characters you love and mold them into stereotypes that they ignorantly follow, and so on. I am NOT saying they are ALL like this. I know decent yaoi fans, fangirls and the like. I'm just sad to say, the yaoi fandom has gone completely downhill ever since the anime craze began in America, and these fangirls give guys like me a bad name.

Wow, that was shorter than I could have done but longer than I wanted it to be. Oh well.

Whelp the dragon · 07-11-2007, 04:07 AM

Animes better beacuse un like American it shows emotion and has more than 1 level of understanding. But american is just rubbish look at things like robot boy or my life as a tennage robot the animation stinks.
Just my views don't kill me.

Galefore · 07-11-2007, 03:33 PM

Here's what I think now that I am older and a little wiser than last time. I will weigh out a few pros and cons of anime in general as well as American cartoons.

All right, we all know Anime is generally worshipped as what is essentially a god. Why? Because the things that anime "fans" have seen are often some of the better of the crop. If an anime fan becomes a fan off of the likes of FMA, Trigun, Basilisk, or the like, they will automatically worship the whole genre instead of picking that one show and saying its good. Saying the whole genre is good based on one thing? Stupid. I'm guilty of said bias, and yes, I openly admit that was stupid.

But the point is, as a fan of anime, I can still say its honestly better than the rapidly deteriorating American genre. In anime, there are many sucktastic shows. So many that it hurts. Usually, the only stuff that makes it stateside is either a masterpiece movie or some big fad over there. We still get crap like Naruto, but with stuff like Basilisk, most people do follow the genre bias concept.

Of course, we still get 4Kids sharts, and thousands of crappy fads. Even so, we do end up with many good things as a whole.

Anime has sucky crap. I know this. I believe that with all my heart. And sometimes the animation sucks very hard. But most anime fans blindly grasp on to our beliefs, or their beliefs considering my views are no longer as one-sided.

American animation, however, makes it a point to suck. In fact, it feels like they try to make the animation and drawing look poor nowadays. As cartoons slowly go into CG territory, classic hand drawn stuff progressively delves into a territory with horrible voices, art, and no story. My examples? Pucca, Shuriken School, Kappa Mikey, Anything on Jetix, and the list goes on. Even with diamonds in the rough like Avatar, you have a lot of rubbish coming along the screen.

Even so, there is an equal amount of suck on both sides. For me, however, Anime has a good side I prefer to the good side of american animation. With Basilisk as my witness, I stand by Anime. But don't get me wrong, there will always be crap. It's a universal law.

SuperMarioSunshine · 08-25-2007, 03:51 PM

Anime. Hands down.

Here's my list-

*Dragon Ball
*Dragon Ball Z
*All of the Gundam series
*Naruto
*Evangelion
*Minky Momo (1982 version)
*Hana no Ko LunLun
*Dr. Slump (1981 version)
*Inuyasha
*Captain Harlock
*Cutey Honey (1973 version)
*Sailor Moon

Kazuci3 · 01-22-2008, 10:18 AM

anime handsdown,it may have been different but all the good american cartoons,have been canceled so,anime wins,

Erdawn Il Deus · 07-10-2008, 11:57 PM

I never posted in this once?

American cartoons by so far it's not even funny. Until anime generates something with the preceding genius of the Simpsons at its gestation, or the Venture Bros contemporarily, they simply fail utterly and absolutely.

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07-10-2007, 06:39 PM	#81
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 1,418 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 28 Posts Points: 8,962.65 Bank: 820.30 Total Points: 9,782.95 Donate	That's fine, go on for a while.

07-10-2007, 09:22 PM	#82
Prince Phaeral Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sephiroth's arms. Gender: Posts: 278 Thanks: 19 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts Points: 2,332.68 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 2,332.68 Donate	Well, bear in mind most of this is opinionated. And I'm not saying all yaoi fangirls are like this. But, if you truly want to know my opinion I believe that most of them are ignorant and respectless. Now, I am a gay guy. I do enjoy yaoi myself, and I'm not against it by any means. However, most of it's fandom gives it a horrible name. What bothers me the most is the seme/uke stereotype. The idea that one man must play the "man", and the other must play the "woman". Dominant and submissive, essentially. In most actual yaoi manga and nearly all fanfiction, this stereotype takes action. One man is hyper-masculine, and the other is feminized to the point where he may as well BE a woman. What really gets me about this, is that yaoi fangirls claim to hate stereotypes, for example the flamboyantly gay male. But unlike the concept of a cute, innocent, child-like girly male-ish thing being paired up with a body-builder three times his size, the flamboyant male actually HAPPENS. They also only enjoy yaoi because they think it's hot. I have known yaoi fangirls that believe homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle in real life. I have had two boyfriends, and many straight female friends. I won't deny it- I hung around the anime crowd, and with it comes the inevitable yaoi fangirl. Gay men are not objects for female otaku to gawk at. Had any of my current female friends squealed "KAWAII" at seeing me kiss another guy, they would likely be dismissed. Nothing bothers me more than being objectified or generalized. I just died a little inside at typing the ever-dreaded word, "Kawaii." Oh, god. I did it again. Another fun fact... They will make the dumbest pairings EVER. It doesn't matter if they're entirely different characters, or hell, from entirely different SERIES. If they're both male, and both hot, it was meant to me. For example, although this is within one series, the ever-popular Link and Dark Link pairing. No, I am not joking. This idea makes me "WTF" just as much as you. Not just anime, too. Jack Sparrow and Will Turner. Jack Skellington and Victor-whats-his-name from the Corpse Bride (not joking). Spongebob and Patrick. I actually knew a girl that insisted they were lovers. They speak Japanglish, they write god-awful fanfiction such as "WHAT IF CLOUD WENT ON "GAY STRAIGHT OR TAKEN"", they write Mpreg, they slaughter all the characters you love and mold them into stereotypes that they ignorantly follow, and so on. I am NOT saying they are ALL like this. I know decent yaoi fans, fangirls and the like. I'm just sad to say, the yaoi fandom has gone completely downhill ever since the anime craze began in America, and these fangirls give guys like me a bad name. Wow, that was shorter than I could have done but longer than I wanted it to be. Oh well.

07-11-2007, 04:07 AM	#83
Whelp the dragon Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Gender: Posts: 543 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Points: 451.33 Bank: 7,896.43 Total Points: 8,347.76 Donate	Animes better beacuse un like American it shows emotion and has more than 1 level of understanding. But american is just rubbish look at things like robot boy or my life as a tennage robot the animation stinks. Just my views don't kill me.

07-11-2007, 03:33 PM	#84
Galefore Gunjinkeeper Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dry land. Gender: Posts: 5,540 Thanks: 602 Thanked 334 Times in 267 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 4,348.66 Bank: 34,721.88 Total Points: 39,070.54 Donate	Here's what I think now that I am older and a little wiser than last time. I will weigh out a few pros and cons of anime in general as well as American cartoons. All right, we all know Anime is generally worshipped as what is essentially a god. Why? Because the things that anime "fans" have seen are often some of the better of the crop. If an anime fan becomes a fan off of the likes of FMA, Trigun, Basilisk, or the like, they will automatically worship the whole genre instead of picking that one show and saying its good. Saying the whole genre is good based on one thing? Stupid. I'm guilty of said bias, and yes, I openly admit that was stupid. But the point is, as a fan of anime, I can still say its honestly better than the rapidly deteriorating American genre. In anime, there are many sucktastic shows. So many that it hurts. Usually, the only stuff that makes it stateside is either a masterpiece movie or some big fad over there. We still get crap like Naruto, but with stuff like Basilisk, most people do follow the genre bias concept. Of course, we still get 4Kids sharts, and thousands of crappy fads. Even so, we do end up with many good things as a whole. Anime has sucky crap. I know this. I believe that with all my heart. And sometimes the animation sucks very hard. But most anime fans blindly grasp on to our beliefs, or their beliefs considering my views are no longer as one-sided. American animation, however, makes it a point to suck. In fact, it feels like they try to make the animation and drawing look poor nowadays. As cartoons slowly go into CG territory, classic hand drawn stuff progressively delves into a territory with horrible voices, art, and no story. My examples? Pucca, Shuriken School, Kappa Mikey, Anything on Jetix, and the list goes on. Even with diamonds in the rough like Avatar, you have a lot of rubbish coming along the screen. Even so, there is an equal amount of suck on both sides. For me, however, Anime has a good side I prefer to the good side of american animation. With Basilisk as my witness, I stand by Anime. But don't get me wrong, there will always be crap. It's a universal law.

08-25-2007, 03:51 PM	#85
SuperMarioSunshine Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: USA Gender: Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 723.37 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 1,233.37 Donate	Anime. Hands down. Here's my list- Dragon Ball Dragon Ball Z All of the Gundam series Naruto Evangelion Minky Momo (1982 version) Hana no Ko LunLun Dr. Slump (1981 version) Inuyasha Captain Harlock Cutey Honey (1973 version) Sailor Moon

01-22-2008, 10:18 AM	#86
Kazuci3 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Gender: Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 38.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 38.00 Donate	anime handsdown,it may have been different but all the good american cartoons,have been canceled so,anime wins,

07-10-2008, 11:57 PM	#87
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 4 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts Points: 22,361.27 Bank: 742.97 Total Points: 23,104.24 Donate	I never posted in this once? American cartoons by so far it's not even funny. Until anime generates something with the preceding genius of the Simpsons at its gestation, or the Venture Bros contemporarily, they simply fail utterly and absolutely.