OH HELL YES!! - Page 2 - VGF

Serial Miller · 01-25-2008, 06:29 PM

I downloaded ArtRage as a backup plan to my somewhat questionable use of PS. Considering it's only 25 bux for the full version, even if it's a simple program, it's still a pretty good solution for a learning artist.

CL: Your panels are great in the OoT comic, but their progression is confusing. Part of this is the lack of line contrast, it would help if you differentiated between panel dividers and actual comic by increasing the thickness of the divider lines. The best example of how this works is the wall in the first panel - you used the same-sized (straight)line on it as the dividers. I honestly stared at it for a while, trying to figure out what you were trying to depict in the lower left "panel" for a good bit before I realized it was just the wall in a tall panel.

Similarily, you can keep in mind that thicker outlines on your characters/moving objects will draw immediate attention to them. The thinner lines are good in the background, to keep it from distracting the reader/viewer. You could also take a quick minute to use a transparent brush, and darken the parts the viewer isn't meant to focus on - I know it sounds like it would look too obvious, but in practise it's good for a subtle effect. Keep in mind that people only notice a failed directive technique, and not a decently executed one.

Also, try to stick with a left to right or top to bottom format, and it'll really help out.

Love the art in that one, aside from progression issues you really nailed it. And yeah, that's definitely happened to me at least once. It gets me cussing like a sailor, regardless of who's present.

CuccoLady · 01-25-2008, 06:40 PM

^^thanks, but I downloaded something already. Hence, you see comix.

^ Thank you... I was wondering why it looked weird.

So thickest lines around the panels, medium-thickness lines around foreground (especially characters), and thin lines in background.

Thank you so much. *gets to work*

Serial Miller · 01-25-2008, 07:35 PM

Okay, I did a quick job of this to show you what I would consider good contrast, and why it helps. Sorry if it bugs you that I messed with your pic, it's still yours and every professional comic team knows the pencil artist gets all the credit, while the inker and color artist are left to rot.

I did the color text just to make it stands out that extra bit, since I didn't want to completely redo it all with a bold-font print. The arrows between frames are just to make it obvious for anyone reading which one comes next. I did a little extra shading aside from just greying the areas that you wouldn't want the viewer to focus on, because I wanted to really show the depth of your backgrounds.

Discrepancies I found: Link is traditionally left handed. In the second frame, his shield has vanished. It reappears in time for the third.

CuccoLady · 01-25-2008, 07:52 PM

^ I noticed his shield thing after I put this up... also, Navi has no wings in the fourth panel.

I'm thinking I ought to proofread things more before posting them... and I'm gonna work more on the shading and contrast and stuff.

Lemme go work on something else. Thank you, again!

Chunky Kong12345 · 01-25-2008, 08:14 PM

Navi doesn't have wings? It looks like she does...

Serial Miller · 01-25-2008, 08:52 PM

^ Circle above the baba in the THIRD panel.

Anyway, you're welcome. I'd say those outlines I did are a little thick, but they show the basics of where you need to go with the image, I think. Can't wait to see what you come up with next.

CuccoLady · 01-25-2008, 09:19 PM

Well, AI, you pwn. I followed your advice, as well as taking some creative liberties...

And this resulted.

you rock. Thanks.

Serial Miller · 01-25-2008, 10:39 PM

Well that is a huge improvement over the first version. Only thing I'd criticize is that the technique you've employed for shading has made it very "busy" looking, which has a way of distracting the viewer from the subject. The new, thicker outlines definitely help, and the second frame is more attractive - the energy in the scribbley background shows the action much better in that frame than the simple action-lines you used before. It looks like you've got the idea, though. Kudos on making the words easier to find - very important, even if the speech isn't integral to the humor.

Great job, CL.

The Missing Link · 01-25-2008, 10:45 PM

CL, you are full of win and awesome.

***ZeldaGirl*** · 01-25-2008, 10:53 PM

CL, that is so hilarious! Kudos to you!

KittenTheSmitten · 01-25-2008, 10:55 PM

^Agreed!
I love it!

It's epic and gorgeous.

CuccoLady · 01-25-2008, 11:54 PM

Thank y'all!!! Especially you, AI.

Yeah, I guess it is a little busy... but it's still IMMENSELY better than the original.

I'll just keep improving, I bet. Thanks much!!!!

-DOUBLEPOSTANDEDIT-

I've also decided...

drumroll please...

TO TAKE REQUESTS.

One at a time, form a line... but I'll do it.

**Kargath** · 01-26-2008, 12:05 AM

Ah, in that case, the Cheshire Cat from American McGee's Alice.

CuccoLady · 01-26-2008, 12:44 AM

^ I'll get started on it!

Here 'tis. Only a sketch.

Serial Miller · 01-26-2008, 07:48 AM

The best way to draw mewsevelt is with lots of lines.

Eric · 01-26-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuccoLady

^ I'll get started on it!

Here 'tis. Only a sketch.

I'll have to sleep with one eye open tonight.this might happen

me------>

<------It

M. Hercule Poirot · 01-26-2008, 03:21 PM

omg hay cl will u draw galefore purty plz

CuccoLady · 01-26-2008, 05:18 PM

^OK. My friends are over today and I have to work tomorrow, so it may take awhile, but I'll do it eventually.

WELL, I managed to get it done before they got here.

Oh, and if anybody wants theirs colored, just tell me... I'll do it eventually, but it will take awhile and new sketches take priority.

EDIT: updated version:

**Kargath** · 01-26-2008, 05:41 PM

That nosehair is out of control

Also, Cheshire Cat had tatts - it was one of the defining features of the design.

M. Hercule Poirot · 01-26-2008, 06:03 PM

That's badass. Thank you, CL!

01-25-2008, 06:40 PM	#22
CuccoLady Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: insert something awkward here Gender: Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 884 Thanked 222 Times in 180 Posts Points: 11,180.61 Bank: 7.67 Total Points: 11,188.28 Donate	^^thanks, but I downloaded something already. Hence, you see comix. ^ Thank you... I was wondering why it looked weird. So thickest lines around the panels, medium-thickness lines around foreground (especially characters), and thin lines in background. Thank you so much. gets to work Last edited by CuccoLady; 01-25-2008 at 07:37 PM.

01-25-2008, 07:35 PM	#23
Serial Miller Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,679 Thanks: 416 Thanked 1,046 Times in 585 Posts Points: 14,035.59 Bank: 1,556,398.07 Total Points: 1,570,433.65 Donate	Okay, I did a quick job of this to show you what I would consider good contrast, and why it helps. Sorry if it bugs you that I messed with your pic, it's still yours and every professional comic team knows the pencil artist gets all the credit, while the inker and color artist are left to rot. I did the color text just to make it stands out that extra bit, since I didn't want to completely redo it all with a bold-font print. The arrows between frames are just to make it obvious for anyone reading which one comes next. I did a little extra shading aside from just greying the areas that you wouldn't want the viewer to focus on, because I wanted to really show the depth of your backgrounds. Discrepancies I found: Link is traditionally left handed. In the second frame, his shield has vanished. It reappears in time for the third. Last edited by Serial Miller; 01-25-2008 at 07:41 PM.

01-25-2008, 09:19 PM	#27
CuccoLady Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: insert something awkward here Gender: Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 884 Thanked 222 Times in 180 Posts Points: 11,180.61 Bank: 7.67 Total Points: 11,188.28 Donate	Well, AI, you pwn. I followed your advice, as well as taking some creative liberties... And this resulted. you rock. Thanks. Last edited by CuccoLady; 01-25-2008 at 09:29 PM.

01-25-2008, 10:39 PM	#28
Serial Miller Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,679 Thanks: 416 Thanked 1,046 Times in 585 Posts Points: 14,035.59 Bank: 1,556,398.07 Total Points: 1,570,433.65 Donate	Well that is a huge improvement over the first version. Only thing I'd criticize is that the technique you've employed for shading has made it very "busy" looking, which has a way of distracting the viewer from the subject. The new, thicker outlines definitely help, and the second frame is more attractive - the energy in the scribbley background shows the action much better in that frame than the simple action-lines you used before. It looks like you've got the idea, though. Kudos on making the words easier to find - very important, even if the speech isn't integral to the humor. Great job, CL. Last edited by Serial Miller; 01-25-2008 at 10:54 PM.

01-25-2008, 11:54 PM	#32
CuccoLady Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: insert something awkward here Gender: Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 884 Thanked 222 Times in 180 Posts Points: 11,180.61 Bank: 7.67 Total Points: 11,188.28 Donate	Thank y'all!!! Especially you, AI. Yeah, I guess it is a little busy... but it's still IMMENSELY better than the original. I'll just keep improving, I bet. Thanks much!!!! -DOUBLEPOSTANDEDIT- I've also decided... drumroll please... TO TAKE REQUESTS. One at a time, form a line... but I'll do it. Last edited by CuccoLady; 01-25-2008 at 11:54 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

01-25-2008, 06:29 PM	#21
Serial Miller Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,679 Thanks: 416 Thanked 1,046 Times in 585 Posts Points: 14,035.59 Bank: 1,556,398.07 Total Points: 1,570,433.65 Donate	I downloaded ArtRage as a backup plan to my somewhat questionable use of PS. Considering it's only 25 bux for the full version, even if it's a simple program, it's still a pretty good solution for a learning artist. CL: Your panels are great in the OoT comic, but their progression is confusing. Part of this is the lack of line contrast, it would help if you differentiated between panel dividers and actual comic by increasing the thickness of the divider lines. The best example of how this works is the wall in the first panel - you used the same-sized (straight)line on it as the dividers. I honestly stared at it for a while, trying to figure out what you were trying to depict in the lower left "panel" for a good bit before I realized it was just the wall in a tall panel. Similarily, you can keep in mind that thicker outlines on your characters/moving objects will draw immediate attention to them. The thinner lines are good in the background, to keep it from distracting the reader/viewer. You could also take a quick minute to use a transparent brush, and darken the parts the viewer isn't meant to focus on - I know it sounds like it would look too obvious, but in practise it's good for a subtle effect. Keep in mind that people only notice a failed directive technique, and not a decently executed one. Also, try to stick with a left to right or top to bottom format, and it'll really help out. Love the art in that one, aside from progression issues you really nailed it. And yeah, that's definitely happened to me at least once. It gets me cussing like a sailor, regardless of who's present.

01-25-2008, 07:52 PM	#24
CuccoLady Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: insert something awkward here Gender: Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 884 Thanked 222 Times in 180 Posts Points: 11,180.61 Bank: 7.67 Total Points: 11,188.28 Donate	^ I noticed his shield thing after I put this up... also, Navi has no wings in the fourth panel. I'm thinking I ought to proofread things more before posting them... and I'm gonna work more on the shading and contrast and stuff. Lemme go work on something else. Thank you, again!

01-25-2008, 08:14 PM	#25
Chunky Kong12345 The Eternally Overlooked Outcast Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ogmftwbqq Gender: Posts: 16,295 Thanks: 61 Thanked 202 Times in 146 Posts Points: 936.52 Bank: 86,115.20 Total Points: 87,051.72 Donate	Navi doesn't have wings? It looks like she does...

01-25-2008, 08:52 PM	#26
Serial Miller Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,679 Thanks: 416 Thanked 1,046 Times in 585 Posts Points: 14,035.59 Bank: 1,556,398.07 Total Points: 1,570,433.65 Donate	^ Circle above the baba in the THIRD panel. Anyway, you're welcome. I'd say those outlines I did are a little thick, but they show the basics of where you need to go with the image, I think. Can't wait to see what you come up with next.

01-25-2008, 10:45 PM	#29
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,573 Thanks: 80 Thanked 183 Times in 110 Posts Points: 5,501.15 Bank: 51,115.11 Total Points: 56,616.26 Donate	CL, you are full of win and awesome.

01-25-2008, 10:53 PM	#30
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01-25-2008, 10:55 PM	#31
KittenTheSmitten Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada Gender: Posts: 139 Thanks: 41 Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts Points: 704.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 704.00 Donate	^Agreed! I love it! It's epic and gorgeous.

01-26-2008, 12:05 AM	#33
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01-26-2008, 12:44 AM	#34
CuccoLady Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: insert something awkward here Gender: Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 884 Thanked 222 Times in 180 Posts Points: 11,180.61 Bank: 7.67 Total Points: 11,188.28 Donate	^ I'll get started on it! Here 'tis. Only a sketch. Last edited by CuccoLady; 01-26-2008 at 02:46 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

01-26-2008, 07:48 AM	#35
Serial Miller Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,679 Thanks: 416 Thanked 1,046 Times in 585 Posts Points: 14,035.59 Bank: 1,556,398.07 Total Points: 1,570,433.65 Donate	The best way to draw mewsevelt is with lots of lines.

01-26-2008, 03:21 PM	#37
M. Hercule Poirot Gale/Cl 2008: All your VGF are belong to us Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dry land. Gender: Posts: 5,423 Thanks: 554 Thanked 318 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 5,882.53 Bank: 31,825.25 Total Points: 37,707.78 Donate	omg hay cl will u draw galefore purty plz

01-26-2008, 05:18 PM	#38
CuccoLady Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: insert something awkward here Gender: Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 884 Thanked 222 Times in 180 Posts Points: 11,180.61 Bank: 7.67 Total Points: 11,188.28 Donate	^OK. My friends are over today and I have to work tomorrow, so it may take awhile, but I'll do it eventually. WELL, I managed to get it done before they got here. Oh, and if anybody wants theirs colored, just tell me... I'll do it eventually, but it will take awhile and new sketches take priority. EDIT: updated version: Last edited by CuccoLady; 02-02-2008 at 02:13 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

01-26-2008, 05:41 PM	#39
Kargath Heat-Seeking Pleasure Machine Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: kargath64.deviantart.com Gender: Posts: 4,216 Thanks: 299 Thanked 76 Times in 66 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 6,369.65 Bank: 150,731.98 Total Points: 157,101.63 Donate	That nosehair is out of control Also, Cheshire Cat had tatts - it was one of the defining features of the design. __________________ Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? -Clifford Stoll

01-26-2008, 06:03 PM	#40
M. Hercule Poirot Gale/Cl 2008: All your VGF are belong to us Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dry land. Gender: Posts: 5,423 Thanks: 554 Thanked 318 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 5,882.53 Bank: 31,825.25 Total Points: 37,707.78 Donate	That's badass. Thank you, CL!