SSQ Deathmatch: Metal Man vs. Fred - VGF

Metal Man · 07-27-2005, 07:59 PM

All right! Here's my own spinoff of the Deathmatches Jay used to do. As such, the background and Fred came from Jay's site. I modified the Metal Man sprite myself, though the basic Metal Man sprite, the feather from SMW, and the Protoman scarf came from Sprites Inc, Shyguy Kingdom, and Sprites Inc respectively. I've already talked with Jay about comix before, so don't assume I intend to steal his ideas. Now then! The comix.

RMC · 07-27-2005, 08:42 PM

Besides the crappy usage of the spray tool and lack luster gore, not bad.

Metal Man · 07-27-2005, 08:44 PM

Ah. Well, that's quite an improvement over melting people's eyes. Thanks for your opinion.

Chunky Kong12345 · 07-27-2005, 10:16 PM

Technically, Joe, that's what Jay does.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-27-2005, 11:29 PM

Eh. It's not that funny, but then again I expected much worse. The shoes part was quite bad... they were multicolored and he's still wearing shoes even after he threw 4 of them at Fred.

But then again there were parts that weren't bad, like "Nothing bad has ever happened after eating tacos!" and the sign falling down. It's not NC quality... well, not the kind of quality we have now. Maybe back when. But even then, this one was kinda short while Jay's were longer and really gave you your.... deathmatches... worth.

You know what I mean.

Edit: Well, some of them, anyway. Ones like Kamek vs. Magus were pretty sucky.

[ July 27, 2005, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: Glyph Phoenix ]

Metal Man · 07-28-2005, 03:30 PM

Besides that, what suggestions/tips can you give me? Like better fire, gore, jokes, etc; I can see that I've managed to hit a threshold where, with some help, I could do something that actually was a full on comic, although a simple and small one. Teach me! I mean, Jay pretty much started out and did everything on his own, but my ability is like that only with computer-related stuff. Artistic things, I require information from other people.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-29-2005, 05:22 AM

First you should get Photoshop. Jay can do without, but Jay's a pro. But Photoshop just makes things go along faster, since you can use layers and things. See if you can use Limewire or something to get it. (Just make sure you don't get a virus instead!)

But that's just a helper. As you have seen, you don't need Photoshop to be funny.

Well, if you're making deathmatches I guess that's not such a bad place to start out. They're simple and any mistakes you make should be easily caught, so I'll start with giving you some tips on those.

No gore. This is NC. The only one who thought gore would be a good idea would be Sean Kelly but he's not funny so he doesn't count.
There is an amazing thing about funny. If a joke is good enough you'll laugh, and if a joke is bad you won't, but if a joke is really really bad it might be so stupid it's funny again. If you're going to do a stupid joke don't just stop at stupid, try and make that joke so stupid it's funny again. You should have done that with shoes.
You need interesting opponents. 3-way between Mario and Luigi and Wario or Peach and Pauline and Daisy are not new but they leave open many a possibility, while other things like Wart vs. Ridley are just... bizarre. And funny. Putting yourself as an opponent is just kinda stupid.
Keep in mind that you can basically do whatever you want in your deathmatch. And if you go nuts and change the whole thing or make cameos by characters for no reason, that's fine... in fact, if you can make it funny, I encourage it. Just make sure not to make something stupid unless it's stupid-funny.

Also, why are you worried about artistic things anyway? This is NC. If you look at the encyclopedia under "funny but not good looking" you'll find a picture of Jay.

Jonathan Resop · 07-29-2005, 12:02 PM

Heh. Yeah. That about sums me up.

But try not to be too hard on the guy. It's just his first Deathmatch. I mean...look at my first Deathmatch. Yoshi vs Kirby? What the heck was that?

And yeah, I don't know what I was smoking with the whole Wart vs Ripley thing.-jay

Metal Man · 07-29-2005, 02:41 PM

That final slide there was supposed to be fire, actually. Just that technical difficulties (cough accidentally saving over previous frames cough) caused me to neglect it.

I think there's photoshop laying around somewhere this house, although paint.net can also do a variety of things.

However, I didna realize that a good portion of a deathmatch's funniness was that it had ridiculous matchups. I'll experiment with these suggestions for the next comic.

Alph · 08-04-2005, 06:49 PM

I wonder if I should ever try my hand at making a deathmatch. I think I could do a few characters justice...

Glyph Phoenix · 08-04-2005, 08:14 PM

Hey, now. Match ups matter, but they don't have to be ridiculous. Bowser vs. Wart vs. Wario was funny and those were three bad guys from the same series.

Alph · 08-04-2005, 11:22 PM

[deleted at the request of Metal man]

[ August 07, 2005, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: Alph ]

Glyph Phoenix · 08-05-2005, 06:10 PM

You didn't even get Mario's personality right. Mario likes muffins. That's all. Even contemplating something like "nobody will notice if I use the wrong 'too'" is a bit much for him. You can try and change the character all you like in your own comic ... but if you're not going to make Mario the muffin-loving, poodle-buttering, rock and oxygen fighting idiot that he is don't make a deathmatch. I guess having him talk in third person at the beginning was okay, it sounded like him.

And that is saying nothing of the other junk you did. The PWNTzooka sucks. It's not funny. If you're going to do a ripoff of the Deathzooka the least you could have done is did the thing where Jay crosses out existing words and writes something else (in your case, PWNT). It may seem lazy, but it sets the tone for future laziness and it's kinda poking fun at how sprites rip each other off and just wacky in general.

And cursing? Gah. Nobody curses in NC because it's not funny and it's not appropriate. I guess there's an occasional word here or there, but it's never anything big and they're always spaced out, unlike this crapfest here.

Having the text outside the box was a mistake for Jay, and you had to make it even worse by putting it in the image... which really sucks. Clever splitting of the image would have eliminated the need for that.

Now, on the other hand, "In what we can only assume is a running animation" was a pretty good line. Well, what do you know. That appears to be just about the only good thing about this deathmatch.

Alph · 08-06-2005, 11:46 AM

It's funny that you complained about Mario's personality, because that was all about Non-NC Mario complaining about the image NC has given him, so your complaint sorta proves his argument right. The rest was just a parody of the sad state deathmatches are in right now.

The other stuff...like the frames not being split...yup that was laziness. Oh well.

[ August 06, 2005, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Alph ]

Glyph Phoenix · 08-06-2005, 02:20 PM

"Sorta proves his argument right"? Your failed attempt at rational thought sickens me.

NC is a comic, and Mario is a character. He is a very stupid character. If you want to make a comic where Mario is a very smart character, you are free to do so. But if you're going to make something NC related, Mario would have to be stupid, because the Mario of NC is as dull as a sack of hammers.

And if that was supposed to be a parody you fail at that too. It wasn't clear, and we've already got enough crap comics around here without people adding more crap comics just for the sake of making fun of crap comics.

Metal Man · 08-06-2005, 03:23 PM

Get your own topic, please? I mean, I know my topic generated some comments, but that doesn't mean I want random people posting their comics in it.

Alph · 08-06-2005, 03:37 PM

Wow. Harsh crowd.

Specifically Glyph. I think he might be angry at the fact that things go over his head.

[ August 06, 2005, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Alph ]

Glyph Phoenix · 08-06-2005, 11:22 PM

Yes. Because PWNTzooka was such a brilliant joke, I must simply be too stupid and backwards to understand it.

Alph · 08-07-2005, 12:33 AM

What I was referring to was your statement about the match not clearly being a parody. It seemed to me that Mario being out of character(along with the comments he makes), the use of such a lame opponent (that they never actually mention by name), the lame battleground, and the announcer's comments [about Mario getting so much screentime, the Deathmatches being lame lately, and the fact that deathmatches are so scarce], should all make it obvious enough that the match is not to be taken seriously. Also, it would not be much of a parody if I had changed the style so as to not mimmick NC. In fact, if I HAD made own style, this match WOULD have sucked. There was no real fighting. Just an exchange of dialogue and a slapstick ending.

If you don't think the things I poke fun at are founded in truth, then look at the last deathmatch. The last real deathmatch was three years ago. After that, we got an April fools joke about 2 noobs, an NC short about 2 sacks of potatoes, and a cameo scene in NC/SSS crossover mach 2 about Mario and a rock. The Deathmatch section of the site has truly gone downhill and my comments about it are perfectly well-founded.

So that fact remains that everything DID go over your head, because you failed to notice what I had actually intended to express. Whethor that be my fault or your own does not really matter, and there is no point in getting emotional about it. But since you focus much of your attention on the "pwntzooka"(which could have been any weapon and the point of the comix would still remain the the same) and the fact that Mario should be talking about muffins(which I admit is funny in a normal NC context), I am left assuming that you missed what the actual joke was supposed to be.

Also, the reason I put it in this topic is due to the fact that, in short, this comix was made in response to the match at the beginning of this thread. Or at least, it was inspired by it, although it parodies the "Deathmatch" in general.

[ August 07, 2005, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: Alph ]

Glyph Phoenix · 08-07-2005, 12:57 AM

Don't make crap in order to parody other crap,because then we just get more crap. And we've seen such filth that it's impossible to compare honest attempts with stuff so bad it's a joke.

While deathmatches are often crappy they are good learning tools; they are simple and yet when done right they can be funny and entertaining.

Also, you need a new thread. This one is Metal Man's.

[ August 07, 2005, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: Glyph Phoenix ]

07-29-2005, 05:22 AM	#7
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,557.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,057.00 Donate	First you should get Photoshop. Jay can do without, but Jay's a pro. But Photoshop just makes things go along faster, since you can use layers and things. See if you can use Limewire or something to get it. (Just make sure you don't get a virus instead!) But that's just a helper. As you have seen, you don't need Photoshop to be funny. Well, if you're making deathmatches I guess that's not such a bad place to start out. They're simple and any mistakes you make should be easily caught, so I'll start with giving you some tips on those. </font> No gore. This is NC. The only one who thought gore would be a good idea would be Sean Kelly but he's not funny so he doesn't count.</font> There is an amazing thing about funny. If a joke is good enough you'll laugh, and if a joke is bad you won't, but if a joke is really really bad it might be so stupid it's funny again. If you're going to do a stupid joke don't just stop at stupid, try and make that joke so stupid it's funny again. You should have done that with shoes.</font> You need interesting opponents. 3-way between Mario and Luigi and Wario or Peach and Pauline and Daisy are not new but they leave open many a possibility, while other things like Wart vs. Ridley are just... bizarre. And funny. Putting yourself as an opponent is just kinda stupid.</font> Keep in mind that you can basically do whatever you want in your deathmatch. And if you go nuts and change the whole thing or make cameos by characters for no reason, that's fine... in fact, if you can make it funny, I encourage it. Just make sure not to make something stupid unless it's stupid-funny.</font> Also, why are you worried about artistic things anyway? This is NC. If you look at the encyclopedia under "funny but not good looking" you'll find a picture of Jay.

07-27-2005, 07:59 PM	#1
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,701 Thanks: 74 Thanked 190 Times in 130 Posts Points: 8,069.89 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,069.89 Donate	All right! Here's my own spinoff of the Deathmatches Jay used to do. As such, the background and Fred came from Jay's site. I modified the Metal Man sprite myself, though the basic Metal Man sprite, the feather from SMW, and the Protoman scarf came from Sprites Inc, Shyguy Kingdom, and Sprites Inc respectively. I've already talked with Jay about comix before, so don't assume I intend to steal his ideas. Now then! The comix.

07-27-2005, 08:42 PM	#2
RMC Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix, NY Posts: 1,129 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 9,753.05 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,253.05 Donate	Besides the crappy usage of the spray tool and lack luster gore, not bad.

07-27-2005, 08:44 PM	#3
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,701 Thanks: 74 Thanked 190 Times in 130 Posts Points: 8,069.89 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,069.89 Donate	Ah. Well, that's quite an improvement over melting people's eyes. Thanks for your opinion.

07-27-2005, 10:16 PM	#4
Chunky Kong12345 BEEP BEEP I'M A JEEP Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ogmftwbqq Gender: Posts: 16,419 Thanks: 61 Thanked 210 Times in 153 Posts Points: 2,477.95 Bank: 82,146.48 Total Points: 84,624.43 Donate	Technically, Joe, that's what Jay does.

07-27-2005, 11:29 PM	#5
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,557.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,057.00 Donate	Eh. It's not that funny, but then again I expected much worse. The shoes part was quite bad... they were multicolored and he's still wearing shoes even after he threw 4 of them at Fred. But then again there were parts that weren't bad, like "Nothing bad has ever happened after eating tacos!" and the sign falling down. It's not NC quality... well, not the kind of quality we have now. Maybe back when. But even then, this one was kinda short while Jay's were longer and really gave you your.... deathmatches... worth. You know what I mean. Edit: Well, some of them, anyway. Ones like Kamek vs. Magus were pretty sucky. [ July 27, 2005, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: Glyph Phoenix ]

07-28-2005, 03:30 PM	#6
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,701 Thanks: 74 Thanked 190 Times in 130 Posts Points: 8,069.89 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,069.89 Donate	Besides that, what suggestions/tips can you give me? Like better fire, gore, jokes, etc; I can see that I've managed to hit a threshold where, with some help, I could do something that actually was a full on comic, although a simple and small one. Teach me! I mean, Jay pretty much started out and did everything on his own, but my ability is like that only with computer-related stuff. Artistic things, I require information from other people.

07-29-2005, 12:02 PM	#8
Jonathan Resop Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 34,085.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 34,585.00 Donate	Heh. Yeah. That about sums me up. But try not to be too hard on the guy. It's just his first Deathmatch. I mean...look at my first Deathmatch. Yoshi vs Kirby? What the heck was that? And yeah, I don't know what I was smoking with the whole Wart vs Ripley thing.-jay

07-29-2005, 02:41 PM	#9
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,701 Thanks: 74 Thanked 190 Times in 130 Posts Points: 8,069.89 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,069.89 Donate	That final slide there was supposed to be fire, actually. Just that technical difficulties (cough accidentally saving over previous frames cough) caused me to neglect it. I think there's photoshop laying around somewhere this house, although paint.net can also do a variety of things. However, I didna realize that a good portion of a deathmatch's funniness was that it had ridiculous matchups. I'll experiment with these suggestions for the next comic.

08-04-2005, 06:49 PM	#10
Alph Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MWAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!ha. Gender: Posts: 1,294 Thanks: 21 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,880.64 Bank: 729.69 Total Points: 13,610.33 Donate	I wonder if I should ever try my hand at making a deathmatch. I think I could do a few characters justice...

08-04-2005, 08:14 PM	#11
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,557.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,057.00 Donate	Hey, now. Match ups matter, but they don't have to be ridiculous. Bowser vs. Wart vs. Wario was funny and those were three bad guys from the same series.

08-04-2005, 11:22 PM	#12
Alph Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MWAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!ha. Gender: Posts: 1,294 Thanks: 21 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,880.64 Bank: 729.69 Total Points: 13,610.33 Donate	[deleted at the request of Metal man] [ August 07, 2005, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: Alph ]

08-05-2005, 06:10 PM	#13
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,557.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,057.00 Donate	You didn't even get Mario's personality right. Mario likes muffins. That's all. Even contemplating something like "nobody will notice if I use the wrong 'too'" is a bit much for him. You can try and change the character all you like in your own comic ... but if you're not going to make Mario the muffin-loving, poodle-buttering, rock and oxygen fighting idiot that he is don't make a deathmatch. I guess having him talk in third person at the beginning was okay, it sounded like him. And that is saying nothing of the other junk you did. The PWNTzooka sucks. It's not funny. If you're going to do a ripoff of the Deathzooka the least you could have done is did the thing where Jay crosses out existing words and writes something else (in your case, PWNT). It may seem lazy, but it sets the tone for future laziness and it's kinda poking fun at how sprites rip each other off and just wacky in general. And cursing? Gah. Nobody curses in NC because it's not funny and it's not appropriate. I guess there's an occasional word here or there, but it's never anything big and they're always spaced out, unlike this crapfest here. Having the text outside the box was a mistake for Jay, and you had to make it even worse by putting it in the image... which really sucks. Clever splitting of the image would have eliminated the need for that. Now, on the other hand, "In what we can only assume is a running animation" was a pretty good line. Well, what do you know. That appears to be just about the only good thing about this deathmatch.

08-06-2005, 11:46 AM	#14
Alph Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MWAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!ha. Gender: Posts: 1,294 Thanks: 21 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,880.64 Bank: 729.69 Total Points: 13,610.33 Donate	It's funny that you complained about Mario's personality, because that was all about Non-NC Mario complaining about the image NC has given him, so your complaint sorta proves his argument right. The rest was just a parody of the sad state deathmatches are in right now. The other stuff...like the frames not being split...yup that was laziness. Oh well. [ August 06, 2005, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Alph ]

08-06-2005, 02:20 PM	#15
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,557.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,057.00 Donate	"Sorta proves his argument right"? Your failed attempt at rational thought sickens me. NC is a comic, and Mario is a character. He is a very stupid character. If you want to make a comic where Mario is a very smart character, you are free to do so. But if you're going to make something NC related, Mario would have to be stupid, because the Mario of NC is as dull as a sack of hammers. And if that was supposed to be a parody you fail at that too. It wasn't clear, and we've already got enough crap comics around here without people adding more crap comics just for the sake of making fun of crap comics.

08-06-2005, 03:23 PM	#16
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,701 Thanks: 74 Thanked 190 Times in 130 Posts Points: 8,069.89 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,069.89 Donate	Get your own topic, please? I mean, I know my topic generated some comments, but that doesn't mean I want random people posting their comics in it.

08-06-2005, 03:37 PM	#17
Alph Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MWAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!ha. Gender: Posts: 1,294 Thanks: 21 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,880.64 Bank: 729.69 Total Points: 13,610.33 Donate	Wow. Harsh crowd. Specifically Glyph. I think he might be angry at the fact that things go over his head. [ August 06, 2005, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Alph ]

08-06-2005, 11:22 PM	#18
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,557.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,057.00 Donate	Yes. Because PWNTzooka was such a brilliant joke, I must simply be too stupid and backwards to understand it.

08-07-2005, 12:33 AM	#19
Alph Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MWAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!ha. Gender: Posts: 1,294 Thanks: 21 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,880.64 Bank: 729.69 Total Points: 13,610.33 Donate	What I was referring to was your statement about the match not clearly being a parody. It seemed to me that Mario being out of character(along with the comments he makes), the use of such a lame opponent (that they never actually mention by name), the lame battleground, and the announcer's comments [about Mario getting so much screentime, the Deathmatches being lame lately, and the fact that deathmatches are so scarce], should all make it obvious enough that the match is not to be taken seriously. Also, it would not be much of a parody if I had changed the style so as to not mimmick NC. In fact, if I HAD made own style, this match WOULD have sucked. There was no real fighting. Just an exchange of dialogue and a slapstick ending. If you don't think the things I poke fun at are founded in truth, then look at the last deathmatch. The last real deathmatch was three years ago. After that, we got an April fools joke about 2 noobs, an NC short about 2 sacks of potatoes, and a cameo scene in NC/SSS crossover mach 2 about Mario and a rock. The Deathmatch section of the site has truly gone downhill and my comments about it are perfectly well-founded. So that fact remains that everything DID go over your head, because you failed to notice what I had actually intended to express. Whethor that be my fault or your own does not really matter, and there is no point in getting emotional about it. But since you focus much of your attention on the "pwntzooka"(which could have been any weapon and the point of the comix would still remain the the same) and the fact that Mario should be talking about muffins(which I admit is funny in a normal NC context), I am left assuming that you missed what the actual joke was supposed to be. Also, the reason I put it in this topic is due to the fact that, in short, this comix was made in response to the match at the beginning of this thread. Or at least, it was inspired by it, although it parodies the "Deathmatch" in general. [ August 07, 2005, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: Alph ]

08-07-2005, 12:57 AM	#20
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,557.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,057.00 Donate	Don't make crap in order to parody other crap,because then we just get more crap. And we've seen such filth that it's impossible to compare honest attempts with stuff so bad it's a joke. While deathmatches are often crappy they are good learning tools; they are simple and yet when done right they can be funny and entertaining. Also, you need a new thread. This one is Metal Man's. [ August 07, 2005, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: Glyph Phoenix ]