Forum Overhaul

**Dylan** · 07-13-2009, 11:54 AM

Recently, the admins and I have discussed redesigning (and possibly relocating) the forum to focus more on hand-drawn comics, with less emphasis on spriting.

Of course, spriting will still be allowed, but the forum will focus primarily on comics done by hand, be it pen & paper or on a tablet. Please let me know what you think of the idea, and if you have any suggestions, please post them.

Valigarmander · 07-13-2009, 12:35 PM

I think we need a spriting forum. If the change meant this wouldn't be a spriting forum anymore, then no.

Otherwise... why not? Maybe I'd post something hand-drawn.

Metal Man · 07-13-2009, 12:55 PM

Changing this forum to non-sprite would involve destroying most of the current topics and then relocating the forum outside of the SMBHQ classification.

I'd suggest you make a separate forum for non-spriting instead. Otherwise, your proposal should be rewritten to be "We don't want to see anymore sprite comics."

Since otherwise if you allow them in the new forum, then you'll go through all this work only to then encounter... the same topics you said you were moving away from, since a large portion of the people in this forum only sprite.

So, while it is a good idea to separate this forum from is SMBHQ category, and perhaps to encourage something other than spriting, I believe you'd get more done if you had a non-spriting comic forum (if there really is demand for such) and then put this one alongside it in the art area.

Since after all, sprites aren't exclusive to SMBHQ, are they?

Redshirt · 07-13-2009, 01:03 PM

Why change it? I thought this forum was for all comics, it just that people get here from NC.

Microphone_Kirby · 07-13-2009, 01:28 PM

Edit: Nevermind

Spritedude · 07-13-2009, 03:09 PM

I agree with Metal Man, we should just have a new forum for hand-drawn comics, and keep this one for spriting and sprite comics.

HippieLand · 07-13-2009, 04:01 PM

But the Sprites and Comics are practically the same thing! Sprites are used to make comics.

Spritedude · 07-13-2009, 04:11 PM

^Yes, but sprite and hand drawn comics are so different, they should have different forums. Plus, people also post custom sprite work here, not just comics.

In other words, we should have two different forums. One forum for anything that has to do with sprites, wether it be custom sprite work, or sprite comics, and another forum for hand drawn comics.

X-3 · 07-13-2009, 04:58 PM

I like the idea of making it a Comic forum that supports any style. "Works" such as sprite-creating could go into a child board.

Approved. Which isn't big or anything, I barely come here.

Trainbreaker · 07-14-2009, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritedude

I agree with Metal Man, we should just have a new forum for hand-drawn comics, and keep this one for spriting and sprite comics.

This.

Invalid Username · 07-14-2009, 12:09 PM

I agree with MM.

Black Belt Tazy · 07-14-2009, 12:15 PM

The only thing I can see coming out of this is for more drawing topics, really.

I mean, don't we have the Art and Literature Forums? ]

:/

t3hDarkness · 07-17-2009, 12:28 AM

Will it be less garish?

Metal Man · 07-23-2009, 03:29 AM

Looks like the overhaul has been officially voted off the island.

Of course, that wouldn't stop it from potentially happening.

**Loot the Orphan Shover** · 07-23-2009, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Man

Changing this forum to non-sprite would involve destroying most of the current topics and then relocating the forum outside of the SMBHQ classification.

I'd suggest you make a separate forum for non-spriting instead. Otherwise, your proposal should be rewritten to be "We don't want to see anymore sprite comics."

Since otherwise if you allow them in the new forum, then you'll go through all this work only to then encounter... the same topics you said you were moving away from, since a large portion of the people in this forum only sprite.

So, while it is a good idea to separate this forum from is SMBHQ category, and perhaps to encourage something other than spriting, I believe you'd get more done if you had a non-spriting comic forum (if there really is demand for such) and then put this one alongside it in the art area.

Since after all, sprites aren't exclusive to SMBHQ, are they?

A year ago, activity was pretty decent for VGF standards.

Right now, I see topics from last year still on the first page.

Let's go with Dylan's plan.

Yeah! Dylan's plan! Way to be supportive, Loot!

Metal Man · 07-23-2009, 11:00 PM

But by your logic, there also isn't enough interest in non-sprite comics to give them a forum either.

At least, I haven't seen a single topic for one anywhere on VGF.

If you go by activity alone, the most reasonable option would be removing the entire forum altogether--for you could fit the 0-1 non-sprite comics out there in the art forum all by itself.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 07-23-2009, 11:43 PM

The plan wouldn't be to remove spriting from the forum entirely, just to make this place welcome for all comic-ing (which it really isn't right now). No, we're not having multiple comic-related forums just to pander to spriters, so you can cease suggesting it.

Long story short is, the Admins have already approved the inclusion of regular comics (ie. daily newspaper comics, hand drawn, webcomics, photo comics, etc) in this forum, if that's where Dylan wishes to take it. While the Art, Lit and Writing forum is technically perfectly appropriate for your own personal comics, it's certainly more reasonable for our existing comic forum to encompass all comic styles (and that way, discussions about other people's work and professional comic art can also be included).

So. Instead of just dismissing the idea outright, I'd like to hear the opposition's concerns about a change to the forum. With the knowledge that sprite work and other forms of comics will be actively encouraged to live side-by-side in the "revamped" forum, what objections do you guys have, exactly?

Basically, what I'm asking is, are you objecting because you feel you're being chased out of the forum (which is not the case), or because of another problem?

Invalid Username · 07-23-2009, 11:44 PM

^ Now that sounds cool. An overall comics forum would be great.

Redshirt · 07-24-2009, 12:13 AM

Still don't see how the forum is only for sprite comics right now.

Metal Man · 07-24-2009, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

are you objecting because you feel you're being chased out of the forum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan

Recently, the admins and I have discussed redesigning (and possibly relocating) the forum to focus more on hand-drawn comics, with less emphasis on spriting.

Of course, spriting will still be allowed, but the forum will focus primarily on comics done by hand, be it pen & paper or on a tablet.

If what you say is true, SD, then Dylan's words should be... clarified. See, I have no problem with non-sprite comics appearing in this forum, but I and a bunch of people do have a problem with them being proclaimed the main focus of this forum.

So if the proposal is actually more of a 50-50 split, then, there is no real problem with it from me, or probably from the other people.

It's just that Dylan's language suggested to me and several others that spriters would be treated as second-class citizens and encouraged to post their sprite work elsewhere to make room for the other comics. Probably an honest mistake on his part, then?

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07-13-2009, 11:54 AM	#1
Dylan Banned Mod Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 7,411 Thanks: 1,500 Thanked 1,611 Times in 694 Posts Points: 80,049.79 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 80,049.80 Donate	Forum Overhaul Recently, the admins and I have discussed redesigning (and possibly relocating) the forum to focus more on hand-drawn comics, with less emphasis on spriting. Of course, spriting will still be allowed, but the forum will focus primarily on comics done by hand, be it pen & paper or on a tablet. Please let me know what you think of the idea, and if you have any suggestions, please post them.

07-13-2009, 12:35 PM	#2
Valigarmander Better than you. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 22,060 Thanks: 1,350 Thanked 3,716 Times in 1,672 Posts Points: 6,163.44 Bank: 26,040,876.19 Total Points: 26,047,039.63 Donate	I think we need a spriting forum. If the change meant this wouldn't be a spriting forum anymore, then no. Otherwise... why not? Maybe I'd post something hand-drawn. __________________ This is a signature.

07-13-2009, 01:28 PM	#5
Microphone_Kirby Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: None of your business. Gender: Posts: 6,186 Thanks: 416 Thanked 202 Times in 162 Posts Blog Entries: 19 Points: 9,024.76 Bank: 2,451,276.35 Total Points: 2,460,301.11 Donate	Edit: Nevermind Last edited by Microphone_Kirby; 07-13-2009 at 01:30 PM. Reason: Something stupid...

07-13-2009, 12:55 PM	#3
Metal Man Cheapskate Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Shane is the king of Monopoly! Gender: Posts: 13,796 Thanks: 125 Thanked 600 Times in 421 Posts Points: 5,282.18 Bank: 142,880.63 Total Points: 148,162.81 Donate	Changing this forum to non-sprite would involve destroying most of the current topics and then relocating the forum outside of the SMBHQ classification. I'd suggest you make a separate forum for non-spriting instead. Otherwise, your proposal should be rewritten to be "We don't want to see anymore sprite comics." Since otherwise if you allow them in the new forum, then you'll go through all this work only to then encounter... the same topics you said you were moving away from, since a large portion of the people in this forum only sprite. So, while it is a good idea to separate this forum from is SMBHQ category, and perhaps to encourage something other than spriting, I believe you'd get more done if you had a non-spriting comic forum (if there really is demand for such) and then put this one alongside it in the art area. Since after all, sprites aren't exclusive to SMBHQ, are they?

07-13-2009, 01:03 PM	#4
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07-13-2009, 03:09 PM	#6
Spritedude Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Centennial State Gender: Posts: 1,157 Thanks: 30 Thanked 58 Times in 36 Posts Points: 4,809.11 Bank: 1,346,848.18 Total Points: 1,351,657.29 Donate	I agree with Metal Man, we should just have a new forum for hand-drawn comics, and keep this one for spriting and sprite comics.

07-13-2009, 04:01 PM	#7
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07-13-2009, 04:11 PM	#8
Spritedude Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Centennial State Gender: Posts: 1,157 Thanks: 30 Thanked 58 Times in 36 Posts Points: 4,809.11 Bank: 1,346,848.18 Total Points: 1,351,657.29 Donate	^Yes, but sprite and hand drawn comics are so different, they should have different forums. Plus, people also post custom sprite work here, not just comics. In other words, we should have two different forums. One forum for anything that has to do with sprites, wether it be custom sprite work, or sprite comics, and another forum for hand drawn comics.

07-13-2009, 04:58 PM	#9
X-3 Empty Mage Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Omega Superduper Ultra Land that Sucks Gender: Posts: 12,882 Thanks: 537 Thanked 758 Times in 529 Posts Blog Entries: 10 Points: 41,970.57 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 41,970.57 Donate	I like the idea of making it a Comic forum that supports any style. "Works" such as sprite-creating could go into a child board. Approved. Which isn't big or anything, I barely come here.

07-14-2009, 12:09 PM	#11
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07-14-2009, 12:15 PM	#12
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07-17-2009, 12:28 AM	#13
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07-23-2009, 03:29 AM	#14
Metal Man Cheapskate Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Shane is the king of Monopoly! Gender: Posts: 13,796 Thanks: 125 Thanked 600 Times in 421 Posts Points: 5,282.18 Bank: 142,880.63 Total Points: 148,162.81 Donate	Looks like the overhaul has been officially voted off the island. Of course, that wouldn't stop it from potentially happening.

07-23-2009, 11:00 PM	#16
Metal Man Cheapskate Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Shane is the king of Monopoly! Gender: Posts: 13,796 Thanks: 125 Thanked 600 Times in 421 Posts Points: 5,282.18 Bank: 142,880.63 Total Points: 148,162.81 Donate	But by your logic, there also isn't enough interest in non-sprite comics to give them a forum either. At least, I haven't seen a single topic for one anywhere on VGF. If you go by activity alone, the most reasonable option would be removing the entire forum altogether--for you could fit the 0-1 non-sprite comics out there in the art forum all by itself.

07-23-2009, 11:43 PM	#17
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 26,508 Thanks: 931 Thanked 1,169 Times in 739 Posts Points: 9,676.81 Bank: 27,770,852.34 Total Points: 27,780,529.15 Donate	The plan wouldn't be to remove spriting from the forum entirely, just to make this place welcome for all comic-ing (which it really isn't right now). No, we're not having multiple comic-related forums just to pander to spriters, so you can cease suggesting it. Long story short is, the Admins have already approved the inclusion of regular comics (ie. daily newspaper comics, hand drawn, webcomics, photo comics, etc) in this forum, if that's where Dylan wishes to take it. While the Art, Lit and Writing forum is technically perfectly appropriate for your own personal comics, it's certainly more reasonable for our existing comic forum to encompass all comic styles (and that way, discussions about other people's work and professional comic art can also be included). So. Instead of just dismissing the idea outright, I'd like to hear the opposition's concerns about a change to the forum. With the knowledge that sprite work and other forms of comics will be actively encouraged to live side-by-side in the "revamped" forum, what objections do you guys have, exactly? Basically, what I'm asking is, are you objecting because you feel you're being chased out of the forum (which is not the case), or because of another problem?

07-23-2009, 11:44 PM	#18
Invalid Username Refresh your page and try again. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 404 file not found Gender: Posts: 15,401 Thanks: 771 Thanked 771 Times in 587 Posts Blog Entries: 8 Points: 39,692.54 Bank: 998,653.64 Total Points: 1,038,346.18 Donate	^ Now that sounds cool. An overall comics forum would be great.

07-24-2009, 12:13 AM	#19
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