Spore.

Prince Toad · 06-24-2008, 09:59 AM

Trial

God, I love this thing. Endless amusement creating horrible monsters. You can't do a whole lot with them and there aren't that many parts, but it still rules.

Oh, and don't make anything too dirty and put it online. My friend did and they banned him for a week. Just a heads-up.

Panfan · 06-28-2008, 10:19 PM

I downloaded the Creature Creator trial version today.

It's pretty cool even with the trial. I'm definitely going to buy the full (Creature Creator only just because it's $10)

I'll show you my two creations tomorrow (A generic monster and DEEP CROW from Penny Arcade) when I get all the colors down.

**NintendoNut** · 06-29-2008, 07:00 AM

I downloaded the free creature creator last week. It looks its going to be a very fun game, I must say.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 06-29-2008, 05:11 PM

I don't have too much faith in a game this open ended. I hate GTA for example...

**LASER BEAR ASSAULT UNIT** · 06-29-2008, 07:37 PM

I got the full version today *grin* We should all post our creations or something.

**NintendoNut** · 06-30-2008, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

I don't have too much faith in a game this open ended. I hate GTA for example...

I love these sorts of games. The idea of them is taking a creation that you created almost entirely from scratch and you guide it through life, and you get addicted to these sorts of games, like The Sims, World of Warcraft, the whole Tycoon series and perhaps to a lesser extent GTA.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 06-30-2008, 12:18 PM

I still don't think that these games have any longevity beyond the initial experience.

Prince Toad · 06-30-2008, 03:56 PM

(Merged.)

^How's that? Open-endedness is probably the single greatest factor in determining replay value. Games like the Sims have nearly limitless replay, because you can go about playing it so many different ways.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 06-30-2008, 04:11 PM

It is merely a giant game with lots of boring options, the Sims is, IMO, retarded...I think the complete lack of structure is very unappealing. I like me some options but not just for options sake.

Robotazy · 06-30-2008, 04:32 PM

Alot of people like pointless Options

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 06-30-2008, 04:42 PM

True, some people like options despite any actual purpose. Besides fun anyway.

Robotazy · 06-30-2008, 04:58 PM

That is probably what the main problem will be in this generation.

You get to do whatever you want, but with no reason for it, other than sheer giggles.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 06-30-2008, 05:01 PM

Look at WarioWare, that's just a giggle fest.

Rainbow Dash · 06-30-2008, 09:34 PM

You're telling me you wouldn't love being able to speed around in a UFO destroying planets with a Death Star beam.

Jesus · 07-01-2008, 11:14 PM

Click to view video.

This creature pwns.

I'm wondering how advanced the evolution of your animals can get like will they build cities and stuff? I've seen the tribes but I haven't heard anything yet about the cities and smarter intelligence.

IRHP, maybe the reason you got bored with the sims so quickly is because you cheated. This is just a maybe, but cheating in that game was the one thing that took away the longevity for the games, not the open-endedness itself. I fail to see how open-endedness alone can bring down longevity of a game. This game is also supposed to have expansion packs (how I have no clue).

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 07-06-2008, 04:28 PM

I didn't cheat, I just don't think that if my Sim sleeps on a bed or collapses on the ground exausted, presumably from all the hot tubbing, matters much. To me, it's a lazy development strategy to call meaningless options true gameplay...

Prince Toad · 07-06-2008, 11:02 PM

Okay, a few things.

First: you didn't watch that Spore clip that came out a while ago? Your creatures end up exploring and fighting on a galactic scale. It goes way beyond the tribal stuff, at least two or three tiers.

Second: maybe you can't "win" a game like the Sims, but that doesn't mean it's totally pointless. Maybe you have to set your own goals-- for example, getting to the last tier of the career track-- but what's wrong with that? And you know when you're "doing well" or "doing poorly," even if there's no definite objective. If your Sim's mood meter is totally in the red, you're screwing up. Or, say, if everybody moved out of your SimCity and you're bankrupt without any chance of recovery, you've screwed up. These games are about playing them, not necessarily winning them.

Besides, you can sort of "win" each tier of Spore by reaching the next tier. Maybe the last tier is a total sandbox, but I'm not sure. I think you're still doing the same kind of galactic diplomacy/warfare thing, there's just no next tier to reach.

Third: WarioWare is a kickass party game. No one will tell me otherwise. And single-player was fun for a while too. Plus there is tons and tons of **** to do and unlock, some of which is actually worth it.

Fourth: What do you mean, "besides fun?" Isn't that what most games are about? (Unless you're CK, in which case I don't want to have this argument with you because that was awful.)

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 07-07-2008, 06:13 PM

Games are supposed to fun. Sure. But where does this fun come from? It's different for everyone. Mindlessly mashing buttons or repetitive tasks aren't my idea of fun, or at least not for long.

I am not saying it's a bad game or anything from these sandbox games are, I just don't expect much from them besides the same old infinite repitition...multiplayer saves such titles but that's it for me.

Rainbow Dash · 07-07-2008, 06:40 PM

There's supposedly a goal to reach the quasar in the center of the galaxy, but you have to fight through a race (the same race in all games) called the Grobb to get to it.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 07-07-2008, 06:42 PM

That sounds pretty neat...if that's the ultimate goal, the evolution of said creatures would have purpose. I don't care if they're just happy all the time and I gotta keep 'em that way just 'cause. =D

06-24-2008, 09:59 AM	#1
Prince Toad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,720 Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 56 Posts	Spore Creature Creator Trial! Trial God, I love this thing. Endless amusement creating horrible monsters. You can't do a whole lot with them and there aren't that many parts, but it still rules. Oh, and don't make anything too dirty and put it online. My friend did and they banned him for a week. Just a heads-up.

06-28-2008, 10:19 PM	#2
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,802 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,247 Times in 1,337 Posts Blog Entries: 15	Spore. I downloaded the Creature Creator trial version today. It's pretty cool even with the trial. I'm definitely going to buy the full (Creature Creator only just because it's $10) I'll show you my two creations tomorrow (A generic monster and DEEP CROW from Penny Arcade) when I get all the colors down.

06-30-2008, 04:32 PM	#10
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	You want to use your character's beard to substitute actual clothing? OK! Alot of people like pointless Options

06-29-2008, 07:00 AM	#3
NintendoNut PC Games and Tech Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hold on, I know this..... Gender: Posts: 8,655 Thanks: 108 Thanked 85 Times in 56 Posts	I downloaded the free creature creator last week. It looks its going to be a very fun game, I must say.

06-29-2008, 05:11 PM	#4
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I don't have too much faith in a game this open ended. I hate GTA for example...

06-29-2008, 07:37 PM	#5
LASER BEAR ASSAULT UNIT Videos Mod Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In my pants Gender: Posts: 4,613 Thanks: 2,501 Thanked 767 Times in 422 Posts	I got the full version today grin We should all post our creations or something.

06-30-2008, 12:18 PM	#7
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I still don't think that these games have any longevity beyond the initial experience.

06-30-2008, 03:56 PM	#8
Prince Toad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,720 Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 56 Posts	(Merged.) ^How's that? Open-endedness is probably the single greatest factor in determining replay value. Games like the Sims have nearly limitless replay, because you can go about playing it so many different ways.

06-30-2008, 04:11 PM	#9
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	It is merely a giant game with lots of boring options, the Sims is, IMO, retarded...I think the complete lack of structure is very unappealing. I like me some options but not just for options sake.

06-30-2008, 04:42 PM	#11
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	True, some people like options despite any actual purpose. Besides fun anyway.

06-30-2008, 04:58 PM	#12
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	That is probably what the main problem will be in this generation. You get to do whatever you want, but with no reason for it, other than sheer giggles.

06-30-2008, 05:01 PM	#13
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Look at WarioWare, that's just a giggle fest.

06-30-2008, 09:34 PM	#14
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,396 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	You're telling me you wouldn't love being able to speed around in a UFO destroying planets with a Death Star beam.

07-06-2008, 04:28 PM	#16
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I didn't cheat, I just don't think that if my Sim sleeps on a bed or collapses on the ground exausted, presumably from all the hot tubbing, matters much. To me, it's a lazy development strategy to call meaningless options true gameplay...

07-06-2008, 11:02 PM	#17
Prince Toad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,720 Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 56 Posts	Okay, a few things. First: you didn't watch that Spore clip that came out a while ago? Your creatures end up exploring and fighting on a galactic scale. It goes way beyond the tribal stuff, at least two or three tiers. Second: maybe you can't "win" a game like the Sims, but that doesn't mean it's totally pointless. Maybe you have to set your own goals-- for example, getting to the last tier of the career track-- but what's wrong with that? And you know when you're "doing well" or "doing poorly," even if there's no definite objective. If your Sim's mood meter is totally in the red, you're screwing up. Or, say, if everybody moved out of your SimCity and you're bankrupt without any chance of recovery, you've screwed up. These games are about playing them, not necessarily winning them. Besides, you can sort of "win" each tier of Spore by reaching the next tier. Maybe the last tier is a total sandbox, but I'm not sure. I think you're still doing the same kind of galactic diplomacy/warfare thing, there's just no next tier to reach. Third: WarioWare is a kickass party game. No one will tell me otherwise. And single-player was fun for a while too. Plus there is tons and tons of **** to do and unlock, some of which is actually worth it. Fourth: What do you mean, "besides fun?" Isn't that what most games are about? (Unless you're CK, in which case I don't want to have this argument with you because that was awful.)

07-07-2008, 06:13 PM	#18
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Games are supposed to fun. Sure. But where does this fun come from? It's different for everyone. Mindlessly mashing buttons or repetitive tasks aren't my idea of fun, or at least not for long. I am not saying it's a bad game or anything from these sandbox games are, I just don't expect much from them besides the same old infinite repitition...multiplayer saves such titles but that's it for me.

07-07-2008, 06:40 PM	#19
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,396 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	There's supposedly a goal to reach the quasar in the center of the galaxy, but you have to fight through a race (the same race in all games) called the Grobb to get to it.

07-07-2008, 06:42 PM	#20
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	That sounds pretty neat...if that's the ultimate goal, the evolution of said creatures would have purpose. I don't care if they're just happy all the time and I gotta keep 'em that way just 'cause. =D