Bans from websites

Jesus · 08-14-2010, 09:47 PM

We all know you can do a ban from an IP address. This, however, can be spoofed. We know you can ban a MAC address. This too, can be spoofed. Is there technology in today's world to allow us to go through proxies and spoofed addresses to still throw up a ban? I'm wondering because I have noticed people exploiting hiding behind proxies and such to bypass the ban. Any computer techies would probably know better than me. Basically asking if you can still track the person's true address through it's fake address in order to keep a ban alive.

Glux · 08-14-2010, 09:54 PM

ISP ban?

Metal Man · 08-15-2010, 01:18 AM

If you are crafty you can exploit their browser string and ban based on that.

Otherwise, no.

***Cosmonautical*** · 08-15-2010, 03:52 AM

It's called recognition. Essentially, we can cross-reference your style to what we already know. There are a large amount of accounts I've banned before they've been reported. I'd recite behavioral cues, but that would just make it more difficult for myself.

Besides, trolls are usually idiots by default, hence their behavior. They don't use proxies here even 10% of the time, or if they do they have to use one close-to-home to get any decent latency on their connection. That in itself is a cue to who's who.

If you don't mind wasting a lot of time, though, you can compile information to report a repeat offender to their parent ISP to blacklist them. They'll get a warning first, but if they're reported again they'll essentially be personally banned from all major services. Of course, that doesn't stop them from going to an internet cafe or library, but are you really going to go that far out of your way just to troll some forums?

I've been admin at a few forums, anyway, and I at one point personally looked over every new account registering at my forum. We used to do that at VGF. It's an effective trump.

Metal Man · 08-15-2010, 04:14 AM

Well, yes. As an admin at other sites I can also spot trolls from far away. You tend to get good at it if a large amount of them are banging down the gates; they have these speech patterns which become repetitive over time.

***Ace Mercury*** · 08-15-2010, 10:53 AM

So... why do you ask?

Sim Kid · 08-15-2010, 11:27 AM

Boy, I remember people using like AOHell complaining about getting random bans because people like Lupus were trolling. >.<;; I don't know if this still happens, though, it was at least 4-6 years ago I remember people complaining about this problem on WikiP and other forums that were plagued by people like that.

And in RO. They banned you by IP.

***Ace Mercury*** · 08-15-2010, 12:15 PM

^ Reminds me of this site which would ban entire countries by IP block. "Argentina's being a dick; so long and thanks for all the trolls."

Fairlight Excalibur · 08-15-2010, 01:54 PM

^And if the offender is from the server's home country?

"Crud, I banned my own website."

Sim Kid · 08-15-2010, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace Mercury

^ Reminds me of this site which would ban entire countries by IP block. "Argentina's being a dick; so long and thanks for all the trolls."

I remember Wikipedia had a section about advice for chinese people.

***Ace Mercury*** · 08-15-2010, 08:29 PM

^ About the Great Firewall of China? Or just stuff like how to grow bok choy and comparing prices on straw hats?

Jesus · 08-15-2010, 10:01 PM

I have found there to be certain people who no matter how we try to impose bans he keeps popping up. I live for the day we are able to track a person through spoofed addresses. Unfortunately I cannot say why I ask the question (and no, i am not one who wants to spoof my address) due to legal issues that are rising on other sites, but it seems like with the technological advances, we are doomed to rising and smarter cybercrime. I have not found a solution to track someone down legitimately, and I asked here kind of as a last resort to see if anyone knew of something I didn't already know.

***Cosmonautical*** · 08-17-2010, 06:07 AM

Well, a better solution is a DoS attack, IMO. Don't quote that as official in court, though, because it's illegal. I used to loooove nuking Win98 users.

Jesus · 08-17-2010, 11:11 PM

Seeing as there is no possible solution to keep these people off the website, and as they keep using third party clients to destroy everything, it was deemed best to shut everything down for a while and rebuild everything from scratch. Unfortunate, but needed. Lesson learned, flash is very unsecure and vulnerable for programs to be run on.

Jesus · 08-21-2010, 07:24 PM

Solution found. When an offender repeatedly violates the terms of service and acts malicious to it's users, contact the FBI and file a lawsuit against said offender for lost ad revenue.

08-14-2010, 09:47 PM	#1
Jesus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 5,617 Thanks: 104 Thanked 139 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Bans from websites We all know you can do a ban from an IP address. This, however, can be spoofed. We know you can ban a MAC address. This too, can be spoofed. Is there technology in today's world to allow us to go through proxies and spoofed addresses to still throw up a ban? I'm wondering because I have noticed people exploiting hiding behind proxies and such to bypass the ban. Any computer techies would probably know better than me. Basically asking if you can still track the person's true address through it's fake address in order to keep a ban alive.

08-14-2010, 09:54 PM	#2
Glux Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home Gender: Posts: 7,121 Thanks: 647 Thanked 360 Times in 236 Posts Blog Entries: 3	ISP ban?

08-15-2010, 01:18 AM	#3
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	If you are crafty you can exploit their browser string and ban based on that. Otherwise, no.

08-15-2010, 03:52 AM	#4
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	It's called recognition. Essentially, we can cross-reference your style to what we already know. There are a large amount of accounts I've banned before they've been reported. I'd recite behavioral cues, but that would just make it more difficult for myself. Besides, trolls are usually idiots by default, hence their behavior. They don't use proxies here even 10% of the time, or if they do they have to use one close-to-home to get any decent latency on their connection. That in itself is a cue to who's who. If you don't mind wasting a lot of time, though, you can compile information to report a repeat offender to their parent ISP to blacklist them. They'll get a warning first, but if they're reported again they'll essentially be personally banned from all major services. Of course, that doesn't stop them from going to an internet cafe or library, but are you really going to go that far out of your way just to troll some forums? I've been admin at a few forums, anyway, and I at one point personally looked over every new account registering at my forum. We used to do that at VGF. It's an effective trump.

08-15-2010, 04:14 AM	#5
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	Well, yes. As an admin at other sites I can also spot trolls from far away. You tend to get good at it if a large amount of them are banging down the gates; they have these speech patterns which become repetitive over time.

08-15-2010, 10:53 AM	#6
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,274 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	So... why do you ask?

08-15-2010, 11:27 AM	#7
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,884 Thanks: 80 Thanked 198 Times in 122 Posts	Boy, I remember people using like AOHell complaining about getting random bans because people like Lupus were trolling. >.<;; I don't know if this still happens, though, it was at least 4-6 years ago I remember people complaining about this problem on WikiP and other forums that were plagued by people like that. And in RO. They banned you by IP.

08-15-2010, 12:15 PM	#8
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,274 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	^ Reminds me of this site which would ban entire countries by IP block. "Argentina's being a dick; so long and thanks for all the trolls."

08-15-2010, 01:54 PM	#9
Fairlight Excalibur Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: LA Gender: Posts: 880 Thanks: 72 Thanked 111 Times in 82 Posts Blog Entries: 1	^And if the offender is from the server's home country? "Crud, I banned my own website."

08-15-2010, 08:29 PM	#11
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,274 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	^ About the Great Firewall of China? Or just stuff like how to grow bok choy and comparing prices on straw hats?

08-15-2010, 10:01 PM	#12
Jesus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 5,617 Thanks: 104 Thanked 139 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 3	I have found there to be certain people who no matter how we try to impose bans he keeps popping up. I live for the day we are able to track a person through spoofed addresses. Unfortunately I cannot say why I ask the question (and no, i am not one who wants to spoof my address) due to legal issues that are rising on other sites, but it seems like with the technological advances, we are doomed to rising and smarter cybercrime. I have not found a solution to track someone down legitimately, and I asked here kind of as a last resort to see if anyone knew of something I didn't already know.

08-17-2010, 06:07 AM	#13
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Well, a better solution is a DoS attack, IMO. Don't quote that as official in court, though, because it's illegal. I used to loooove nuking Win98 users.

08-17-2010, 11:11 PM	#14
Jesus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 5,617 Thanks: 104 Thanked 139 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Seeing as there is no possible solution to keep these people off the website, and as they keep using third party clients to destroy everything, it was deemed best to shut everything down for a while and rebuild everything from scratch. Unfortunate, but needed. Lesson learned, flash is very unsecure and vulnerable for programs to be run on.

08-21-2010, 07:24 PM	#15
Jesus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 5,617 Thanks: 104 Thanked 139 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Solution found. When an offender repeatedly violates the terms of service and acts malicious to it's users, contact the FBI and file a lawsuit against said offender for lost ad revenue.