Possible draft?

Ancalag the Black · 05-20-2004, 11:08 PM

source: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...ua_congressorg

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Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
shelter and includes women in the draft.

The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

[ May 20, 2004, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: Tiger of the Wind ]

DELICIOUS POISON · 05-20-2004, 11:17 PM

Christ.

Erdawn Il Deus · 05-21-2004, 04:04 AM

...

*kicks Bush*

Link2000 · 05-21-2004, 08:56 AM

Bush knows that he'll kill the Republican party if he reinstates the draft. I HIGHLY doubt there will be one ever again, unless there is another world war.

Stolenbrokensoul · 05-21-2004, 11:35 AM

If there's a draft... CANADA OR EUROPE HERE I COME! no way im fighting for the political bull****ish reasons

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 05-21-2004, 02:08 PM

.....FAKE RETARDATION.

....Or not. That never stopped anyone from becoming president, so it sure as hell won't save you from the draft.

UserGoogol · 05-21-2004, 03:15 PM

These bills will not pass. And if they do, it will be up to Dubya to sign them. And if he signs them, HE WILL LOSE.

Parrakarry · 05-21-2004, 03:32 PM

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Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Damn.

Ancalag the Black · 05-21-2004, 04:04 PM

Except, those bills are scheduled to pass out of Congress some time next year, just in time for Bush's inauguration into his second term.

Legion · 05-21-2004, 04:25 PM

This is where I point and laugh at all you poor Americans who may be getting shipped off to a desert hellhole/warzone.

Not that I'm calling Iraq a hellhole.

But if this happens, well, it will kill the Republican Party.

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-21-2004, 04:35 PM

It won't pass the Senate.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Everybody Nose · 05-21-2004, 04:54 PM

...I'm semi-flattfooted

AJ Middleton · 05-21-2004, 05:43 PM

It's political suicide.

Rattan · 05-21-2004, 06:52 PM

Are they ****ing insane?
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Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 05-21-2004, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Sir Bolt:
It's political suicide.

They may not be the "Big picture" sort of people.

**Wyborn** · 05-21-2004, 08:21 PM

This draft will include women? Holy Hell.

Nick · 05-21-2004, 08:37 PM

It isn't political suicide if they do it quietly. Congress won't catch the flak for it, but the jerkass who signs it into law will. The election will really determain what happens. Regardless of the outcome, Bush falls into lame-duck status. If he loses, he has a month or two to do whatever he wants before he leaves. If he wins, he has roughly 3 years to do whatever he wants. People won't care unless someone makes a big stink about it. I pity the fool in the white house that activates the draft though. I could see them using draftees to fill domestic positions with little qualms though, as it would free up all the people stationed here to go over there. Sending draftees into a combat zone is dumb. It kills morale in the troops, and kills support at home.

Including women is a given, as someone could easily cite the legislation as unconstitutional.

Being flat-footed doesn't matter anymore. They'll custom-fit a boot for you. Same goes for most of the exemptions used in 'Nam, since they've been closed practically since day one of the non-draftee military.

**Wyborn** · 05-21-2004, 08:41 PM

Errr....how about scoliosis of the spine, or heart palpitations?

Kil'jaeden · 05-22-2004, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by Parrakarry:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Damn. </font>[/quote]Mexico might be easier.

Toad556 · 05-22-2004, 08:43 AM

Damn shame they have to stoop to this, I will be gotdamned if I get drafted, and would never be happy at America again...

05-20-2004, 11:17 PM	#2
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Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 16,283.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 17,087.37 Donate	Bush knows that he'll kill the Republican party if he reinstates the draft. I HIGHLY doubt there will be one ever again, unless there is another world war.

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Stolenbrokensoul Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: thischairinfrontofmycomputeronthispersonslap, FL Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 811.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,311.00 Donate	If there's a draft... CANADA OR EUROPE HERE I COME! no way im fighting for the political bull****ish reasons

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UserGoogol Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Greater Boston Area Gender: Posts: 4,024 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 5,122.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,622.00 Donate	These bills will not pass. And if they do, it will be up to Dubya to sign them. And if he signs them, HE WILL LOSE.

05-21-2004, 04:04 PM	#9
Ancalag the Black Junior Member Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 302 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 5,043.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,543.00 Donate	Except, those bills are scheduled to pass out of Congress some time next year, just in time for Bush's inauguration into his second term.

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Legion Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Greater Mancester, UK Gender: Posts: 1,860 Thanks: 10 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts Points: 8,004.29 Bank: 6,647.77 Total Points: 14,652.06 Donate	This is where I point and laugh at all you poor Americans who may be getting shipped off to a desert hellhole/warzone. Not that I'm calling Iraq a hellhole. But if this happens, well, it will kill the Republican Party.

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Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,326 Thanks: 86 Thanked 439 Times in 269 Posts Points: 16,865.94 Bank: 82,155.51 Total Points: 99,021.45 Donate	This draft will include women? Holy Hell.

05-21-2004, 08:37 PM	#17
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,602.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,102.00 Donate	It isn't political suicide if they do it quietly. Congress won't catch the flak for it, but the jerkass who signs it into law will. The election will really determain what happens. Regardless of the outcome, Bush falls into lame-duck status. If he loses, he has a month or two to do whatever he wants before he leaves. If he wins, he has roughly 3 years to do whatever he wants. People won't care unless someone makes a big stink about it. I pity the fool in the white house that activates the draft though. I could see them using draftees to fill domestic positions with little qualms though, as it would free up all the people stationed here to go over there. Sending draftees into a combat zone is dumb. It kills morale in the troops, and kills support at home. Including women is a given, as someone could easily cite the legislation as unconstitutional. Being flat-footed doesn't matter anymore. They'll custom-fit a boot for you. Same goes for most of the exemptions used in 'Nam, since they've been closed practically since day one of the non-draftee military.

05-21-2004, 08:41 PM	#18
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,326 Thanks: 86 Thanked 439 Times in 269 Posts Points: 16,865.94 Bank: 82,155.51 Total Points: 99,021.45 Donate	Errr....how about scoliosis of the spine, or heart palpitations?

05-22-2004, 08:43 AM	#20
Toad556 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pffft <insert witty comment here> Gender: Posts: 687 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 28,524.71 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 29,024.71 Donate	Damn shame they have to stoop to this, I will be gotdamned if I get drafted, and would never be happy at America again...