Man accused in Ohio shopping center plot - VGF

Juliet · 06-15-2004, 01:28 PM

Source: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...news-headlines

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WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department yesterday announced the indictment of a Somali man living in Ohio on charges that he conspired to "provide material support" to terrorists and of immigration fraud.

In a separate detention motion filed yesterday, federal prosecutors said that the defendant, Nuradin Abdi, 32, had "initiated" a plot with a convicted al-Qaida operative, Lyman Faris, and other unnamed co-conspirators to blow up an unidentified shopping center in Columbus.

The indictment makes no mention of al-Qaida or of the alleged bombing plot with Faris, who is serving 20 years in prison after admitting plotting to sever cables supporting the Brooklyn Bridge. Faris has not been charged in the alleged shopping center plot.

The four-count indictment against Abdi, returned Thursday by a grand jury in Columbus, was announced by Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Two counts accuse Abdi of conspiring to provide material support to terrorists, and the other two charge him with document fraud by making false claims and statements in applying for U.S. travel documents.

The indictment does not detail the material support Abdi is alleged to have provided terrorists. But the motion to detain Abdi, a legal maneuver to prevent his deportation under separate proceedings, asserts that the material support was "himself and currency."

The indictment alleges that Abdi, who ran a small cell phone business in Columbus, lied to U.S. immigration authorities in an application for travel documents in 1999 when he said he intended to visit Germany and Saudi Arabia. "In fact ... he planned to travel to Ogaden, Ethiopia, for the purpose of obtaining military-style training in preparation for violent Jihad," or holy war, the indictment says.

Ogaden is a vast desert area, much of it contested by Somalia and Ethiopia.

The indictment does not say he actually traveled to Ogaden. The detention motion says he "intended" to travel to Ogaden for "training in radio usage, guns, guerilla warfare, bombs and 'anything to damage the enemy.'"

"Current credible intelligence indicates that al-Qaida wants to hit the United States and hit us hard," Ashcroft said at a news conference sparse in details.

Asked why the indictment and detention motions were thin on details, a federal official said in a telephone interview, "This guy is a bad man, that's all I can tell you. There's a lot on him we cannot discuss ... The problem is this is an ongoing investigation and there's a lot of classified stuff."

Abdi's immigration lawyer, Doug Weigle, was unavailable for comment late yesterday. He told the Associated Press earlier in the day that he did not know if he would continue to represent Abdi. Abdi's brother, Mohamed Abdi Karani, said he had been told nothing about the case.

Eegad...I live in Columbus.

[ June 15, 2004, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: Juliet ]

Ditto · 06-15-2004, 02:01 PM

...whew, that was close. o_O

***ZeldaGirl*** · 06-15-2004, 03:18 PM

Eek!

GRENTLEMEN · 06-16-2004, 08:57 AM

Better there than Cleveland. Ha.

Princess Zelda of Hyrule · 06-16-2004, 09:34 PM

I used to live about ten minutes away from that shopping center. My friends could have died in that one.

Ike · 06-16-2004, 09:36 PM

What the hell is wrong with these people?

Link2000 · 06-16-2004, 09:50 PM

They don't like America.

Ditto · 06-17-2004, 12:47 PM

Given that he was associated with convicted al-Qaeda members, he probably just shares their evil ideology, so...

*shrugs* Why to people think radical Islam is a good idea? Some were raised on lies and bile. Some have outlandishly poor judgement. Some are driven insane. Some are sociopaths who are attracted to any excuse to kill. He could be any of these.

It all adds up to... they're just evil and have to be stopped.

[ June 17, 2004, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Ditto, Sadly, Not a Boss In SSB:M ]

GRENTLEMEN · 06-17-2004, 12:49 PM

Yes. They're all evil. And they live in SKULL CASTLE on top of MOUNT DOOM.

Ditto · 06-17-2004, 12:51 PM

If only it were that easy to find them...

Juliet · 06-17-2004, 02:15 PM

A.I., the concept of evil was not invented for fairy tales. These people's actions are meant to cause ruin, injury and pain, and are, by all definitions, evil. When someone is out to destroy you, you can't waste time trying to find the good in them. My best friends could have been blown up. My best friends. Or even me.

[ June 17, 2004, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Juliet ]

GRENTLEMEN · 06-17-2004, 02:47 PM

*IN FACT, SCRATCH WHAT I SAID BEFORE*

I'm going to have to totally go with you on this one. Take them out in time before they BUILD A GIANT LASER ON THE MOON AND DESTROY US ALL!! Evil sons a b*tches!

[ June 17, 2004, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: A.I. will not tolerate insolence ]

Ditto McCloaker · 06-17-2004, 04:20 PM

Nah, I'd rather research, in minute detail, why they hate me, and attempt to reason with them, or stay out of their way.

Maybe I can change their mind with flowers!

Anyway, if this guy's innocent, I hope he's let off. If he's guilty then it's...

"Gitmo-tize me, Cap'n!"

06-15-2004, 02:01 PM	#2
Ditto Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Not in SSB:M Posts: 354 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 800.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,300.00 Donate	...whew, that was close. o_O

06-15-2004, 03:18 PM	#3
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06-16-2004, 08:57 AM	#4
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06-16-2004, 09:34 PM	#5
Princess Zelda of Hyrule Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hyrule Castle Gender: Posts: 6,128 Thanks: 35 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Points: 6,474.36 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 6,974.36 Donate	I used to live about ten minutes away from that shopping center. My friends could have died in that one.

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Ike Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I don't know. Where do I live? Gender: Posts: 5,633 Thanks: 7 Thanked 153 Times in 109 Posts Points: 6,211.44 Bank: 181,693.55 Total Points: 187,904.99 Donate	What the hell is wrong with these people?

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Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 15,798.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 16,602.37 Donate	They don't like America.

06-17-2004, 12:47 PM	#8
Ditto Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Not in SSB:M Posts: 354 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 800.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,300.00 Donate	Given that he was associated with convicted al-Qaeda members, he probably just shares their evil ideology, so... shrugs Why to people think radical Islam is a good idea? Some were raised on lies and bile. Some have outlandishly poor judgement. Some are driven insane. Some are sociopaths who are attracted to any excuse to kill. He could be any of these. It all adds up to... they're just evil and have to be stopped. [ June 17, 2004, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Ditto, Sadly, Not a Boss In SSB:M ]

06-17-2004, 12:49 PM	#9
GRENTLEMEN Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,881 Thanks: 456 Thanked 1,150 Times in 628 Posts Points: 6,347.57 Bank: 1,830,360.28 Total Points: 1,836,707.85 Donate	Yes. They're all evil. And they live in SKULL CASTLE on top of MOUNT DOOM.

06-17-2004, 12:51 PM	#10
Ditto Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Not in SSB:M Posts: 354 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 800.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,300.00 Donate	If only it were that easy to find them...

06-17-2004, 02:15 PM	#11
Juliet Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Vinkus Posts: 1,238 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,724.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,224.00 Donate	A.I., the concept of evil was not invented for fairy tales. These people's actions are meant to cause ruin, injury and pain, and are, by all definitions, evil. When someone is out to destroy you, you can't waste time trying to find the good in them. My best friends could have been blown up. My best friends. Or even me. [ June 17, 2004, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Juliet ]

06-17-2004, 02:47 PM	#12
GRENTLEMEN Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,881 Thanks: 456 Thanked 1,150 Times in 628 Posts Points: 6,347.57 Bank: 1,830,360.28 Total Points: 1,836,707.85 Donate	IN FACT, SCRATCH WHAT I SAID BEFORE I'm going to have to totally go with you on this one. Take them out in time before they BUILD A GIANT LASER ON THE MOON AND DESTROY US ALL!! Evil sons a b*tches! [ June 17, 2004, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: A.I. will not tolerate insolence ]

06-17-2004, 04:20 PM	#13
Ditto McCloaker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: SimCity Posts: 3,246 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 773.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,273.00 Donate	Nah, I'd rather research, in minute detail, why they hate me, and attempt to reason with them, or stay out of their way. Maybe I can change their mind with flowers! Anyway, if this guy's innocent, I hope he's let off. If he's guilty then it's... "Gitmo-tize me, Cap'n!"