Debate Tonight - VGF

Link2000 · 09-30-2004, 05:32 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...ain/index.html

Kerry will have to come out big if he expects to win this election.

Flamethrower Mario · 09-30-2004, 10:39 PM

And he did. Bush was clearly on the defensive. "We won the war too quickly" = Worst cop out ever. All his claims about Kerry's flip flopping just rang hollow - Kerry did a fantastic job of ironing out his points, and that will give him a major leg up down the home stretch. Bush didn't do badly, although at the beginning he stumbled quite a bit, and he seemed to be rather nervous - what was with interrupting the moderator all the time?

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-01-2004, 01:20 AM

The winner: Jim Lehrer.

Best line: "He went to Yale, but I can forgive that." ~Dubya

And remember: "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Nick · 10-01-2004, 02:55 AM

What channels did you watch it on? I caught it on CSPAN's splitscreen that showed both podiums at the same time. Made Kerry look extremely presidential, whereas it made Bush look unsure, inept, and generally bad.

Parrakarry · 10-01-2004, 05:57 AM

Yeah, Kerry definitely did well last night... I thought that Bush came out as a sort of, well, unprepared idiot. It was pretty interesting...

Super Shy Guy · 10-01-2004, 04:16 PM

I missed the debate, but all of the analysts (except the obviously Pro-Bush ones) have said that John Kerry definitely did better. The clips I saw showed this too.

Kids at my school (we're a Catholic school, so we have a good number of conservative kids, well, kids that think they support Bush but don't know jack **** about politics and only go by what their parents say) think that Bush did better because he sounds like a "normal, average american" while John Kerry went on and on and talked (isn't that the point of a debate?). I don't get why everyone says that Bush is good because he's like an average Americn; first of all, he isn't an average American, and talking in a goofy accent doesn't make him so. Second, do you really want the average American in charge of one of the most powerful nations in the world?

Brandon2390 · 10-01-2004, 05:04 PM

I actually think Kerry is more of an average american than bush. Kerry actually seems like more of a fun kind of guy. Key word: More. Neither of them are a lot like it.

ZIPPYDIPPY19 · 10-01-2004, 05:12 PM

Did anyone else notice Bush tried to use the word proliferated without knowing its meaning, so he just used in really broad contexts?

But yeah, I don't like either, but when ya get right down to it Kerry's a lot more charismatic and could fire off points faster than bush could. Plus Bush's three-second pauses reeeally hurt him in my book. They showed hesitation and fright, two things I don't wanna see in any president.

***ZeldaGirl*** · 10-02-2004, 02:11 AM

Well, performance and delivery wise, Kerry kicked butt. However, content wise, I believe Bush won. I just agree with his policies for the war more than Kerry's. Both were even, because in my book, each had one-up on the other in a certain aspect.

Bush did not look good, but I am just inclined to agree with his views and ideas more. And let's face it, Bush is not the most articulate president, so of course Kerry is going to look better in that aspect. I tried to pay more attention to the actual ideas... in the end, the ideas, not how well the person can speak, is what affects this country.

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-03-2004, 12:47 AM

It's like Carville/Affleck said, "You beat the man in a talking contest. That's like Wilt Chamberlain playing basketball against Stephen Hawking and winning by two points."

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Super Shy Guy · 10-03-2004, 09:38 AM

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However, content wise, I believe Bush won. I just agree with his policies for the war more than Kerry's.

OF COURSE HE'LL WIN "CONTENT WISE" IF YOU AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS.

Nick · 10-03-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by CaptHayfever:
It's like Carville/Affleck said, "You beat the man in a talking contest. That's like Wilt Chamberlain playing basketball against Stephen Hawking and winning by two points."

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

And I'd still pick Wilt Chamberlain for my basketball team, or pick Hawkin for my nerd-team.

ZIPPYDIPPY19 · 10-03-2004, 05:34 PM

^^ ya got a point there :/

ocarinagirl · 10-10-2004, 01:12 AM

Well, the second debate has come on gone.

And yes, I just had to post this:

[img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

Koga · 10-10-2004, 07:08 AM

[img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

El Barto · 10-10-2004, 08:46 PM

Please, somebody, explain this poland business. I haven't seen most of the debate yet.

ocarinagirl · 10-10-2004, 09:17 PM

Kerry aparently forgot to mention that Poland was one of the countries who was helping us with the Iraq War before it dropped out, like Italy did.

HOW COULD WE FORGET OH NOES??!!1

[img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

Super Shy Guy · 10-10-2004, 09:55 PM

I don't think Poland was even one of our inital allies in Iraq.

Jonathan Resop · 10-10-2004, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bad Andi:
HOW COULD WE FORGET OH NOES??!!1 [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

Hey, I'm a Polish American, so shut up your face.-jay

ocarinagirl · 10-10-2004, 10:10 PM

*flees*

09-30-2004, 05:32 PM	#1
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 15,789.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 16,593.37 Donate	http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...ain/index.html Kerry will have to come out big if he expects to win this election.

09-30-2004, 10:39 PM	#2
Flamethrower Mario Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 1,975 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,786.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,286.00 Donate	And he did. Bush was clearly on the defensive. "We won the war too quickly" = Worst cop out ever. All his claims about Kerry's flip flopping just rang hollow - Kerry did a fantastic job of ironing out his points, and that will give him a major leg up down the home stretch. Bush didn't do badly, although at the beginning he stumbled quite a bit, and he seemed to be rather nervous - what was with interrupting the moderator all the time?

10-01-2004, 01:20 AM	#3
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,265 Thanks: 160 Thanked 729 Times in 471 Posts Points: 105,239.68 Bank: 923.79 Total Points: 106,163.48 Donate	The winner: Jim Lehrer. Best line: "He went to Yale, but I can forgive that." ~Dubya And remember: "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-01-2004, 02:55 AM	#4
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,301.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,801.00 Donate	What channels did you watch it on? I caught it on CSPAN's splitscreen that showed both podiums at the same time. Made Kerry look extremely presidential, whereas it made Bush look unsure, inept, and generally bad.

10-01-2004, 05:57 AM	#5
Parrakarry Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 10,683 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,778.81 Bank: 597.55 Total Points: 9,376.36 Donate	Yeah, Kerry definitely did well last night... I thought that Bush came out as a sort of, well, unprepared idiot. It was pretty interesting...

10-01-2004, 04:16 PM	#6
Super Shy Guy Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the seven seas Posts: 8,969 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,686.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 9,186.00 Donate	I missed the debate, but all of the analysts (except the obviously Pro-Bush ones) have said that John Kerry definitely did better. The clips I saw showed this too. Kids at my school (we're a Catholic school, so we have a good number of conservative kids, well, kids that think they support Bush but don't know jack **** about politics and only go by what their parents say) think that Bush did better because he sounds like a "normal, average american" while John Kerry went on and on and talked (isn't that the point of a debate?). I don't get why everyone says that Bush is good because he's like an average Americn; first of all, he isn't an average American, and talking in a goofy accent doesn't make him so. Second, do you really want the average American in charge of one of the most powerful nations in the world?

10-01-2004, 05:04 PM	#7
Brandon2390 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,366 Thanks: 5 Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts Points: 37,291.62 Bank: 853.44 Total Points: 38,145.06 Donate	I actually think Kerry is more of an average american than bush. Kerry actually seems like more of a fun kind of guy. Key word: More. Neither of them are a lot like it.

10-01-2004, 05:12 PM	#8
ZIPPYDIPPY19 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,663 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,254.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,754.00 Donate	Did anyone else notice Bush tried to use the word proliferated without knowing its meaning, so he just used in really broad contexts? But yeah, I don't like either, but when ya get right down to it Kerry's a lot more charismatic and could fire off points faster than bush could. Plus Bush's three-second pauses reeeally hurt him in my book. They showed hesitation and fright, two things I don't wanna see in any president.

10-02-2004, 02:11 AM	#9
*ZeldaGirl* Venting SuperMod Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 11,705 Thanks: 495 Thanked 721 Times in 488 Posts Points: 22,487.27 Bank: 306,009.81 Total Points: 328,497.08 Donate	Well, performance and delivery wise, Kerry kicked butt. However, content wise, I believe Bush won. I just agree with his policies for the war more than Kerry's. Both were even, because in my book, each had one-up on the other in a certain aspect. Bush did not look good, but I am just inclined to agree with his views and ideas more. And let's face it, Bush is not the most articulate president, so of course Kerry is going to look better in that aspect. I tried to pay more attention to the actual ideas... in the end, the ideas, not how well the person can speak, is what affects this country.

10-03-2004, 12:47 AM	#10
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,265 Thanks: 160 Thanked 729 Times in 471 Posts Points: 105,239.68 Bank: 923.79 Total Points: 106,163.48 Donate	It's like Carville/Affleck said, "You beat the man in a talking contest. That's like Wilt Chamberlain playing basketball against Stephen Hawking and winning by two points." And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-03-2004, 05:34 PM	#13
ZIPPYDIPPY19 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,663 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,254.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,754.00 Donate	^^ ya got a point there :/

10-10-2004, 01:12 AM	#14
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,914.83 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,414.83 Donate	Well, the second debate has come on gone. And yes, I just had to post this: [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

10-10-2004, 07:08 AM	#15
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10-10-2004, 08:46 PM	#16
El Barto Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,708 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,484.12 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,984.12 Donate	Please, somebody, explain this poland business. I haven't seen most of the debate yet.

10-10-2004, 09:17 PM	#17
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,914.83 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,414.83 Donate	Kerry aparently forgot to mention that Poland was one of the countries who was helping us with the Iraq War before it dropped out, like Italy did. HOW COULD WE FORGET OH NOES??!!1 [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

10-10-2004, 09:55 PM	#18
Super Shy Guy Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the seven seas Posts: 8,969 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,686.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 9,186.00 Donate	I don't think Poland was even one of our inital allies in Iraq.

10-10-2004, 10:10 PM	#20
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,914.83 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,414.83 Donate	flees