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**FACE K. POLK** · 12-17-2005, 02:27 PM

Bush Approves Secret Eavesdropping

Zounds! It's almost Nixon all over again!

~Dylan

Vapor · 12-17-2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dylan:
Bush Approves Secret Eavesdropping

Zounds! It's almost Nixon all over again!

~Dylan

Zounds! You're Correct!

***CaptHayfever*** · 12-17-2005, 06:39 PM

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Angry members of Congress have demanded an explanation of the program....and whether the monitoring by the National Security Agency without obtaining warrants from a court violates civil liberties.

...If you have to be told that this violates civil liberties, how did you get elected to Congress?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Serial Miller · 12-17-2005, 07:04 PM

Feh. At least his crazy ass will be gone next term.

Chronos · 12-17-2005, 07:07 PM

As I commented to the guy next to me in line recently at the airport, as we were both getting our shoes and putting them back on, "Welcome to the brave new world...."

Then again, this is the putz who went ahead and admitted he had set up a secret "shadow government" that would step in, in the event that the current administration was somehow destroyed or incapacitated.

Remember what Eisenhower said, about the Military-Industrial Complex.

Darth_Flava · 12-26-2005, 10:30 AM

Oh come on. Ever since the Patriot Act, all I have heard is moaning and groaning about the fact that the government is eavesdropping or tapping into our phone lines and violating our privacy. WRONG. It's a lot more important to protect the nation then to worry about whether listening in on Sam or Ashleys conversation is a violation of privacy. Unless you have something to hide, you shouldn't be worrying about the fact that the government is trying to defend the nation by listening in through the phone lines.

***CaptHayfever*** · 12-26-2005, 12:34 PM

^
Phone conversation: "I don't like this war."
CIA conversation: "Move in."

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Legion · 12-26-2005, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Flava:
Oh come on. Ever since the Patriot Act, all I have heard is moaning and groaning about the fact that the government is eavesdropping or tapping into our phone lines and violating our privacy. WRONG. It's a lot more important to protect the nation then to worry about whether listening in on Sam or Ashleys conversation is a violation of privacy. Unless you have something to hide, you shouldn't be worrying about the fact that the government is trying to defend the nation by listening in through the phone lines.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will lose both and deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

Sampson1986 · 12-26-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Legion's Back:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Darth Flava:
Oh come on. Ever since the Patriot Act, all I have heard is moaning and groaning about the fact that the government is eavesdropping or tapping into our phone lines and violating our privacy. WRONG. It's a lot more important to protect the nation then to worry about whether listening in on Sam or Ashleys conversation is a violation of privacy. Unless you have something to hide, you shouldn't be worrying about the fact that the government is trying to defend the nation by listening in through the phone lines.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will lose both and deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin [/quote]Whoa. For once, Legion's Back and I agree on something. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Glyph Phoenix · 12-27-2005, 01:15 AM

What kind of world would we have if everyone could have their own opinion, have their own private conversations without government intervention? I should call the SOS men on you all.

Bomby von FACEville · 12-27-2005, 02:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Flava:
Oh come on. Ever since the Patriot Act, all I have heard is moaning and groaning about the fact that the government is eavesdropping or tapping into our phone lines and violating our privacy. WRONG. It's a lot more important to protect the nation then to worry about whether listening in on Sam or Ashleys conversation is a violation of privacy. Unless you have something to hide, you shouldn't be worrying about the fact that the government is trying to defend the nation by listening in through the phone lines.

Originally posted by CaptHayfever:
^
Phone conversation: "I don't like this war."
CIA conversation: "Move in."

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Darth Flava: Consider yourself served. Tadow!

Darth_Flava · 12-30-2005, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaptHayfever:
^
Phone conversation: "I don't like this war."
CIA conversation: "Move in."

You know what I have to say to all of you idiots who believe that this is how the US really is. PROVE to me when ever since the Patriot Act was created that the CIA has arrested somebody for disliking the war. Otherwise, all you people are proving is how ignorant all of you are to what the US government is trying to do to protect the nation. But, I guess all of you don't mind sitting next to a terrorist onboard a commercial airliner thousands of feet in the air.

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 12-30-2005, 02:37 AM

^Bud, they'd have to kill everyone on the plane before they can control it. And it's them vs. 100+ passengers.

AND there's the Air Marshels, who have guns. So I wouldn't worry about some dude sitting next to me with a plastic knife.

This new thing means we're being monitored now, which scares me (and others.)

And it seems a bit more racially biased, as these terrorists are from the middle east. We're basically going backwards with Civil Rights.

If anything, they should be paying more attention to who is entering the US and their backrounds (for everybody.)

Nick · 12-30-2005, 02:48 AM

Aside that its using the bill of rights and the entire concept behind the formation of the US as toilet paper, there's nothing wrong with domestic flying.

There is nothing wrong with using a focused, fine-pointed tap that went through court procedure to get a warrant. There is a problem with open-ended data-mining put on the gateways of the telecommunication networks that have no focus, point, or court approved warrant.

And the whole "if you're against it, you're for terrorism" line doesn't work for Bush, so why would it work for you?

[ December 30, 2005, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: The Great Tyrant ]

Sampson1986 · 12-30-2005, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Flava:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Originally posted by CaptHayfever:
^
Phone conversation: "I don't like this war."
CIA conversation: "Move in."

You know what I have to say to all of you idiots who believe that this is how the US really is. PROVE to me when ever since the Patriot Act was created that the CIA has arrested somebody for disliking the war. Otherwise, all you people are proving is how ignorant all of you are to what the US government is trying to do to protect the nation. But, I guess all of you don't mind sitting next to a terrorist onboard a commercial airliner thousands of feet in the air. [/quote]I respect your position, but I disagree with it.

We Americans should not have our civil liberties trampled on because of some flippin' terrorist *******.

Chunky Kong12345 · 12-30-2005, 06:29 PM

Edit: Nevermind.

Darth_Flava · 12-30-2005, 09:41 PM

One of the problems with all of you who that the Patriot Act just blindly crushes our civil rights by the form of monitoring is that we were already being monitored to begin with. It's called a social security number. You're also being monitored everytime you use a debit or credit ok. The person watching what you purchase may not be some one in the government, but someone working for your bank or credit company is checking what you are purchasing to make sure that everything is correct and nothing illegal is being purchased. Some of you who think that this is just another mindless act crushing civil liberties also believe that the government shouldn't care about what we do because we're not going to do anything wrong. This is an incorrect way of thinking. Just because so and isn't doing anything illegal doesn't necessarily mean that the next person isn't. The government can't sit there and say "Oh you know what, I don't think we should monitor what is being said on the phone lines because some of these people have done nothing wrong". The government has to be impartial in this kind of situation because somebody, some where in the US is making a phone call that could very well result in murder. Like I said before, unless you're like a child molestor, murderer or have something bad to hide, then shouldn't worry about the government checking what is being said when and where.

Also for the guy who said its 100 people against a terrorist on a plane with a plastic fork, that is not what I meant. I was talking more along the lines of a terrorist with a BOMB is his shoe. And yes a criminal has managed to get by checkpoint security with a bomb in his shoe and get on the plane.

**Prince Toad** · 12-30-2005, 10:18 PM

^On your last point-- I think that means we should get better-trained airport security. That's a case of personnel incompetence. Random phone taps has nothing to do with security.

[ December 30, 2005, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: Prince Toad ]

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 12-30-2005, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Flava:
I was talking more along the lines of a terrorist with a BOMB is his shoe. And yes a criminal has managed to get by checkpoint security with a bomb in his shoe and get on the plane.

And because of that, we've got to take off our shoes before we go through the scanner.

When was the last time you went to an airport?

Erdawn Il Deus · 12-31-2005, 12:29 AM

YOU'RE RIGHT FLAVA! PERSONAL LIBERTIES SHOULD BE ABOLISHED! AS LONG AS TERRORISM EXISTS, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN LEAVE OUR HOUSES! WE ARE IN DANGER AT ALL TIMES! ANYONE SUSPECTED OF BEING A TERRORIST (READ:FOREIGNER) SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT BACK AND SHOT LIKE THEY SHOT OLD YELLER! NOBODY CARES ABOUT FREEDOM WHEN SUCH SANCTITY IS AT RISK!

IN FACT,

[ December 30, 2005, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: Erdawn Il Deuce ]

12-17-2005, 02:27 PM	#1
FACE K. POLK Banned Mod Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 5,982 Thanks: 805 Thanked 807 Times in 372 Posts Points: 34,307.65 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 34,307.66 Donate	Bush Approves Secret Eavesdropping Zounds! It's almost Nixon all over again! ~Dylan

12-17-2005, 07:04 PM	#4
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12-17-2005, 07:07 PM	#5
Chronos Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 285 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,480.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,980.00 Donate	As I commented to the guy next to me in line recently at the airport, as we were both getting our shoes and putting them back on, "Welcome to the brave new world...." Then again, this is the putz who went ahead and admitted he had set up a secret "shadow government" that would step in, in the event that the current administration was somehow destroyed or incapacitated. Remember what Eisenhower said, about the Military-Industrial Complex.

12-26-2005, 10:30 AM	#6
Darth_Flava Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 3,766.92 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,266.92 Donate	Oh come on. Ever since the Patriot Act, all I have heard is moaning and groaning about the fact that the government is eavesdropping or tapping into our phone lines and violating our privacy. WRONG. It's a lot more important to protect the nation then to worry about whether listening in on Sam or Ashleys conversation is a violation of privacy. Unless you have something to hide, you shouldn't be worrying about the fact that the government is trying to defend the nation by listening in through the phone lines.

12-26-2005, 12:34 PM	#7
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12-27-2005, 01:15 AM	#10
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Points: 6,384.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 6,884.00 Donate	What kind of world would we have if everyone could have their own opinion, have their own private conversations without government intervention? I should call the SOS men on you all.

12-30-2005, 02:37 AM	#13
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12-30-2005, 02:48 AM	#14
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,093.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,593.00 Donate	Aside that its using the bill of rights and the entire concept behind the formation of the US as toilet paper, there's nothing wrong with domestic flying. There is nothing wrong with using a focused, fine-pointed tap that went through court procedure to get a warrant. There is a problem with open-ended data-mining put on the gateways of the telecommunication networks that have no focus, point, or court approved warrant. And the whole "if you're against it, you're for terrorism" line doesn't work for Bush, so why would it work for you? [ December 30, 2005, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: The Great Tyrant ]

12-30-2005, 06:29 PM	#16
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12-30-2005, 09:41 PM	#17
Darth_Flava Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 3,766.92 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,266.92 Donate	One of the problems with all of you who that the Patriot Act just blindly crushes our civil rights by the form of monitoring is that we were already being monitored to begin with. It's called a social security number. You're also being monitored everytime you use a debit or credit ok. The person watching what you purchase may not be some one in the government, but someone working for your bank or credit company is checking what you are purchasing to make sure that everything is correct and nothing illegal is being purchased. Some of you who think that this is just another mindless act crushing civil liberties also believe that the government shouldn't care about what we do because we're not going to do anything wrong. This is an incorrect way of thinking. Just because so and isn't doing anything illegal doesn't necessarily mean that the next person isn't. The government can't sit there and say "Oh you know what, I don't think we should monitor what is being said on the phone lines because some of these people have done nothing wrong". The government has to be impartial in this kind of situation because somebody, some where in the US is making a phone call that could very well result in murder. Like I said before, unless you're like a child molestor, murderer or have something bad to hide, then shouldn't worry about the government checking what is being said when and where. Also for the guy who said its 100 people against a terrorist on a plane with a plastic fork, that is not what I meant. I was talking more along the lines of a terrorist with a BOMB is his shoe. And yes a criminal has managed to get by checkpoint security with a bomb in his shoe and get on the plane.

12-30-2005, 10:18 PM	#18
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,394 Thanks: 42 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 42,076.88 Bank: 15,622.87 Total Points: 57,699.75 Donate	^On your last point-- I think that means we should get better-trained airport security. That's a case of personnel incompetence. Random phone taps has nothing to do with security. [ December 30, 2005, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: Prince Toad ]

12-31-2005, 12:29 AM	#20
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,947 Thanks: 4 Thanked 36 Times in 31 Posts Points: 21,218.63 Bank: 646.80 Total Points: 21,865.43 Donate	YOU'RE RIGHT FLAVA! PERSONAL LIBERTIES SHOULD BE ABOLISHED! AS LONG AS TERRORISM EXISTS, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN LEAVE OUR HOUSES! WE ARE IN DANGER AT ALL TIMES! ANYONE SUSPECTED OF BEING A TERRORIST (READ:FOREIGNER) SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT BACK AND SHOT LIKE THEY SHOT OLD YELLER! NOBODY CARES ABOUT FREEDOM WHEN SUCH SANCTITY IS AT RISK! IN FACT, [ December 30, 2005, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: Erdawn Il Deuce ]