Intelligent Design = PWN'D

Nick · 12-22-2005, 02:00 PM

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf

Even a Churchgoing Bush appointee knows its a crock.

Legion · 12-22-2005, 02:40 PM

Sampson1986 · 12-22-2005, 02:55 PM

As with any other controversial issue, this will go on, and on, and on...like the energizer rabbit. I doubt there will ever be a compromise that is suitable to both groups.

Nick · 12-22-2005, 07:09 PM

That's because there is no debate...it isn't science.

Sampson1986 · 12-22-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Great Tyrant:
That's because there is no debate...it isn't science.

Maybe if schools offered ID in a philosophy class, everybody would STFU. Then we'd have something else to b**** about.

[ December 22, 2005, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: Sampson1986 ]

Nick · 12-22-2005, 10:10 PM

Problem with a philosophy class is that it will, in practice, wind up being used as a defacto christian religion class.

Legion · 12-23-2005, 09:53 AM

See, this is why in the UK we have these wonderful things called 'Religious Study' classes. So the Christian lobby groups can shut up and go and do something else for a change. Like complaining about late-night operas on the BBC.

***CaptHayfever*** · 12-23-2005, 01:56 PM

^When public schools here try stuff like that, Legion, then everyone complains, not just the Christian lobby groups.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Dusty · 12-23-2005, 07:51 PM

Religious studies is a great idea, especially if it's in the Bible belt. A historical perspective on Christianity with some in-depth Islam studies and all that. And hey, maybe read some essays by some atheist philosophers defending their viewpoint... but then again maybe I just like seeing car fires on CNN.

Chronos · 12-24-2005, 12:15 AM

Yeah, them car fires sure are a beaut.

Intelligent Design is no more a science than using a pile of bones to tell the future.

My personal belief is that if God wanted us to know how He created the universe, He would have told us. The very concept that we think we know how God does and does not work is the very essence of blasphemy. Besides that, how do you think we would handle that knowledge?

Let's a take a short trip back in time, shall we? God's talking to Abraham, and then says to him, "By the way, Abraham, did you know there used to be giant animals on this planet, some of which were over 30 feet tall, and could swallow you whole in one bite?"

After running home to change his underwear, I'm sure the first thing Abraham would say is "WTF are you talking about, God? Are they still around? Are they going to kill me? Do I have to watch out for them?"

The point I'm making is, if you told some guy from 600 B.C. that we fly around in giant vehicles in the sky, and drive other metal vehicles around, anduse everyday appliances such as dish washers, microwaves, TV', PC's, etc. they'd think we were either nuts or possessed.

Nick · 12-24-2005, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Great Tyrant:
Problem with a philosophy class is that it will, in practice, wind up being used as a defacto christian religion class.

Bomby · 12-27-2005, 02:21 AM

God very intellectually designed evolution.

***CaptHayfever*** · 12-27-2005, 11:36 AM

^That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
All that other "I.D. Theory" bull is....well, bull.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Chronos · 12-28-2005, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Great Tyrant:
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Problem with a philosophy class is that it will, in practice, wind up being used as a defacto christian religion class.

</font>[/quote]Making a post consisting entirely of your own quote. Gee, there's no ego there.....

Nick · 01-03-2006, 02:26 AM

Stop making me restate the point.

Dusty · 01-03-2006, 06:20 PM

^Your point is invalid. I go to school in an extremely conservative community (average income $200,000+; largest churches are Catholic and Pentecostal), and our religious studies course balances each faith equally. Our philosophy course doesn't even talk about religion, except in the case of philosophers like Kierkegaard.

I personally am an atheist, so I consider myself... if not unbiased, then equally biased against all religions.

Nick · 01-03-2006, 06:49 PM

As you have no proof, you can just as easily be talking out of your ass.

How exactly does it prove anything if the course doesn't talk about religion to begin with?

Dusty · 01-04-2006, 03:14 AM

^The religious studies course does, naturally, and it is not used to focus on Christianity. You're making a minute distinction. And why would I make it up? I agree with you more often than not.

Nick · 01-04-2006, 04:40 PM

Ah, you're talking about two seperate courses. Misread it.

The major problem with religious studies courses won't be seen in all areas, but it will show up significantly across the country. Religious studies is a hard subject to treat with a sense of neutrality, and its even harder to be all inclusive. Going into just the branches of Christianity is a course unto itself. That type of subject is really better left to outside sources, not the public school classroom. This doesn't even get into the human factor of an instructor injecting personal religious feelings in the classroom and teachings.

12-22-2005, 02:40 PM	#2
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12-22-2005, 02:00 PM	#1
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,320.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,820.00 Donate	http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf Even a Churchgoing Bush appointee knows its a crock.

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Sampson1986 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Glacier County, Montana Gender: Posts: 323 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts Points: 12,089.70 Bank: 585.83 Total Points: 12,675.53 Donate	As with any other controversial issue, this will go on, and on, and on...like the energizer rabbit. I doubt there will ever be a compromise that is suitable to both groups.

12-22-2005, 07:09 PM	#4
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,320.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,820.00 Donate	That's because there is no debate...it isn't science.

12-22-2005, 10:10 PM	#6
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,320.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,820.00 Donate	Problem with a philosophy class is that it will, in practice, wind up being used as a defacto christian religion class.

12-23-2005, 09:53 AM	#7
Legion Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Greater Mancester, UK Gender: Posts: 1,860 Thanks: 10 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts Points: 8,424.29 Bank: 6,647.77 Total Points: 15,072.06 Donate	See, this is why in the UK we have these wonderful things called 'Religious Study' classes. So the Christian lobby groups can shut up and go and do something else for a change. Like complaining about late-night operas on the BBC.

12-23-2005, 01:56 PM	#8
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12-23-2005, 07:51 PM	#9
Dusty Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under your bed Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,986.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,486.00 Donate	Religious studies is a great idea, especially if it's in the Bible belt. A historical perspective on Christianity with some in-depth Islam studies and all that. And hey, maybe read some essays by some atheist philosophers defending their viewpoint... but then again maybe I just like seeing car fires on CNN.

12-24-2005, 12:15 AM	#10
Chronos Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Gender: Posts: 288 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,030.62 Bank: 1,792.64 Total Points: 5,823.26 Donate	Yeah, them car fires sure are a beaut. Intelligent Design is no more a science than using a pile of bones to tell the future. My personal belief is that if God wanted us to know how He created the universe, He would have told us. The very concept that we think we know how God does and does not work is the very essence of blasphemy. Besides that, how do you think we would handle that knowledge? Let's a take a short trip back in time, shall we? God's talking to Abraham, and then says to him, "By the way, Abraham, did you know there used to be giant animals on this planet, some of which were over 30 feet tall, and could swallow you whole in one bite?" After running home to change his underwear, I'm sure the first thing Abraham would say is "WTF are you talking about, God? Are they still around? Are they going to kill me? Do I have to watch out for them?" The point I'm making is, if you told some guy from 600 B.C. that we fly around in giant vehicles in the sky, and drive other metal vehicles around, anduse everyday appliances such as dish washers, microwaves, TV', PC's, etc. they'd think we were either nuts or possessed.

12-27-2005, 02:21 AM	#12
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12-27-2005, 11:36 AM	#13
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Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,320.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,820.00 Donate	Stop making me restate the point.

01-03-2006, 06:20 PM	#16
Dusty Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under your bed Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,986.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,486.00 Donate	^Your point is invalid. I go to school in an extremely conservative community (average income $200,000+; largest churches are Catholic and Pentecostal), and our religious studies course balances each faith equally. Our philosophy course doesn't even talk about religion, except in the case of philosophers like Kierkegaard. I personally am an atheist, so I consider myself... if not unbiased, then equally biased against all religions.

01-03-2006, 06:49 PM	#17
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,320.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,820.00 Donate	As you have no proof, you can just as easily be talking out of your ass. How exactly does it prove anything if the course doesn't talk about religion to begin with?

01-04-2006, 03:14 AM	#18
Dusty Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under your bed Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,986.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,486.00 Donate	^The religious studies course does, naturally, and it is not used to focus on Christianity. You're making a minute distinction. And why would I make it up? I agree with you more often than not.

01-04-2006, 04:40 PM	#19
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,320.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,820.00 Donate	Ah, you're talking about two seperate courses. Misread it. The major problem with religious studies courses won't be seen in all areas, but it will show up significantly across the country. Religious studies is a hard subject to treat with a sense of neutrality, and its even harder to be all inclusive. Going into just the branches of Christianity is a course unto itself. That type of subject is really better left to outside sources, not the public school classroom. This doesn't even get into the human factor of an instructor injecting personal religious feelings in the classroom and teachings.