Megaupload shut down, company workers indicted - Page 2

Kil'jaeden · 01-22-2012, 05:11 PM

There goes Filesonic, and Fileserve is sure to follow. Depositfiles pays some uploaders, so I expect it to go too.

**Valigarmander** · 01-24-2012, 12:33 AM

https://plus.google.com/u/0/11131408...ts/HQJxDRiwAWq

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In December of 2011, just weeks before the takedown, Digital Music News reported on something new that the creators of #Megaupload were about to unroll. Something that would rock the music industry to its core. (Digital Music News - MegaUpload Is Now Launching a Music Service Called MegaBox...)

I present to you... MegaBox. MegaBox was going to be an alternative music store that was entirely cloud-based and offered artists a better money-making opportunity than they would get with any record label.

"UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings," MegaUpload founder Kim 'Dotcom' Schmitz told Torrentfreak

Not only did they plan on allowing artists to keep 90% of their earnings on songs that they sold, they wanted to pay them for songs they let users download for free.

"We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."

Not sure how legitimate this theory is, though.

**Deku Trii** · 01-24-2012, 06:42 AM

^Wow. Middle men don't take nicely to being cut out.

Kil'jaeden · 01-24-2012, 09:53 PM

That would be a pretty good deal. I have always wondered why the RIAA is so furious about how much money pirates are making off of their music. One would think they would see a good business model there, if it is really so profitable.

Well, I guess the main reason they would never be on board for that is that it makes their armies of suits less useful, and would entail less of a take for them. Not that they ever suffered much from a bad cut.

Kargath · 01-25-2012, 01:55 AM

If that's the reason, then why aren't they going after Bandcamp?

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-25-2012, 08:22 AM

Because Bandcamp doesn't have prominent examples of piracy to use as an excuse?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Kil'jaeden · 01-25-2012, 01:33 PM

I bet they would sue them if they could find a reason. A restaraunt was sued (over $40000 total) for playing music. I guess every bar in the country needs to be sued next, as well as those people who share CD's, anyone who ever had a party, and also most libraries.

Bomby · 01-25-2012, 01:49 PM

Sooner or later, people will get sued for listening to CDs/LPs/MP3s that they purchased.

Kil'jaeden · 01-25-2012, 01:51 PM

ALL YOUR MUSIC BELONGS TO US. SURRENDER YOUR MP3'S AND BEG FOR YOUR MISERABLE LIVES. RIAABOT WILL SHOW NO MERCY.

And then they burn people's houses with lasers.

Kargath · 01-25-2012, 07:40 PM

Kil, you do need a public performance license if you're making money off playing it in public.

Kil'jaeden · 01-25-2012, 09:40 PM

Restaraunts and bars don't make money from playing music. If they stretched the definition any further, then the people who hang around empty lots on weekends using cars for music should all be sued as well. Even so much as playing music at a party you throw, or a wedding, would be worthy of a lawsuit not less than $50000, as if it harmed them in some way.

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-25-2012, 11:23 PM

^Live bands in bars get paid. If they play covers & get paid, then they need a public performance license. Luckily, those are easy & cheap enough to get.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Kil'jaeden · 01-25-2012, 11:32 PM

I was not thinking of live bands.

Random User · 01-25-2012, 11:33 PM

Guys we can't talk about MP3's that's illegal now.

Kil'jaeden · 01-25-2012, 11:47 PM

If they really want to go after something, it's libraries. They rent out CD's and movies for free. That means, though the library paid for one or two copies, many people are going to use those copies, meaning they will not pay for the movie. That means for every sale to the library they will lose dozens, even hundreds or thousands of sales for the movie. Same for CD's, not to mention how easy it is to borrow them to rip MP3's and return them. Think about the lost revenue. The RIAA and MPAA need to sue every library they can into oblivion.

And yes, someone will say that most libraries are public ones, but that just means the municipal governments will have to pay up. Or they can go through the records to sue as many people that borrowed it as possible.

Even worse, there are places where people go to rent movies for a fee. Sure, these places buy new movies in fairly high amounts (depending on popularity), but each one will be rented by many people, meaning thousands upon thousands of lost sales. And these criminals make money off this. Even worse, they then sell off most of their new stock at a lower price than retail, whch means each one purchased by someone in this way is another lost sale.

Kargath · 01-26-2012, 01:19 AM

Clearly you've never heard of Public Lending Right or the special deals movie rental places have with studios.

Kil'jaeden · 01-26-2012, 02:06 AM

I know. My point is, they base a lot on nebulous figures of lost sales. These things all cause lost sales. Or potentially, since you can't exactly count them.

01-22-2012, 05:11 PM	#21
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	There goes Filesonic, and Fileserve is sure to follow. Depositfiles pays some uploaders, so I expect it to go too.

01-24-2012, 06:42 AM	#23
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	^Wow. Middle men don't take nicely to being cut out.

01-24-2012, 09:53 PM	#24
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	That would be a pretty good deal. I have always wondered why the RIAA is so furious about how much money pirates are making off of their music. One would think they would see a good business model there, if it is really so profitable. Well, I guess the main reason they would never be on board for that is that it makes their armies of suits less useful, and would entail less of a take for them. Not that they ever suffered much from a bad cut.

01-25-2012, 01:55 AM	#25
Kargath et in Arcadia ego Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 8,334 Thanks: 1,226 Thanked 780 Times in 488 Posts	If that's the reason, then why aren't they going after Bandcamp?

01-25-2012, 08:22 AM	#26
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,659 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	Because Bandcamp doesn't have prominent examples of piracy to use as an excuse? And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-25-2012, 01:33 PM	#27
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	I bet they would sue them if they could find a reason. A restaraunt was sued (over $40000 total) for playing music. I guess every bar in the country needs to be sued next, as well as those people who share CD's, anyone who ever had a party, and also most libraries.

01-25-2012, 01:49 PM	#28
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Sooner or later, people will get sued for listening to CDs/LPs/MP3s that they purchased.

01-25-2012, 01:51 PM	#29
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	ALL YOUR MUSIC BELONGS TO US. SURRENDER YOUR MP3'S AND BEG FOR YOUR MISERABLE LIVES. RIAABOT WILL SHOW NO MERCY. And then they burn people's houses with lasers.

01-25-2012, 07:40 PM	#30
Kargath et in Arcadia ego Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 8,334 Thanks: 1,226 Thanked 780 Times in 488 Posts	Kil, you do need a public performance license if you're making money off playing it in public.

01-25-2012, 09:40 PM	#31
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	Restaraunts and bars don't make money from playing music. If they stretched the definition any further, then the people who hang around empty lots on weekends using cars for music should all be sued as well. Even so much as playing music at a party you throw, or a wedding, would be worthy of a lawsuit not less than $50000, as if it harmed them in some way.

01-25-2012, 11:23 PM	#32
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,659 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^Live bands in bars get paid. If they play covers & get paid, then they need a public performance license. Luckily, those are easy & cheap enough to get. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-25-2012, 11:32 PM	#33
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	I was not thinking of live bands.

01-25-2012, 11:33 PM	#34
Random User Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Equestrian Republic of Spanglidesh Gender: Posts: 3,559 Thanks: 320 Thanked 195 Times in 143 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Guys we can't talk about MP3's that's illegal now.

01-25-2012, 11:47 PM	#35
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	If they really want to go after something, it's libraries. They rent out CD's and movies for free. That means, though the library paid for one or two copies, many people are going to use those copies, meaning they will not pay for the movie. That means for every sale to the library they will lose dozens, even hundreds or thousands of sales for the movie. Same for CD's, not to mention how easy it is to borrow them to rip MP3's and return them. Think about the lost revenue. The RIAA and MPAA need to sue every library they can into oblivion. And yes, someone will say that most libraries are public ones, but that just means the municipal governments will have to pay up. Or they can go through the records to sue as many people that borrowed it as possible. Even worse, there are places where people go to rent movies for a fee. Sure, these places buy new movies in fairly high amounts (depending on popularity), but each one will be rented by many people, meaning thousands upon thousands of lost sales. And these criminals make money off this. Even worse, they then sell off most of their new stock at a lower price than retail, whch means each one purchased by someone in this way is another lost sale.

01-26-2012, 01:19 AM	#36
Kargath et in Arcadia ego Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 8,334 Thanks: 1,226 Thanked 780 Times in 488 Posts	Clearly you've never heard of Public Lending Right or the special deals movie rental places have with studios.

01-26-2012, 02:06 AM	#37
Kil'jaeden Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: in your mind Gender: Posts: 2,132 Thanks: 21 Thanked 146 Times in 99 Posts	I know. My point is, they base a lot on nebulous figures of lost sales. These things all cause lost sales. Or potentially, since you can't exactly count them.