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| The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,211 Thanks: 1,611 Thanked 5,552 Times in 2,499 Posts Blog Entries: 18 | Holy crap. ![]() I can't believe that after all this time, I never noticed this. Even after seeing so much official art, I never saw the sprite that way until I had a WTF moment this morning. ...He looks cooler now. |
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| No avatar, no justice, no dreams, no hope! Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,472 Thanks: 732 Thanked 1,158 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 10 | I don't see that at all. Must e the zoomed-in sprite, or the fact that you were 3 years old then, making that image implanted into your mind. |
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| Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 28,363 Thanks: 2,334 Thanked 1,698 Times in 917 Posts | I see what you see, but I never saw it before. That's kinda funny though. X-3, take the little grey jewel on the sprite's forehead and make it into his eye. The headband around it becomes his skin and the black of his eyes becomes the face-covering. |
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| Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,747 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 682 Times in 463 Posts | I never thought of that, but I think seeing Shadow's dreams disproves this. -CSM |
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Pensacola, FL alternatively, The Spriters' Resource Gender: Posts: 5,311 Thanks: 10 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts | Yeah, I can't see it at all, haha. Though I had a similar thing with Yakra. ![]() I thought the horns were his eyes. |
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| *Admin* "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,198 Thanks: 1,510 Thanked 1,718 Times in 992 Posts | Uhh all the sprites in that game were so well made, how could you possibly have thought the coolest character was poorly done like that? XD I never saw that, and have trouble seeing it intentionally. ^ That's pretty great, but again, I'm having trouble seeing it. |
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| Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 27,473 Thanks: 1,973 Thanked 5,121 Times in 2,320 Posts | Actually, since this just came up elsewhere, here's one of my biffs with M&L:SS ![]() Look at the upper left corner. What you're intended to see is a grass plateau atop a short vertical incline, raised above the sandy ground. What I saw on default is a grassy recession in the sandy ground. Some decent shading could've solved this, but instead I was looking at some crazy Escher-style weirdness. In games like LttP, they were able to avoid this kind of confusion through depth-shading and careful use of context. >_> |
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| Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 27,473 Thanks: 1,973 Thanked 5,121 Times in 2,320 Posts | Okay, let me point this out to you a little simpler: Why is there a shadow on both the left and right sides of the plateaus? Light doesn't do that. Why aren't there shadows on the grass? Light doesn't do that, either. If the edging of the grass is done with the same tone as the shading, what is stopping the viewer from seeing shading as edging? If those are shadows around the plateaus, why are they not varying lengths due to the height of the plateaus? Light doesn't do that. Here's a quick diagram. Assume that the "sun" size is exact, and the space it occupies is two dimensional, there is no Z-planar difference. This is what they should have done: ![]() Now, this is what they did: ![]() Even more bizarre is the comparison between the shadow of the block atop the higher plateau, and Mario/Luigi's shadow size as well as the para troopa's. Their distance from their respective casting surfaces is not of any great difference. Despite this, the shadow of the block is of identical 2D proportions to a bottom facet of the block. Mario and Luigi should cast a larger shadow based on these observations, and the troopa should cast a much larger shadow. Additionally, although this is more proper than I truly expect, the darkness of the shadow of any of the objects on screen should be comparable to the shadows cast by the plateaus, or at least the plateau shadows should be darker, and they should certainly be larger. What the f is going on. Last edited by the Octopus; 02-19-2010 at 11:00 AM. |
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| PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,247 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,238 Times in 885 Posts Blog Entries: 43 | Aiyiyi Ohhhh, I thought you meant the plateau on the left. ....never noticed that before. It seems like a lazy tileset creator that never cared for proper shadows. Though, One could argue that the sun is right above this area, allowing for the shadows to be the way they are, but honestly my mind is really bending over this now. |
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| *Admin* "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,198 Thanks: 1,510 Thanked 1,718 Times in 992 Posts | Nope, no argument about direct sunlight. There wouldn't be any shadowing to either side of the landmass if it were overhead. Their weird purpley discolouration of the sand is meant to be some kind of dodgy everywhere-at-once shadow, and it's just sad. Because fail. XD |
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| Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 27,473 Thanks: 1,973 Thanked 5,121 Times in 2,320 Posts | Well, Tazy, you almost got it. I am still trying to point out that the plateau angle is reversible, and it's enabled that way because of the lack of appropriate shadows or shading. There are a lot of problems going on that enable it, but that's the most obvious one. Here's another observation: the line at the top of the plateau's edge is darker than the line that should be in shadow, where it meets the sand. The line in shadow should be darker than the higher line, if it changes tone; that is another way to indicate depth. Another thing I find bizarre about the image is how the lines at the base of the plateaus have this waving pattern that is totally out of sync with the lines at the top of the plateaus - they very with much greater depth than the lines at the "top." It's not totally unexplainable, but it appears as though the lower cliff face is not supporting the higher cliff face. In fact, the way that the lower line varies with such greater depth is in reverse of what an artist should observe; it is drawn in such a way that the lower line more closely resembles what should be the edge of a cliff than the higher line. So, when I'm looking at the image, the broken plateau shadow is merely edging around the top plateau, and the top line is supporting the bottom line. The more you know about how the image should be composed to indicate space, it looks like an impossible abstraction. |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Floating aimlessly somewhere. Gender: Posts: 2,938 Thanks: 284 Thanked 118 Times in 95 Posts Blog Entries: 4 | ^ I never noticed any of that before you pointed it out... Also notice the shadow of the ! Block is not lined up, proving the sun isn`t directly above the area. |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,767 Thanks: 75 Thanked 196 Times in 120 Posts | I thought Valkyrie's shields were attached to her bow for awhile. When she got a sword I realized they were floating in mid-air. (I wasn't paying attention to her attacking animation; I was more focused on making sure Lawfer, Jun, Aelia, and Kashel's hits connected) |
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| The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,211 Thanks: 1,611 Thanked 5,552 Times in 2,499 Posts Blog Entries: 18 | Here's one I did a while ago. ![]() As a kid, I used to think certain sections of the cupboards in SMRPG were scary-looking faces (the cups are the eyes, the plates make a creepy grin, and the board in between was a really long nose). Creeped me out for a while until I realized they were just dishes. Ahh, the power of a child's imagination. |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Not in jail anymore, yay! Gender: Posts: 3,482 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 185 Times in 118 Posts | ^ I CAN'T UN-SEE IT |
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