Zelda Mini-Mafia 2: TOWNIES WIN!

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

*sigh*

This is a Mafia game.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

You're supposed to lie.

Have we established that, yet? OKAY~

I'm not defending ian, I just don't care if he wins You want to go on about how this does not equal that, well Independent does not equal anti-Town.

If Blake becomes a stump, he is no longer counted towards the overall total of Townies living, Therefore, it is no better or worse than him dying.

I don't like how erratic Blake's playing. Why? Because that was his behaviour when he was Mafia in a previous game. The games he's on the good side, he's just ultra chill and speaks sanely.

Oh, and a final note... you're supposed to lie.

[X-3]

That's a bit harsh for a one time offense, is it not...?

Ian admitted to "wasting our time". Lynch him and end his lies.

...and when you lie, you eventually get your ass kicked. Like Ian's should be. *No offense to Ian*

He admitted to wasting our damn time. He's not thinking pro-town, thus he should be killed.

[Blake]

I would argue that when I'm mafia I'm much less talkative.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

ian used a ploy to achieve his win condition.

Seriously, what is so terrible about that?

...Actually, I AM defending ian. Because he's playing the way I would, and I think you're all overreacting to a playing style.

ian, I commend you for your efforts. I don't think you should die for being an Independent. Not when your lynching loses us Blake to a stump ANYWAY.

I'm a filthy liar, and you ALL are too~

[Blake]

I can eat it at will. So if you guys want me dead tomorrow I'll save time.

[Daos]

Let's not get personal people.

[X-3]

^That probably was referring to me. Sorry, Ian, for being nasty.

[I am nobody]

So... Are we just going to let it stay like this until the end of today?

[Daos]

I'm stepping out for a bit to see a movie with some friends. I'm trusting all of you to be honest enough that if someone recieves the needed number of votes while I am gone you will be respectful and not change it.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

I don't see why not; let the Hero and Mafia decide

[Blake]

I guarantee the mafia won't kill me tonight.

[I am nobody]

^Is that because you are one?

[Blake]

Most likely today.

Nope. Because I have a night big hazy cloud of suspicion.

[Mikhail Gorbachev]

Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

*sigh*

This is a Mafia game.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

You're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

I'm not defending ian, I just don't care if he wins You want to go on about how this does not equal that, well Independent does not equal anti-Town.

He's a Lyncher. His win condition is fulfilled if he lynches a certain townie. That isn't anti-town to you?
And Serial Killers are Independent. Are they not anti-town either?

If Blake becomes a stump, he is no longer counted towards the overall total of Townies living, Therefore, it is no better or worse than him dying.

Wrong. Either we waste a lynch or a vigging on him which could have been used on a mafia.
A stump has much more power than a dead player. They can talk, form arguments, expose scum, etc. A dead player can't do that.

Oh, and a final note... you're supposed to lie.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.
That you're 'supposed to lie' only justifies antitown action, not protown action.
ian lied to acheive antitown ends.

ian used a ploy to achieve his win condition.

Seriously, what is so terrible about that?

I don't think anyone said it was terrible. Just antitown. Sure, he's doing what he's supposed to be doing this game, and that's not 'terrible' or anything, it's just that, you know, townies are supposed to get rid of anti-town players. I'd that's obvious.
'Oh, he might be mafia, but what's so bad about that? We shouldn't lynch him, he just wants to acheive his win condition'

...Actually, I AM defending ian. Because he's playing the way I would, and I think you're all overreacting to a playing style.

No, I'm reacting to the fact that he is antitown.

Really SD, why are you trying to argue that we shouldn't try to win the game?

[Blake]

Should my meat be stolen I'll let you guys know about it too.

[I am nobody]

Blake: Can you give us your full role title? All you said was you were moblin.

[Blake]

I am The Hungry Moblin, Grumbly Stomach, Townie

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

Lynchers need a single person dead, and in this case, a person who hadn't done anything to further my trust in him.

Serial Killers just kill wantonly until the end of the game.

I'm sure you can see the difference, and no one will even need to hold your hand!

Yes, "good reason". This reminds me of all the bitching in Survivor. "YOU LIED TO ME crycry"; it's a game where lying is one of the core components. You want to stick lying only to the bad guys? You're guilible, then. Did I have a good enough reason for "lying" last game? Do you cast your almighty judgement upon me? Would you get anywhere for lynching an Independant, as opposed to finding the rest of the Mafia instead?

Haven't I said it clear enough yet? I don't CARE if an Independent wins first. It happened last game, it didn't offend me, it didn't ruin my game, it didn't make me some terrible person who hates winning with my own conditions. I don't care that it's ian's win condition. I care that Blake hasn't done anything worthy of me removing my vote. I don't care if ian wins for it. I don't even really care if we "lose", because I'm playing this the way I play Mafia games. Winning isn't everything, but it'll be mighty fine if we achieve that.

Killing a single Town person isn't specifically anti-Town. It's anti-whoever-you-target-is. I'm sure at some stage a Lyncher HAS had a Mafia target. Oh wait, I'm a liar and support only anti-town actions. Don't listen to what I have to say. I'm probably just trying to get you to lynch your Hero. Oh no, wait now, I'm still lying. Damn.

[Blake]

Well admittedly, SD isn't going to change her vote today after all I've done.

[Mikhail Gorbachev]

Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

Lynchers need a single person dead, and in this case, a person who hadn't done anything to further my trust in him.

Serial Killers just kill wantonly until the end of the game.

I'm sure you can see the difference, and no one will even need to hold your hand!

Whether an indie needs everyone dead or just one townie dead, he's still antitown.
Please explain to me what ian's done to further your trust in him, because I haven't seen him do anything of the sort.

Yes, "good reason". This reminds me of all the bitching in Survivor. "YOU LIED TO ME crycry"; it's a game where lying is one of the core components. You want to stick lying only to the bad guys? You're guilible, then.

You're missing the point. It's not about emo **** about distrust or something, the reason townies shouldn't lie constantly without thinking of the consequences is because confusion is the most powerful weapon the mafia has. The disadvantage the town has to the mafia is that they have virtually no information besides their own role, and if the town wants to win they have to figure stuff out. Lying does not help in that regard.

Did I have a good enough reason for "lying" last game? Do you cast your almighty judgement upon me?

I hardly remember that, you were a cop and said you were a Lyncher, right? What was your reason again? Either way, you should've just said you were cop. Lying there didn't help at all, but caused minor confusion. A 'pretty good reason' would be when you implied but didn't blatantly state that you investigated Tazy.

Would you get anywhere for lynching an Independant, as opposed to finding the rest of the Mafia instead?

To be honest, it would be ideal to lynch a mafioso today, but we have little to work off of, and a Lyncher is much better to get rid of than a townie. It's a fair deal imo to lynch someone known to be antitown but not a real threat than to mislynch and kill a townie. I'd rather have you lynched than ian, since I know he's not mafia and you're really looking like you are right now.