Zelda Mini-Mafia 2: TOWNIES WIN!

[heh]

Originally Posted by Mikhail Gorbachev

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.

If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.


He's a Lyncher. His win condition is fulfilled if he lynches a certain townie. That isn't anti-town to you?
And Serial Killers are Independent. Are they not anti-town either?


Wrong. Either we waste a lynch or a vigging on him which could have been used on a mafia.
A stump has much more power than a dead player. They can talk, form arguments, expose scum, etc. A dead player can't do that.


If you're protown, you don't unless you have a damn good reason.
That you're 'supposed to lie' only justifies antitown action, not protown action.
ian lied to acheive antitown ends.


I don't think anyone said it was terrible. Just antitown. Sure, he's doing what he's supposed to be doing this game, and that's not 'terrible' or anything, it's just that, you know, townies are supposed to get rid of anti-town players. I'd that's obvious.
'Oh, he might be mafia, but what's so bad about that? We shouldn't lynch him, he just wants to acheive his win condition'


No, I'm reacting to the fact that he is antitown.

Really SD, why are you trying to argue that we shouldn't try to win the game?

Originally Posted by Mikhail Gorbachev

Whether an indie needs everyone dead or just one townie dead, he's still antitown.
Please explain to me what ian's done to further your trust in him, because I haven't seen him do anything of the sort.


You're missing the point. It's not about emo **** about distrust or something, the reason townies shouldn't lie constantly without thinking of the consequences is because confusion is the most powerful weapon the mafia has. The disadvantage the town has to the mafia is that they have virtually no information besides their own role, and if the town wants to win they have to figure stuff out. Lying does not help in that regard.


I hardly remember that, you were a cop and said you were a Lyncher, right? What was your reason again? Either way, you should've just said you were cop. Lying there didn't help at all, but caused minor confusion. A 'pretty good reason' would be when you implied but didn't blatantly state that you investigated Tazy.


To be honest, it would be ideal to lynch a mafioso today, but we have little to work off of, and a Lyncher is much better to get rid of than a townie. It's a fair deal imo to lynch someone known to be antitown but not a real threat than to mislynch and kill a townie. I'd rather have you lynched than ian, since I know he's not mafia and you're really looking like you are right now.

quotin dis for emphasis.

SD how about this: Blake is not guaranteed to turn up mafia. Sure hes scummy as hell, but he could turn up anti-town, and then we lose IAN, who is anti-town but can't do **** with us still knowing about it. If Blake dies we could lose a townie AND and another dude, who is harmless and gives us another guy between us and mafia victory.

Also, we can have Blake investigated. Fnord?

also if we have a vig and you kill blake when we are trying to investigate him i will be pissed

oh yeah and DONT LIE AS TOWN

[CuccoLady]

Why did no one defend ME when I was independent?

Anyway, I agree with TG... it's definitely best to lynch someone we KNOW IS NOT TOWN than to take chances...albeit small ones... on someone else.

IAN, my vote sticks.

[Daos]

Votes

Ian: TG, CL, X-3, Mikhail, (4)
Blake: SD, AI, S1x, Ian (4)

With 10 left it takes 6 to lynch.

[Blake]

Fnord's investigation will probably turn me up as Mafia, but I guess it's your call.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

Withdraw vote: Blake




I'm sorry.
Vote: ian

[The Missing Link]

Back in town, peoples. Catching up on the leagues of text you guys generated. o_o; Christ. 14 pages is a lot of stuff! XD Will be posting thoughts, momentarily as I finish coalescing the posts that look interesting.

For now, alls I say is... awesome job to whomever killed our Mafioso last night!

[Mikhail Gorbachev]

Also, we can have Blake investigated. Fnord?

Um
why would I investigate someone who claimed miller?

oh hey TML

[The Missing Link]

Alright... so here's the story. I read the past 14 (15?) pages as quickly as I could to get caught up, and boy... there's some interesting things to be said here. o_o; Now, I want to caveat this... I'm tired. I've been "conning" (I really wouldn't call GDC a con, but I want to verb the word, and that sounds better) for three days straight with insufficient sleep, so my thoughts may sound erratic. Also, some of these things might have been covered or even resolved already, and so if I'm beating a dead horse (or worse, beating a horse I think is dead but really isn't and has already wandered away), please forgive me. x_x;

First and foremost, I find something VERY suspicious here:

Originally Posted by i_am_nobody

I am the Angry Old Man, Peeved Door Owner, Independant

I'm mad that someone broke down my expensive door. Because of this, I can interogate one player every night. I find out if they are "evil" or "town". I also find out if they broke down my door. When I find the person who did, I win.

Ian, something sounds VERY sketchy here in this roleclaim. I mean, it literally reeks. There are two points of data in here that seem to be very contradictory: (1) You're independent, and (2) you detect others' alignment. Now, you'll have to pardon me for just a moment, but, if your role claim is legit, your ambitions aren't the same as the rest of us as I see it. That's the whole nature of independent players; they don't necessarily have it in their best interest to help the Town out. So, at the very least, I have to call into question the alignment that you saw on Blake... or at the least your reason for revealing it. However, that's not the thing that deeply concerns me.

Originally Posted by i_am_nobody

No. Blake broke down my door according to my role PM.

What the hell would alignment give you ANYWAY? By your role claim, you're looking for the person who tried to burn your door down. You've claimed that you know exactly who it was who did that. So, therefore, why would alignment give you anything? This smells like a very bad claim.

FoS: Ian

Originally Posted by Daos

For the remainder of Day 2 Blake's votes will not count.

So, now here's what I see: Blake incurred a penalty for posting over the 17-word limit of Poison. Now, I'm not sure about you, but I can't think of a single good character in the game that could do something like poison someone. So, my honest-to-gosh hunch is that the person who did this was Mafia.

However, no one has claimed a bus driver role yet, and truth be told, I always think it's usually a much safer assumption to assume that actions happen as we see them than to presume that (1) a bus driver exists and (2) the bus driver happened to be "lucky" and pick the right candidate*. This is especially true given that we were on Night One and that the bus driver would have been literally switching people at random. So, right now, I'm of mind to lean slightly in the direction of trusting Blake. I say this despite the fact that Blake's actions today haven't looked the best.

Right now, if I had to vote between Ian and Blake, I would go with Ian. However, considering I've been gone for the past four days, I want to stew on this a little bit before I actually vote on it. As I said before, these thoughts I'm having are just my quick reactions to everything I've seen so far. If I've got some erroneous data in there, someone please correct me.


* UNLESS there is something that is blatantly wrong in the data (see Mafia II with Blake's picture).

[I am nobody]

There is. I've already said twice that I used that claim as a cover up to lynch Blake.

[the Octopus]

^ Is that an admission that you have a lynch requirement?

TML really caught a couple things and put them in red for me, in addition to TG's points at the top of this page. Having reviewed all of the last few pages as well, I have to agree. Ian is independent and most likely anti-town, and at least untrustworthy. I think he's a lyncher.

At first, I was skeptical that Blake had actually been poisoned. He could have merely been playing at it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere did Daos affirm that he was in fact poisoned, until this new penalty occurred. Also, Blake could have been poisoned as a mafia to convince us all he's not, as it would appear he has been using it to avoid answering important questions. If I missed some answers somewhere, someone educate me, but I believe he has outright avoided SD's questions. I think he's hiding something.

Retract Vote: Blake.

Reaffirm FoS: Blake


Vote: i am nobody

[Blake]

Thanks guys. I'll co-operate better tomorrow. Now Doc protect Mikhail please.

[Daos]

Votes

Ian: TG, CL, X-3, Mikhail, SD, AI (6)
Blake: S1x, Ian (2)

The people used the day to stand around arguing. One voice started to ring out more then any of the others. An old man climbed up onto one of the bushes and started accusing one of the others as to being evil. The truth was a few days ago he had his door broken down, his nice expensive door that had cost him a fortune. He was out for revenge and would not rest now until he had seen the culprit hanged for his transgression.
The argument shifted back and forth in between the two people. Everyone else started to take sides. Eventually most people shifted their sides towards the accused. The old man was grabbed and marched up Death Mountain, where large rocks continued to fall. They reached the top and with a shove pushed him off, he fell quite unlike the rocks instead it most comical, you should have seen it.
I_am_nobody was Angry Old Man, Peeved Door Owner, Independant

Night Two Begins
Day Three will begin Monday night at 9 PM Central Time or when I have all night actions.

Send in those night actions.

[X-3]

Hmm.

See you guys in the morning...hopefully.

[heh]

oh yeah i forgot he was miller

errr i guess we just vig him then.

honestly blake seems a bit improbable to be a mafia AND a lynch target, but he does reek as scum... or indy... i'm so conflicted

[CuccoLady]

WOOOOO!!!!

...Well, it wasn't a mafioso, but at the very least we didn't lynch a townie!!

...The number 2 is bad luck for indies, eh?

NIGHT, EVERYONE!!

[S1x]

*slides back into topic*

Ew, I missed the conclusion, but oh well. I wanted the kill vote AI

Oh well, hopefully things will be clearer tomorrow. Good night for now...

[I am nobody]

Alright... Can you at least kill Blake tommorow?

[The Missing Link]

Well, looks like I didn't get a chance to reconsider everything after all... oh well...

It sucks that Ian is non-Mafia, but at the same time, it looks like Ian was certainly an anti-Town Independent; if that's the case, then we're certainly better off. Well, onwards to Day Three, I guess.

[the Octopus]

That's a success, I'd say. I hope we can get some mafia tonight, again. Otherwise, the game might get grim.

[ZeldaGirl]

Finally, ian has died in a mafia game.