Zelda Mini-Mafia 2: TOWNIES WIN!

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Kirby

Personally, I'll probably not use any fake claims if I was a Mafioso, even if I was given them. I still have to come up with an ability to go with them, and if I hit someone else's ability, then I'm dead meat. I'd probably just give up, especially if I was investigated. Can't fight an investigation...

investigations arn't hard to fight, kill them. discredit them early. its really easy if they claim early, you can counter claim, you can call them idiots for not confirming sanity (which is true also), and you can call them filthy mafia liars. never trust a cop until hes confirmed.

also you can counter by not getting investigated, and of course you can just spam roleblocks at them.

i hate mafia who give up. claim! your not doing any good not doing anything. your death hurts your team, not just yourself.

also townies aren't supposed to lie, lying is anti-town

i'm srsly considering running the "**** COPS" variant i was considering of the mini i plan to eventually run. all this cop business grr

[The Missing Link]

S_K... tsk tsk. Never in the history of Mafia has there been a rule stating that there couldn't be two of any single ability... Only in Minis, probably, will you ever find that restriction... but in big games, the sky is the limit really.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

Lying is anti-Town because you have decreed it so. Not all of us think that, and you better expect me to lie more as a Townie than I do as Mafia.

[The Missing Link]

There are certainly good times to lie as a Townie. If you're the doctor, and you're backed into role claiming, it miiiiiight not be a good idea if you cannot protect yourself.

[Microphone_Kirby]

Originally Posted by That Guy

investigations arn't hard to fight, kill them. discredit them early. its really easy if they claim early, you can counter claim, you can call them idiots for not confirming sanity (which is true also), and you can call them filthy mafia liars. never trust a cop until hes confirmed.

also you can counter by not getting investigated, and of course you can just spam roleblocks at them.

i hate mafia who give up. claim! your not doing any good not doing anything. your death hurts your team, not just yourself.

You vindictive little bastard... you'd love to see a Mafioso struggle to save his own a**, would you?

If I had a choice (when I was investigated and caught as a Mafioso) between Roleclaiming a given role and giving in to the investigation and try to lynch myself, I choose the Latter. At least I wouldn't give the other Mafioso a chance to reveal themselves or the Townies to find out. I'd sooner Modkill Suicide than give the Townies a chance to extract any info from me.

Originally Posted by The Missing Link

S_K... tsk tsk. Never in the history of Mafia has there been a rule stating that there couldn't be two of any single ability... Only in Minis, probably, will you ever find that restriction... but in big games, the sky is the limit really.

But on the same side? Very unlikely.

Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

Lying is anti-Town because you have decreed it so. Not all of us think that, and you better expect me to lie more as a Townie than I do as Mafia.

Then... Vote: Saria Dragon
Expect that a lot, especially from me.

Originally Posted by The Missing Link

There are certainly good times to lie as a Townie. If you're the doctor, and you're backed into role claiming, it miiiiiight not be a good idea if you cannot protect yourself.

If you get lynched, you won't be around to save anyone as a Doctor. If a doctor is caught Lying, would he/she be believed again if he/she Roleclaims Truthfully? I don't think so. He/She won't be able to have the chance to.

[The Missing Link]

Originally Posted by Shadow_Kirby

If I had a choice (when I was investigated and caught as a Mafioso) between Roleclaiming a given role and giving in to the investigation and try to lynch myself, I choose the Latter. At least I wouldn't give the other Mafioso a chance to reveal themselves or the Townies to find out. I'd sooner Modkill Suicide than give the Townies a chance to extract any info from me.

Hey, I did my best to try to save my own skin this time. I was close-ish too. I at least kept them guessing for a little while longer than they should have. I mean, Mikhail's investigation should have sealed the deal. Yet everyone got so concerned about what it would mean if they truly were wrong...

It's possible to weasel your way out of it. I mean, there have been some very valiant efforts to do so. You just have to know when someone is bluffing and when they're not. I've led lynch runs against Mafia on half of a bluff... and they could have easily escaped them... if only they hadn't reacted quite so negatively to it.

But on the same side? Very unlikely.

You never know. Well... I know. I have the roles written up. *cackle* But for the record, there have been two investigators before: Mafia Round II.

If you get lynched, you won't be around to save anyone as a Doctor. If a doctor is caught Lying, would he/she be believed again if he/she Roleclaims Truthfully? I don't think so. He/She won't be able to have the chance to.

The game isn't as black and white as you think it is, S_K. This game is about choosing when to divulge details. Look at TG's little white lie from this round: He was the doctor, and he claimed he couldn't protect himself... when he actually could. As the last Mafia, I might have been severely tempted by that, and had he protected himself, that would've been one more turn they could live.

Lying as a Townie is acceptable in extreme cases because outright honesty is dangerous.

[Kargath]

Lying to further your side's cause is A-OK.
Lying for the sake of lying is useless and annoying.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

But it's so much fun. Don't you ever just lie for the fun of it?

No?

*shrug* I'm a pretty terrible person, but I guarantee I'm happier for it.

SK, the whole idea is, as Mafia, you are supposed to do all you can to survive. Honestly, if you're going to act that way, I wouldn't be satisfied to have you on as a Mafia again, simply because I want the bad guys to fight if they're in a corner. And do you honestly have so little faith in yourself that you'd somehow give away your fellow Mafia just because someone pegged you? Do you consider yourself to crack so easily? If so, you probably have no place playing Mafia games anymore. That's taking the "pressure" of being "bad" a little too hard. I figured you'd be over that by now. >:[

[the Octopus]

So basically SK is saying he would make a horrible mafia, and would manage to implicate the other mafia by defending hisself? That's what I got.

If you don't lie in this game, or at least joke around, you're obviously not playing for fun. I don't have some immense need to win things like this, and that's why you guys kind of sucked all entertainment value out of the topic. I had to inject some into it. After all, making spastic posts was a lot funner than being pissed off about people gloating that I'm "losing" in a game with no way to defend myself but words.

TG: Everything on the mafia board sounds a little crazy because you're missing the AIM conversations between TML and myself, which made up the bulk of our investigation. I only posted in there while he wasn't online.

[Mikhail Gorbachev]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i'm srsly considering running the "**** COPS" variant i was considering of the mini i plan to eventually run. all this cop business grr

There's tons of ways around 'follow the cop.' Millers, investigation immune GFs, mafia Framers, insanity, etc.
I still prefer trackers/watchers to cops, though.

Originally Posted by The Missing Link

I mean, Mikhail's investigation should have sealed the deal. Yet everyone got so concerned about what it would mean if they truly were wrong...

Well, you all know how unconfident I am. There would've been two quicklynches if I wasn't afraid to take a little risk. I also was giving you a chance to try and defend yourself, but you didn't seem to try to take advantage of it.

[Microphone_Kirby]

Originally Posted by The Missing Link

Hey, I did my best to try to save my own skin this time. I was close-ish too. I at least kept them guessing for a little while longer than they should have. I mean, Mikhail's investigation should have sealed the deal. Yet everyone got so concerned about what it would mean if they truly were wrong...

Yeah... honestly, the investigator (Mikhail) was trustworthy! If I was still in there, I would've Voted you so quickly, Sonic the Hedgehog would think he's a snail!
But that's only "if"...

It's possible to weasel your way out of it. I mean, there have been some very valiant efforts to do so. You just have to know when someone is bluffing and when they're not. I've led lynch runs against Mafia on half of a bluff... and they could have easily escaped them... if only they hadn't reacted quite so negatively to it.

And why wouldn't they react negative to an investigation? They're essentially DEAD MEAT!!!

Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

But it's so much fun. Don't you ever just lie for the fun of it?

No?

No.

*shrug* I'm a pretty terrible person, but I guarantee I'm happier for it.

I'm not.
Vote: Saria Dragon
Expect this a lot from me, even when you least expect it.

SK, the whole idea is, as Mafia, you are supposed to do all you can to survive. Honestly, if you're going to act that way, I wouldn't be satisfied to have you on as a Mafia again, simply because I want the bad guys to fight if they're in a corner. And do you honestly have so little faith in yourself that you'd somehow give away your fellow Mafia just because someone pegged you? Do you consider yourself to crack so easily? If so, you probably have no place playing Mafia games anymore. That's taking the "pressure" of being "bad" a little too hard. I figured you'd be over that by now. >:[

1st ?: No. I don't play to survive, I play to WIN. Revealing the other Mafioso is NOT good strategy. But then again, I do have little faith in myself...
2nd ?: ... Yes.

And how would you feel if you have essentially the whole world (or at least "everyone") hate you for who you are or what you have become???
Wait... I don't expect you to understand:

*shrug* I'm a pretty terrible person, but I guarantee I'm happier for it.

Right?

Originally Posted by McSARS DOUBLE SARS

So basically SK is saying he would make a horrible mafia, and would manage to implicate the other mafia by defending hisself? That's what I got.

Yes, with special emphasis on the bold-underline statement.

If you don't lie in this game, or at least joke around, you're obviously not playing for fun. I don't have some immense need to win things like this, and that's why you guys kind of sucked all entertainment value out of the topic. I had to inject some into it. After all, making spastic posts was a lot funner than being pissed off about people gloating that I'm "losing" in a game with no way to defend myself but words.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! You finally (sort of) figured me out! I don't play for fun, I play to WIN!!! That's the attitude I ALWAYS have EVERY game I play!

... and if I can't win, I give up. No point fighting a truly hopeless battle.

Originally Posted by Mikhail Gorbachev

Well, you all know how unconfident I am. There would've been two quicklynches if I wasn't afraid to take a little risk. I also was giving you a chance to try and defend yourself, but you didn't seem to try to take advantage of it.

1: You should be a lot more confident in your ability. That is in black in white.

2: You ARE a vindictive bastard, letting TML have a chance to struggle instead of ending his misery...
Aren't you?

[The Missing Link]

Originally Posted by Mikhail Gorbachev

Well, you all know how unconfident I am. There would've been two quicklynches if I wasn't afraid to take a little risk. I also was giving you a chance to try and defend yourself, but you didn't seem to try to take advantage of it.

I think what kept me from defending myself further was that I don't think I could've survived two consecutive lynch runs, especially with my role claim being as specious as it was. It was probably possible if I really played up the the whole Mafia bus driver thing, but really, I had made the argument earlier in the game that it's safer to assume that things happened the way you see them, which is exactly what you guys were following.

*shrugs* I had honestly considered claiming bus driver the MOMENT you found AI guilty, but the thought came right after I had asked AI for his thoughts, meaning that it was too late to do that. My mistake. X) File that away for next time.

[the Octopus]

^^ Dude, you've got to get your priorities straight. It's not like you're getting something from winning. It doesn't make you better somehow. Besides, if I just gave up the ghost anytime someone waggled their finger at me, none of you would have anything to do in this game.

[Daos]

Well if I ever do another one expect one based off of A Link to the Past, because the old school Zelda games need their limelight also.

[X-3]

What about AoL? That would have some kickass roles.

[Daos]

Oh, here is a brief run down of the nights. Really some notes I made to keep things organized.

Night One
SK tries to open communications with CL
TG protects self with potion
SD kills Kargath
Mikhail investigates SK’s aligment
CL investigates Ian
S1x watches SD kill Kargath
TML kills SK
Kargath blocks Mikhail
AI poisons Blake

Night Two
TG protects Mikhail
Mikhail investigates AI
S1x watches Mikhail
SD kills CL
AI kills SD
AI poisons Blake
CL investigates TG

Night Three
Mikhail investigates TML
S1x watches TML
TG protects Mikhail
TML kills S1x

The way I was thinking it was if it was a mini it would be AoL if a full LttP. It would be interesting to work some kind of Dark World element into the LttP one.

[the Octopus]

LttP could have so many possible roles. I cal Kiki the monkey. OH, WAIT. VAMPIRE BAT.

[Daos]

I was thinking Flute Boy for you.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

Yeah, I'm happier for being a terrible person, mostly because I'm comfortable admitting I only need to look out for myself. I'm happy being honest and saying that I am selfish, and that's the only way you can actually find some happiness in this world. You want to talk about having everyone hate you? How about getting married and your best friends don't come to the wedding? You don't even hear from one of them afterwards. How about your bridesmaid freaking out and refusing to come? Don't even begin to think you're somehow more entitled to feel sorry for yourself and THAT can be an excuse for wussing out. This is a game. This isn't real life. This isn't about someone "hating you" or not. There are plenty of people with the skill to talk their way out of an Investigation result. Besides, you're not driven to submission by a need to win; you're terrified that you'll still fail even if you try to fight. Being pegged as Mafia doesn't mean you're going to out all the other Mafia unless you somehow get it into your head that you will. Then it'll happen and it'll be your own choice. Did I die when I "defended" you? Did I lose the game?

And GODDAMNIT PEOPLE FIGURE OUT THE DEFINITION OF WORDS BEFORE YOU USE THEM. How can Mikhail be "vindictive"? Is he doing his "job" as the Investigator by spitefully attacking people? Is he on some rampage to hurt everyone? Or is he maybe just playing to his role and win condition, and trying to have a bit of fun in the meantime, and THAT'S why he let TML try to defend himself?

[S1x]

The point where I stop having a lot of fun with these games and take every action/post overly seriously is the point where I need to take a break from these things, breathe some fresh air, and possibly play some Tetris.

Of course I follow my goal, but I'll also do random stuff like post that "Day five him play" thing. It's all just fun and entertainment.