SPOILERS What would be a good story for a Metroid Fusion 2? - Page 2

Lord_Zack · 05-04-2005, 05:14 AM

Dude, calm down. Take a deep breath and pay attention to logic and reality. The planet was incinerated. It as gone as Alderraan was after a New Hope. Zebes is now space dust.

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-04-2005, 11:29 AM

^^Wait, isn't that Zebes exploding?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Dai Grepher · 05-04-2005, 11:31 AM

No. That is Zebes after the blast.

Lord_Zack · 05-04-2005, 02:10 PM

No thats defanitly an explosion.

Codiekitty · 05-04-2005, 03:01 PM

That's not quite the explosion. In the game, the planet totally goes boom, making the screen go white and all, and then it leaves that cloud of space debris after the screen changes back.

That's not a planet. It's a cloud of space dust.

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Originally posted by A Singularity of Spacetime:
In fact, it occurs to me now that the metroid cells can mass-reproduce inside Samus' body, until they could re-form into full adult Metroids once again.

From that point, it could happen that the Metroids are "surgically removed" but they escape somehow.

Or perhaps they are ejected from Samus' body while in another planet.

... or better yet, they burst out of her chest. That's one big WTF, man.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[ May 04, 2005, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: CodieKitty ]

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-04-2005, 10:53 PM

^Directed by Ridley.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Dai Grepher · 05-04-2005, 11:49 PM

Space dust would not take that formation. If it were space dust then it would have been dispersed more unevenly. It looks like a planet, not a dust cloud. If the planet were destroyed then there would be debris flying out from the explosion. Instead, a large mass of motionless land is seen. That land even has shadows and glows with the light of the left over energy from the bomb. Dust would be sparse and transparent, especially if a blast that disintegrates rock is detonated.

The argument that it is dust and debris is baseless and is proved false by the screenshot.

Masamune · 05-05-2005, 08:01 AM

Can't you argue that in a different thread and not this one, man? As in, the one you already are debating it in?

Dai Grepher · 05-05-2005, 01:08 PM

The same issue applies to both topics.

Koga · 05-05-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by CaptHayfever:
^Directed by Ridley.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Scott? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-05-2005, 02:03 PM

No, my name is Al, not Scott.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Inferno Dragon · 05-06-2005, 12:15 AM

I think he meant the space dragon/pirate Ridley from the games.

Koga · 05-06-2005, 04:32 AM

No way! Are you sure about that?

Codiekitty · 05-06-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Inferno Dragon, king of the dragons:
I think he meant the space dragon/pirate Ridley from the games.

Because Koga, CaptHayfever, and myself seem to be the only people in this topic who've seen Alien...

Quote:

Originally posted by Dai Grepher:
Space dust would not take that formation. If it were space dust then it would have been dispersed more unevenly. It looks like a planet, not a dust cloud. If the planet were destroyed then there would be debris flying out from the explosion. Instead, a large mass of motionless land is seen. That land even has shadows and glows with the light of the left over energy from the bomb. Dust would be sparse and transparent, especially if a blast that disintegrates rock is detonated.

The argument that it is dust and debris is baseless and is proved false by the screenshot.

A lone screenshot like that doesn't say crap. You could say whatever the hell you wanted about any screen shot (maybe sans title screens).

No fully developed planet would look like a mushroom, especially not one made of rock (unless it got pelted by a helluva lot of meteors, but what are the chances of that happening in the seconds between the screen going white and when it shows the ball of dust?). A planet just starting its formation, maybe. But even a fully developed gas planet is spherical (not a perfect sphere, though. They bulge a little at the equator). Hell, stars are spherical. The only things I can think off that could possibly be nonspherical are meteors, which I don't want to hear about Zebes becoming.

In fact, if you look closely (or turn up the light on your monitor), you'll notice a very dark and very awkwardly shaped layer of dust just outside that dark purple layer you can easily see. You were saying something about barely visible dust?

Stuff glows when it gets really hot. Put a wire in a Bunsen burner and it glows red (the reason stuff glows is related to electrons, but I'm not going there). That's why stars glow. They're intensely hot balls of gas (actually, I think they're so hot, they're not even gas anymore, but the fourth phase of matter, plasma).

Now, you could argue about Zebes being reborn. After it gets blown into dust, it's all coming back together, getting ultra hot, being spun around, and starting the multi-million year cycle of becoming a new planet, but it didn't just magically become a new planet in a couple of seconds. Besides, it happens all the time. Most of the time a star explodes and becomes a nebula, which becomes a new star. Only the really enormous stars becomes black holes, and that's because of how much gravity they have (I forget the details, but when a supernova occurs, only the outside explodes instead of the entire star, while the inside implodes and becomes a black hole).

Samus ain't gonna be around in the millions of years it takes Zebes to be fully reborn. And anyone who pulls "cryogenic hibernation" or "cloning" out of their ass is getting a face hugger lobbed in their direction.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

dux_is_me · 05-06-2005, 12:02 PM

Let's not miss what Adam said about the Ice Beam. "Your current cellular makeup would reject that addition". Samus obtaining the Ice Beam (at the end of the game) can be a reason for the Metroids to "unstabilize" her body (I say it like that to prevent the Metroids having to escape through her chest. If she was "unstabilized", she could have surgery before something dangerous could happen).

To clarify: This has nothing to do with the exploding planet discussion. Just pointing out that the Metroids can "reject" the Ice Beam, and thus, it's a viable way of having Samus lose her powerups.

[ May 06, 2005, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: A Singularity of Spacetime ]

Codiekitty · 05-06-2005, 12:12 PM

The reason for that is because Samus was part metroid, and metroids hate ice. The serum didn't implant a metroid in her chest, it made her part metroid. Being part metroid, she couldn't handle the cold. That's why her life meter starts plummeting if you enter the freezer where Ridley's body is kept before getting the suit that shelters her. The ice beam was... well, ice, so obviously she couldn't have handled it.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Koga · 05-06-2005, 12:21 PM

I actually haven't seen Alien, Codie. I have seen a couple of other films by Ridley Scott like Bladerunner, Matchstick Men and Gladiator.

I knew Ridley Scott before I new Metroid's Ridley.

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-06-2005, 01:37 PM

Well, a lot of Metroid was based on Alien, and the dragon's name is a reference to the director.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

DELICIOUS POISON · 05-06-2005, 03:26 PM

Oh, come on now. There are no metroids in Samus's chest.

dux_is_me · 05-08-2005, 08:01 AM

I'm a sick guy.

And I'm just trying to pose a hypothesis. Given the Metroid DNA, it can still reproduce until it reforms into a complete Metroid again. And even if there were no Metroids inside her chest, the Metroid DNA in her cells would still reject the Ice Beam in some form, which would eventually require her to go under treatment once again.

05-04-2005, 05:14 AM	#21
Lord_Zack Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 752 Thanks: 22 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 12,660.55 Bank: 2,590.48 Total Points: 15,251.03 Donate	Dude, calm down. Take a deep breath and pay attention to logic and reality. The planet was incinerated. It as gone as Alderraan was after a New Hope. Zebes is now space dust.

05-04-2005, 11:29 AM	#22
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,803 Thanks: 265 Thanked 943 Times in 574 Posts Points: 118,160.68 Bank: 1,884.44 Total Points: 120,045.11 Donate	^^Wait, isn't that Zebes exploding? And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

05-04-2005, 11:31 AM	#23
Dai Grepher TEH METRIOD GOOROO!!! !!!!111oneonecow ^OGMF! INCONSISTENT!!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,550.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,050.00 Donate	No. That is Zebes after the blast.

05-04-2005, 02:10 PM	#24
Lord_Zack Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 752 Thanks: 22 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 12,660.55 Bank: 2,590.48 Total Points: 15,251.03 Donate	No thats defanitly an explosion.

05-04-2005, 10:53 PM	#26
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,803 Thanks: 265 Thanked 943 Times in 574 Posts Points: 118,160.68 Bank: 1,884.44 Total Points: 120,045.11 Donate	^Directed by Ridley. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

05-04-2005, 11:49 PM	#27
Dai Grepher TEH METRIOD GOOROO!!! !!!!111oneonecow ^OGMF! INCONSISTENT!!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,550.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,050.00 Donate	Space dust would not take that formation. If it were space dust then it would have been dispersed more unevenly. It looks like a planet, not a dust cloud. If the planet were destroyed then there would be debris flying out from the explosion. Instead, a large mass of motionless land is seen. That land even has shadows and glows with the light of the left over energy from the bomb. Dust would be sparse and transparent, especially if a blast that disintegrates rock is detonated. The argument that it is dust and debris is baseless and is proved false by the screenshot.

05-05-2005, 08:01 AM	#28
Masamune Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indiana Gender: Posts: 4,935 Thanks: 14 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts Points: 2,211.46 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,721.46 Donate	Can't you argue that in a different thread and not this one, man? As in, the one you already are debating it in?

05-05-2005, 01:08 PM	#29
Dai Grepher TEH METRIOD GOOROO!!! !!!!111oneonecow ^OGMF! INCONSISTENT!!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,550.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,050.00 Donate	The same issue applies to both topics.

05-05-2005, 02:03 PM	#31
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,803 Thanks: 265 Thanked 943 Times in 574 Posts Points: 118,160.68 Bank: 1,884.44 Total Points: 120,045.11 Donate	No, my name is Al, not Scott. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

05-06-2005, 12:15 AM	#32
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,961 Thanks: 52 Thanked 33 Times in 26 Posts Points: 36,934.58 Bank: 28,875.96 Total Points: 65,810.54 Donate	I think he meant the space dragon/pirate Ridley from the games.

05-06-2005, 04:32 AM	#33
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 183 Times in 117 Posts Points: 107,844.07 Bank: 21,640.09 Total Points: 129,484.16 Donate	No way! Are you sure about that?

05-06-2005, 12:02 PM	#35
dux_is_me Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Playing Many Marios at the NC forum Gender: Posts: 1,039 Thanks: 29 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts Points: 1,409.21 Bank: 22,035.13 Total Points: 23,444.34 Donate	Let's not miss what Adam said about the Ice Beam. "Your current cellular makeup would reject that addition". Samus obtaining the Ice Beam (at the end of the game) can be a reason for the Metroids to "unstabilize" her body (I say it like that to prevent the Metroids having to escape through her chest. If she was "unstabilized", she could have surgery before something dangerous could happen). To clarify: This has nothing to do with the exploding planet discussion. Just pointing out that the Metroids can "reject" the Ice Beam, and thus, it's a viable way of having Samus lose her powerups. [ May 06, 2005, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: A Singularity of Spacetime ]

05-06-2005, 12:12 PM	#36
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 174 Times in 120 Posts Points: 49,086.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,070,537.46 Donate	The reason for that is because Samus was part metroid, and metroids hate ice. The serum didn't implant a metroid in her chest, it made her part metroid. Being part metroid, she couldn't handle the cold. That's why her life meter starts plummeting if you enter the freezer where Ridley's body is kept before getting the suit that shelters her. The ice beam was... well, ice, so obviously she couldn't have handled it. Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

05-06-2005, 12:21 PM	#37
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 183 Times in 117 Posts Points: 107,844.07 Bank: 21,640.09 Total Points: 129,484.16 Donate	I actually haven't seen Alien, Codie. I have seen a couple of other films by Ridley Scott like Bladerunner, Matchstick Men and Gladiator. I knew Ridley Scott before I new Metroid's Ridley.

05-06-2005, 01:37 PM	#38
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,803 Thanks: 265 Thanked 943 Times in 574 Posts Points: 118,160.68 Bank: 1,884.44 Total Points: 120,045.11 Donate	Well, a lot of Metroid was based on Alien, and the dragon's name is a reference to the director. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

05-06-2005, 03:26 PM	#39
DELICIOUS POISON Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 16,601 Thanks: 556 Thanked 1,602 Times in 792 Posts Points: 7,904.84 Bank: 3,602,510.30 Total Points: 3,610,415.14 Donate	Oh, come on now. There are no metroids in Samus's chest.

05-08-2005, 08:01 AM	#40
dux_is_me Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Playing Many Marios at the NC forum Gender: Posts: 1,039 Thanks: 29 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts Points: 1,409.21 Bank: 22,035.13 Total Points: 23,444.34 Donate	I'm a sick guy. And I'm just trying to pose a hypothesis. Given the Metroid DNA, it can still reproduce until it reforms into a complete Metroid again. And even if there were no Metroids inside her chest, the Metroid DNA in her cells would still reject the Ice Beam in some form, which would eventually require her to go under treatment once again.