Attention: Evidence that Zero Mission cannot possibly be Metroid 1's remake! - Page 9

Mario Jr · 07-01-2005, 12:59 AM

Whoa! Nice sig AI!

You've gotten good since I left.

**NintendoNut** · 07-02-2005, 03:59 AM

Actually Dai your avatar makes you the laughing stock of VGF.

Remember, dignity is your friend.

Codiekitty · 07-02-2005, 05:15 AM

I think he threw that out when he started arguing about Zebes just changing shape instead of going boom.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

**NintendoNut** · 07-02-2005, 06:25 AM

Just read through the beginning of the topic and found this...

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Originally posted by Dai Grepher:
Please respect my requests in the future.

Lmfao.

Dai Grepher · 07-04-2005, 02:49 AM

Click here, then go to TIMELINE.

This timeline from Nintendo shows that Zero Mission's telling takes place after all the other games.

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Prince Zack of Ryland: Dai Grepher, how do you explain the two manual's background text being exactly the same?

Dai Grepher: First, they are not the same. The one in Zero Mission is a revised telling of Metroid's backstory. However, that story does not apply to Zero Mission. It was only mentioned to give Zero Mission a basis as a prequel.

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Prince Zack of Ryland: Zero Mission is obviously a retcon of Metroid 1. The storyline is changed, it's not just different, it's changed. The amount of change is irrelevant to it being a remake or not. Zero Mission replaces Metroid 1, meaning any ingame evidence in Metroid 1 is irrevevant.

Dai Grepher: A game that replaces another can change everything, true. However, Super Metroid relies on information from Metroid in order to exist. Therefore, if Zero Mission does not feature this same information, then it contradicts Super Metroid. Zero Mission's Tourian does not match that seen in Super Metroid in location or appearance. Therefore it cannot replace Metroid or else Super Metroid will be inconsistent. That is the main reason why it cannot possibly be a remake. The others are that the stories do not match, and Zero Mission states that it is the first adventure of Samus, while Metroid was not. So the games and their stories both prove that I am right.

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Prince Zack of Ryland: However, you can (and have) worked it into the storyline, and thats fine with me. However the offical timeline has already been posted by me and that's the one I, and most people go by.

Dai Grepher: I won't disagree that you and most people go by the timeline you posted, but yours is far from official. The official timeline places Zero Mission's telling of past events at the end of the timeline after Metroid Fusion. Nintendo has also stated on a few occasions that Zero Mission is not a remake. The director of Zero Mission, Sakamoto, has also said that Zero Mission is only based on Metroid's gameplay.

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CodieKitty: Unless that word has another definition I'm not aware of, you're confusing your words. A retcon is a game (or possibly a movie or a book) whose events have been removed from the series' official storyline (games that are part of the official storyline are called "canon").

Dai Grepher: Retcon means retroactive continuity. It usually refers to prequels, or information that is added to earlier points in a series' timeline. I think he was using the word's other definition of something that replaces facts and changes the series or creates a new version.

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Em Jay: Actually that was a trick question. Apart means "split away from; separate." You said yes. So basically you said it wasn't part of the series.

Dai Grepher: No, I said it was a part of the series. I assumed that you made a typographical error. That is why I did not correct you.

[ July 04, 2005, 02:53 AM: Message edited by: Dai Grepher ]

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 07-04-2005, 03:44 AM

According to this, the story had been told once already. That's the Original Metroid.

Koga · 07-04-2005, 04:55 AM

That 'Timeline' is obviously a release list and not a regular timeline.

Prime between III and Fusion? No Prime 2?

Dai Grepher · 07-04-2005, 08:16 AM

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Beam Yosho the Drunkard:
According to this, the story had been told once already. That's the Original Metroid.

Dai Grepher: "For the first time ever" means "once again"? What text are you reading? That clearly states that for the first time ever, the real story behind Samus Aran's first mission is told. As well all know, Metroid was not Samus Aran's first mission. You just provided evidence for my side, so I must thank you for your effort.

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The March Of The Black Queen: That 'Timeline' is obviously a release list and not a regular timeline.

Prime between III and Fusion? No Prime 2?

Dai Grepher: Yes, Prime does come after Super Metroid, as we can see by the spaceship that Samus has. The game also features scans that state "The Zebes Base has fallen", which could be referring to Metroid or Super Metroid, true, but it is possible that it comes after Metroid 3.
The fact that there is no mention of Prime 2 only means that it hasn't been updated since Zero Mission's release.
It is also no release date order. Prime and Fusion were released at the same time, so if what you said were true then both games should share the same point in the timeline. Instead, Fusion is dated after it because it is obviously the later game.

So there you have what Nintendo has said about the game not being a remake. This is undoubtedly a prequel. Do you people still think that it is a remake, or have you all finally accepted the facts?

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 07-04-2005, 08:28 AM

"What really happened on Zebes?"

This would mean the story HAD been told before. And the only game that fits the story is Metroid NES.

And don't ignore the second part of that sentance either;
"For the first time ever, the real story behind Samus Aran's first mission is told."
Mean's that a story was told, but not entirely true.

Lord_Zack · 07-04-2005, 12:05 PM

That "timeline" is a release list. The "ingame" timeline can be found at Wikipedia. The most likely interpretation for the box text is that it is a remake. It can possibly be interpreted as something else, though. I'm sure Nintendo intended for it to mean that Zero Mission was a remake. I will post the instruction manual background text for comparision.

Lord_Zack · 07-04-2005, 12:07 PM

That "timeline" is a release list. The "ingame" timeline can be found at Wikipedia. The most likely interpretation for the box text is that it is a remake. It can possibly be interpreted as something else, though. I'm sure Nintendo intended for it to mean that Zero Mission was a remake. I will post the instruction manual background text for comparision.

Chunky Kong12345 · 07-04-2005, 12:15 PM

Why are you still talking?

Dai Grepher · 07-04-2005, 01:27 PM

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Beam Yosho the Drunkard: "What really happened on Zebes?"

This would mean the story HAD been told before. And the only game that fits the story is Metroid NES.

Dai Grepher: What really happened in Area 51? Something may have even though we have never been told any stories. Your interpretation of the sentence is ludicrous. It is asking what Zebes' history really is, not what were the actual events of Samus' mission in Metroid, which was not her first mission.

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Beam Yosho the Drunkard: And don't ignore the second part of that sentance either;
"For the first time ever, the real story behind Samus Aran's first mission is told."
Mean's that a story was told, but not entirely true.

Dai Grepher: Why would I ignore a fact that proves me right? That statement does not say that the story was told before. You're making things up and making excuses. It says that "for the first time ever", meaning the very first time ever, the "real story", or true events, of her first mission, which is not Metroid as we all know, is told.
Stop ignoring the facts that prove Zero Mission is not a remake.

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Prince Zack of Ryland: That "timeline" is a release list. The "ingame" timeline can be found at Wikipedia. The most likely interpretation for the box text is that it is a remake. It can possibly be interpreted as something else, though. I'm sure Nintendo intended for it to mean that Zero Mission was a remake. I will post the instruction manual background text for comparision.

Dai Grepher: You make a lot of claims but provide no proof. I have provided solid evidence and proof that Zero Mission is not a remake and that Nintendo has said that as well.
Why is the truth so hard for you people to accept?

Codiekitty · 07-04-2005, 01:29 PM

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Yes it goes on and on my frieeeeends.
Some people started singing it not knowing what it was.
And they'll continue singing it forever because
This is the song that never eeeeends.
Yes it goes on and on my frieeeeends.
Some people started singing it not knowing what it was.
And they'll continue singing it forever because
This is the song that never eeeeends.
Yes it goes on and on my frieeeeends.
Some people started singing it not knowing what it was.
And they'll continue singing it forever because
This is the song that never eeeeends...

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Chunky Kong12345 · 07-04-2005, 02:44 PM

FISSION MAILED

Dai Grepher · 07-04-2005, 03:35 PM

No, it is winding down. All has been said. It is just a matter of you people accepting the facts, or at least ceasing in the effort of disregarding them.
I mean, all I am doing now is just adding more evidence to an already solid proof.

Jonathan Resop · 07-04-2005, 04:17 PM

Haha. This guy is classic. He's stupid enough to become the next President of the United States. Idiot. Haha.-jay

Lord_Zack · 07-04-2005, 05:12 PM

Nintendo has said many things. But I doubt I'd take the word of some idiot who answers e-mail over the word of one of the creators of the series who said that ZM was based on M1. The email in which that was said in on the Nintendo forums, as were the manual's backgrounds which were nearly identical, down to saying they were set the same star date.

Swordmaster Link · 07-04-2005, 06:32 PM

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Chunky Kong12345 · 07-04-2005, 08:13 PM

FISSION MAILEDx2

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Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 106,419.41 Bank: 20,391.94 Total Points: 126,811.35 Donate	That 'Timeline' is obviously a release list and not a regular timeline. Prime between III and Fusion? No Prime 2?

07-04-2005, 08:28 AM	#169
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07-04-2005, 12:05 PM	#170
Lord_Zack Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 752 Thanks: 22 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,354.55 Bank: 2,590.48 Total Points: 14,945.03 Donate	That "timeline" is a release list. The "ingame" timeline can be found at Wikipedia. The most likely interpretation for the box text is that it is a remake. It can possibly be interpreted as something else, though. I'm sure Nintendo intended for it to mean that Zero Mission was a remake. I will post the instruction manual background text for comparision.

07-04-2005, 12:07 PM	#171
Lord_Zack Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 752 Thanks: 22 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,354.55 Bank: 2,590.48 Total Points: 14,945.03 Donate	That "timeline" is a release list. The "ingame" timeline can be found at Wikipedia. The most likely interpretation for the box text is that it is a remake. It can possibly be interpreted as something else, though. I'm sure Nintendo intended for it to mean that Zero Mission was a remake. I will post the instruction manual background text for comparision.

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