BioShock or Halo?

[Irkenwarrior12]

Or Half Life?


I prefer BioShock just a tinny bit more. The world in it just seems more...involved.

[Panfan]

Gears of War.

[Irkenwarrior12]

...or Gears of War.

But doode. Big freakin' Daddies! And Sander "I want to take the ears off" Cohen!

[Lurch1982]

Strictly from hours logged, Halo.

Bioshock had a better story and more engaging first player mode than all three Halos combined, but I only played through it once and don't really have the incentive or desire to do so again. Halo 3, OTOH, I was playing steadily and will continue to play.

Beats out Gears simply because there's more to do. Gears is a better gameplay concept and better execution, but there's not nearly enough modes to keep me entertained and the matchmaking on Gears was horrific.

[Demonicus Prime]

Originally Posted by Lurch1982

but I only played through it once and don't really have the incentive or desire to do so again. Halo 3, OTOH, I was playing steadily and will continue to play.

QFT. I absolutely love Gears(it ties with Halo), but the matchmaking is what has it over Gears.

[Booyakasha]

Out of all of them, I've only played 'Bioshock'. (Yes, I own the other three as well. Don't start.)

[heh]

Half-Life 2, tell me halo's single player is better and keep a straight face. impossible.

and telling me halos story isn't generic sci-fi stuff is just stupid. i mean they even ripped an alien race directly from half-life.

bioshock would be better if it wasn't just system shock 2 in disguise. i already played system shock 2 i;m not playing for it again.

what i played of gears of war was good but not half-life good.

[Demonicus Prime]

Originally Posted by That Guy from Christmas Future

they even ripped an alien race directly from half-life.

And which would that be? I know every race in Halo backwards and forwards, so there won't be any confusion.


[And Boo, you never cease to amuse/amaze me. ]

[heh]

The Entire Flood = Headcrabs. Zombies and everything. Even have Carrier tank things that spawn more headcrabs and, before you kill it in half life one, a giant talking flesh-thing just like the gravemind. AND, headcrabs aren't even the full Xen race.

In addition, the Coveant are just the Pf'hor from Bungies previous shooter Marathon, except, nonreligious.

The concept of Forerunners obviously isn't original in the least, but in Marathon theres a race called the Jjaro who are the exact same thing.

[Demonicus Prime]

So does that mean that Dead Rising, and George A. Romero were taking the ideas of Zombies from Half Life? Just because it has zombies doesn't mean that it's a particular brand. Even if it is, Halo used the Flood and made it better than the HL version.

[heh]

No.

Generic Zombies don't have Alien Crabs attached to their still screaming heads.

The concept of brainsucking zombiemaker aliens is from half-life (maybe not but all the other elements of the xen were stolen so you can't just say "oh thats not half-life thats generic sci-fi"), is from half-life. Zombies are not.

way to miss the point, the zombies aren't the aliens, the crabs are. crabs make zombies, floodcrabs make zombies, but with less style and about 2 years afterward.

[Lurch1982]

Originally Posted by Demonicus Prime

So does that mean that Dead Rising, and George A. Romero were taking the ideas of Zombies from Half Life? Just because it has zombies doesn't mean that it's a particular brand. Even if it is, Halo used the Flood and made it better than the HL version.

Actually, it means Dead Rising was a blatant ripoff of George A. Romero's 1977 classic Dawn of the Dead (hence the disclaimer on the box, and really I think the only reason Romero didn't go after them is because he doesn't give a damn). Bad example to even throw in there.

Better? Not in the least. The Flood stages in Halo, Halo 2, and Halo 3 were tedious and took away from what the game did well. The Flood in Halo 1 felt like a tack-on to the game and ruined the flow. Halo 2's best stages involved humans vs. the Covenant. The first assault in the city against the Covanent? Excellent. Getting warped across the universe and fighting shortbus zombies? Dumb. Halo 3 is worse. The Guerrilla campaign against the Covenant with the Elites helping is great. Any time the flood enters Halo, the game suffers and gets worse. Nobody wants to replay the Stupid Flood ship in Halo 3 to get that stupid ****ing skull in the rafters (oh wait, I did, and it was the last one I found). The flood disrupts everything that made the Halo games enjoyable.

Creature design in Halo 3 wasn't as close to HL as the designs in Halo 1 and 2. Halo 1 & 2 were almost identical. It really seemed like Bungie just played HL and said "Well, this kicks ass, we want Zombies" and ripped off every aspect of it. The carriers, the headcrabs, and the possessed zombies. All stolen directly, and it's really apparent in H1 and H2. It also doesn't help that Halo was never billed to include the Flood. Felt decieving and a cheap tactic. This isn't even getting into how stupid and ****ty the backstory is (Be it the Brainslug or whatever stupid name they gave it or the forerunners).

Half-Life, OTOH, expressly billed itself as a sci-fi shooter with horror elements akin to things like Alien, the Thing, and other sci-fi thrillers of that ilk. The game never really felt tedious (although the black-op ninjas in...well, I don't remember if its the original or Op Forces...were ****ty). It worked. It felt like it belonged. The Flood never felt like they belonged in that universe.

I think the problem you're dealing with is that HL and HL2 are two of the best games of all-time, let alone the genre. Halo 2 and 3 handle the multiplayer better than anything I've ever played (especially concerning matchmaking), but they're nowhere near the HL series (or at least 5 others I can think of) in terms of single player experience.

Originally Posted by That Guy from Christmas Future

Half-Life 2, tell me halo's single player is better and keep a straight face. impossible.

and telling me halos story isn't generic sci-fi stuff is just stupid. i mean they even ripped an alien race directly from half-life.

bioshock would be better if it wasn't just system shock 2 in disguise. i already played system shock 2 i;m not playing for it again.

what i played of gears of war was good but not half-life good.

	Bioshock was Steampunk, System Shock was Cyberpunk, there's a difference. Not to mention the world is better off with more ____ Shock games.

[Demonicus Prime]

Originally Posted by That Guy from Christmas Future

No.

The concept of brainsucking zombiemaker aliens is from half-life

Well, should we start saying that they took it from Metroid, as well? I don't really care if they took it. I've played part of Half-Life, and it's nowhere as appealing to me, especially because of the back-history of the Flood. Granted, the Flood levels aren't nearly as good as the ones that are straight aliens, but I'd rather play those than go through what I played of HL.

Don't say "You don't have any taste in shooters if you didn't like HL". People like what they like, wether it makes sense or not. You like Half-Life's headcrabs, I like headcrabs with a decent history and than change stuff into gruesome zombie/aliens.

[Wyborn]

Originally Posted by Demonicus Prime

Don't say "You don't have any taste in shooters if you didn't like HL". People like what they like, wether it makes sense or not. You like Half-Life's headcrabs, I like headcrabs with a decent history and than change stuff into gruesome zombie/aliens.

Actually, look, I'm going to level with you.

If you don't think Half-Life is one of the best shooters ever made, you're wrong. That is not a matter of opinion: if you dislike Half-Life it says more about you as a gamer than it does Valve as a developer or Half-Life as a game.

You can make lots of arguments, but any Halo's single-player campaign doesn't touch that of either Half-Life. There is no criteria on which it can be based where it would.

[Lurch1982]

Originally Posted by Demonicus Prime

Don't say "You don't have any taste in shooters if you didn't like HL".

There are instances where subjective opinions on games are wrong. This is one of them. I'm with Wyborn on this one.

Way to ignore my post BTW.

And the flood has a backstory? Since when? Here's what I got out of the games: "Oh they destroy all life. And the Halo rings kll them by killing all life." That's not a backstory. At all.

[heh]

Some additional points: Metroids don't turn people into zombies, they kill them, theres a diffrence.

Originally Posted by Lurch1982

Bioshock was Steampunk, System Shock was Cyberpunk

system shock 2 in disguise

In addition, Valve made Counterstrike, which is probably the most successful
online multiplayer (PC?) shooter ever (altough i would never touch it ever), and the all but the original Team Fortress games which have alot of popularity even if there not that known to console fps players.

Also Flood's history boils down to: "aniceint evil race of crabs that almost destroyed life in the galaxy (possibly made by a more anicenit race, i forget)

A Breif Xen(includes headcrabs) history: Aliens from another dimension fighting a losing war with the combine (different aliens from a different dimension), that have been finally beaten back to their home dimension when Gordon accidently blasts open an interdimsional portal and kills the Xen Queen Fetus thing, then the Xen races begin to thrive on earth like animals and often destroy entire towns (ravenholm **** yeah), in addition to being used as weapons by the combine.

quite a bit more with just a brief sypnosis, not to mention i could write a paper on the other alien "race" the combine compares to the Coveant (Religoius aliens worship older aliens, want to conquer people)

[Lurch1982]

^No they didn't. CS was an outside mod until 2000 (when they were eaten up by Valve) and the TFC group were a Quake II modding group that joined up with Valve to work on TFII (releasing TFC early on).

[Demonicus Prime]

Originally Posted by Lurch1982

There are instances where subjective opinions on games are wrong. This is one of them. I'm with Wyborn on this one.

Hey, before we jump down my throat over something as stupid as this, let's go ahead and at least try to listen.

I never said the Half-Life series was bad. I loved it when I played it, I just didn't like the health bar, or some of the other stuff about it. I don't dislike it, I just like Halo, Gears, and CoD4 more. That's not the point though. I do think Half-Life is one of the best games ever made, period. But, it's not the best. Neither is Halo, Gears, or CoD4. There's no such thing as the best game. Everything has it's faults. Halo's Flood levels(like the Flood, hate the levels), Gears' lag, and CoD4's hit detector. I fully plan to buy the Orange Box for Christmas, if not before.


And for those of you that ask, I don't value Halo over everything else. It's of high value, but I can think of at least 9 others off the top of my head.

[Irkenwarrior12]

Dude.

Bioshock just plays like SS2 *which I have never played. Yeah.* but it's still different. At least people aren't saying that HL2 is better, due to a gravity gun. If that were the case, then friggin Turok: Evolution would have beaten all three.

And Halo 3 suprised me. It managed to cram a good portion of backstory into it's woefully short Campaign.

[SpaceNose]

Halo 3!!!