Hot Coffee mod UPDATE - GTA effectively banned - Page 4

The Missing Link · 08-08-2005, 10:35 PM

Regardless of how you look at it, it was ridiculously sloppy code management.

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**Kargath** · 08-08-2005, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Missing Link:
Regardless of how you look at it, it was ridiculously sloppy code management.

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Why it wasn't compiled out instead of conditioned out is beyond me. :/

Glyph Phoenix · 08-09-2005, 12:44 AM

Well, on one hand, that does seem a bit like they wanted to leave it in as a little extra for players, seeing as how they didn't just get rid of all the code.

But on the other hand, lots of games have tons of junk in them nobody bothered to remove. Even old, simple games like Super Mario World have tons of modes and crap (Layer 3 cage in the background! Swooper death ceiling! Traditional Pirhana Plants! Translucent foreground!) that are just never used in the game. It might be just that the game was team programmed in a way that made it easier to not run code than it was to delete it.

And even if it's the first case, you did have to change the game itself in order to play that minigame. Even if you left stuff for the player to get at, it wasn't in the game and it wasn't supposed to be accessed on a regular playthrough. Not part of the game, not part of the ESRB rating.

The Missing Link · 08-09-2005, 08:26 AM

^ The analogy I don't buy completely, and here's why. GameShark-like devices have a huge market already ever since the days of the NES, and while I don't know statistics nowadays, I reckon that it still has some decent following. While I'll admit, most of a GameShark's functionality is either messing up certain game aspects or for cheating and getting additional lives, etc., when one can be used for a Hot Coffee mod, this is a very different cluster of things we're talking about. This, upon it being figured out, is LIKE giving sexual material to a significant population of kids. The moment a code to access it on the GameShark (et al) came out to access it, that instantly let everyone with a GameShark have access to it. It was there in their hands; whereas the actual mod you had to get and install yourself (more black than white), this one all you need is a n-length character strand, and now you've got kids playing porno on the PS2.

The whole issue boils down to defensive programming. Developers NEED to program games carefully so that no one can simply change the value of a variable and lo and behold they got cracked. Sure, it's hard to catch everything, but we're talking about something MAJOR here. It was sloppy coding, and because that was compiled with the game as well as "unlockable effectively by cheat code," I believe this is what prompted the change in ruling.

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Shane Sacobie · 08-09-2005, 05:17 PM

Someone please explain to me what happens the day someone turns 18 that makes them so drastically different than they were the day before. And also why America is so ass backwards that boobies are a sin but blowing up buildings, dealing drugs, and stealing cars is just fine.

Listened to more of his BS on that show. Some of it makes sense, but he's talking out his ass half the time.

A malpractice lawyer? Now I'm really surprised.

Games cause brain damage? How many games has this guy played?

This guy just goes based on people paid to support his position and doesn't actually do any of his own work.

I'd really be interested in knowing how this guy defends the fact that there are a couple dozen nations that have a higher per capita murder rate than the US, yet they have next to no video game influence (and ours would be half as many if not for how easy it is to get a gun).

They're worried about video games causing people to beat up others in school? Let's try solving the real problems in society that lead kids to get to the point of wanting to strike others in the first place.

I don't get the concept that they're marketing these games to kids, when they couldn't sell these games when the industry was all kids. Halo and GTA have been built on a much older market.

Dump Microsoft and Sony stock? Pffft.

Okay, dude, you've been going on about Bully for 20 minutes.

He's saying the UK system is what we should work toward, but that Europe is irresponsible because it's too capitalistic.

Hot coffee's only bad because they lied about it? Nobody's believing you.

EA... linked to porn...? At least he admits he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Sportscenter is aimed at kids?

He "predicted" Columbine. So it's his fault. He must've planted the idea.

He seems to think websites believe GTA is only good because it's violent.

[ August 09, 2005, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: A king wants me to have it my way ]

DELICIOUS POISON · 08-10-2005, 02:06 AM

I don't know about you guys, but I always get all my porn in video games. I gameshark everything all day long, hoping for something to jerk it to.

kriminal99 · 12-16-2006, 10:56 AM

This whole issue is utterly rediculous.

If you just change the variable, the involved parties still have on their clothes. Only an actual mod made it so they were naked.

If animations that look like sex with clothes on are still an issue, then it shouldn't matter if they removed the hot coffee code. In the revised version, in one of the earlier missions when you bust up a crack house, it shows a girl in the back doing the bj animation.

Now I can't alter the value to play the minigame because this whole thing caused them to delete the code for it. WTF... anyone know a way to mod the new version to get hot coffee back?

Irby · 12-16-2006, 11:12 AM

Don't bump old topics.

Bartman101 · 12-16-2006, 12:14 PM

Yeah.

Irby · 12-16-2006, 12:15 PM

I think the only reason he/she joined was to bump this topic.

**March of the Covenant** · 12-16-2006, 12:17 PM

Why the hell was this topic bumped in the first place?

Irby · 12-16-2006, 12:20 PM

Cause the newbie thought he could make a very intelligent post and get thanked for it. Thats probably the only reason he joined. :|

Bartman101 · 12-16-2006, 12:21 PM

Who knows.
That guy posted it.

MC Mushi Mo · 12-16-2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marchie

Why the hell was this topic bumped in the first place?

So that ^ and ^^ would have something to whine about. STOP SCARING AWAY ALL THE INTELLIGENT MEMBERS! Seriously though, check the time stamp before you post in a topic, it could make all the difference.

Bartman101 · 12-16-2006, 12:42 PM

Asumptions=Lame!

Shine Dude · 12-16-2006, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irby

Cause the newbie thought he could make a very intelligent post and get thanked for it. Thats probably the only reason he joined. :|

Just like you tryed to get thanked posting this and "Don't bump old Topics"

Irby · 12-16-2006, 12:49 PM

No. There does happen to be a rule where you can't bump old topics. I was pointing that out but it was probably useless because that member most likely won't return. :|

Bartman101 · 12-16-2006, 03:43 PM

Wow, The new guy started a flame war.

**March of the Covenant** · 12-16-2006, 05:08 PM

SOmeone lock.

Mikhail Gorbachev · 12-16-2006, 05:28 PM

^^Or did Irby?
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12-16-2006, 10:56 AM	#67
kriminal99 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Gender: Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 692.73 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 692.73 Donate	THis is rediculous This whole issue is utterly rediculous. If you just change the variable, the involved parties still have on their clothes. Only an actual mod made it so they were naked. If animations that look like sex with clothes on are still an issue, then it shouldn't matter if they removed the hot coffee code. In the revised version, in one of the earlier missions when you bust up a crack house, it shows a girl in the back doing the bj animation. Now I can't alter the value to play the minigame because this whole thing caused them to delete the code for it. WTF... anyone know a way to mod the new version to get hot coffee back?

08-08-2005, 10:35 PM	#61
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,683 Thanks: 83 Thanked 294 Times in 201 Posts Points: 11,503.13 Bank: 80,603.38 Total Points: 92,106.51 Donate	Regardless of how you look at it, it was ridiculously sloppy code management. Zelda: The Grand Adventures \| Triforce MUCK ザ行方不明リンク悪いユウモアの賢人

08-09-2005, 12:44 AM	#63
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,859.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,359.00 Donate	Well, on one hand, that does seem a bit like they wanted to leave it in as a little extra for players, seeing as how they didn't just get rid of all the code. But on the other hand, lots of games have tons of junk in them nobody bothered to remove. Even old, simple games like Super Mario World have tons of modes and crap (Layer 3 cage in the background! Swooper death ceiling! Traditional Pirhana Plants! Translucent foreground!) that are just never used in the game. It might be just that the game was team programmed in a way that made it easier to not run code than it was to delete it. And even if it's the first case, you did have to change the game itself in order to play that minigame. Even if you left stuff for the player to get at, it wasn't in the game and it wasn't supposed to be accessed on a regular playthrough. Not part of the game, not part of the ESRB rating.

08-09-2005, 08:26 AM	#64
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,683 Thanks: 83 Thanked 294 Times in 201 Posts Points: 11,503.13 Bank: 80,603.38 Total Points: 92,106.51 Donate	^ The analogy I don't buy completely, and here's why. GameShark-like devices have a huge market already ever since the days of the NES, and while I don't know statistics nowadays, I reckon that it still has some decent following. While I'll admit, most of a GameShark's functionality is either messing up certain game aspects or for cheating and getting additional lives, etc., when one can be used for a Hot Coffee mod, this is a very different cluster of things we're talking about. This, upon it being figured out, is LIKE giving sexual material to a significant population of kids. The moment a code to access it on the GameShark (et al) came out to access it, that instantly let everyone with a GameShark have access to it. It was there in their hands; whereas the actual mod you had to get and install yourself (more black than white), this one all you need is a n-length character strand, and now you've got kids playing porno on the PS2. The whole issue boils down to defensive programming. Developers NEED to program games carefully so that no one can simply change the value of a variable and lo and behold they got cracked. Sure, it's hard to catch everything, but we're talking about something MAJOR here. It was sloppy coding, and because that was compiled with the game as well as "unlockable effectively by cheat code," I believe this is what prompted the change in ruling. Zelda: The Grand Adventures \| Triforce MUCK ザ行方不明リンク悪いユウモアの賢人

08-09-2005, 05:17 PM	#65
Shane Sacobie Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,491.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,991.00 Donate	Someone please explain to me what happens the day someone turns 18 that makes them so drastically different than they were the day before. And also why America is so ass backwards that boobies are a sin but blowing up buildings, dealing drugs, and stealing cars is just fine. Listened to more of his BS on that show. Some of it makes sense, but he's talking out his ass half the time. A malpractice lawyer? Now I'm really surprised. Games cause brain damage? How many games has this guy played? This guy just goes based on people paid to support his position and doesn't actually do any of his own work. I'd really be interested in knowing how this guy defends the fact that there are a couple dozen nations that have a higher per capita murder rate than the US, yet they have next to no video game influence (and ours would be half as many if not for how easy it is to get a gun). They're worried about video games causing people to beat up others in school? Let's try solving the real problems in society that lead kids to get to the point of wanting to strike others in the first place. I don't get the concept that they're marketing these games to kids, when they couldn't sell these games when the industry was all kids. Halo and GTA have been built on a much older market. Dump Microsoft and Sony stock? Pffft. Okay, dude, you've been going on about Bully for 20 minutes. He's saying the UK system is what we should work toward, but that Europe is irresponsible because it's too capitalistic. Hot coffee's only bad because they lied about it? Nobody's believing you. EA... linked to porn...? At least he admits he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Sportscenter is aimed at kids? He "predicted" Columbine. So it's his fault. He must've planted the idea. He seems to think websites believe GTA is only good because it's violent. [ August 09, 2005, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: A king wants me to have it my way ]

08-10-2005, 02:06 AM	#66
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12-16-2006, 12:20 PM	#72
Irby Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada, Eh. Gender: Posts: 7,015 Thanks: 344 Thanked 122 Times in 103 Posts Blog Entries: 5 Points: 44,268.55 Bank: 19,892.89 Total Points: 64,161.44 Donate	Cause the newbie thought he could make a very intelligent post and get thanked for it. Thats probably the only reason he joined. :\|

12-16-2006, 12:21 PM	#73
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12-16-2006, 12:42 PM	#75
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12-16-2006, 12:49 PM	#77
Irby Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada, Eh. Gender: Posts: 7,015 Thanks: 344 Thanked 122 Times in 103 Posts Blog Entries: 5 Points: 44,268.55 Bank: 19,892.89 Total Points: 64,161.44 Donate	No. There does happen to be a rule where you can't bump old topics. I was pointing that out but it was probably useless because that member most likely won't return. :\|

12-16-2006, 03:43 PM	#78
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