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**Booyakasha** · 03-25-2008, 09:33 PM

I'm clearly not talking about martyrdom or mental illness. I'm talking about crybabies shooting themselves rather than getting up and putting their goddamn shoulders to the wheel, like this craven pissant in the article.

The real tragedy of suicide isn't the dead guy--it's the people who are left behind. I'll about guarantee you that this person wasn't 'worthless' to someone, no matter what he thought about himself. I'll bet he illuminated the world for someone. That, my friend, is what's selfish. Destroying something you don't see the use of, no matter that it could be everything to others. What, the fact that he's old and lives alone means he didn't have friends? children? even just neighbours who thought he was a swell guy? God damn it. The world's a lousier place for someone now that he's dead.

Not for me though. Screw him. I don't pity anyone who crawls into the grave like a worm. Not after I saw my friend fight leukemia, my uncle fight a losing battle to cancer last year, my grandfather fight every damn thing ever before he finally went two years back. They didn't go gentle, and I spit on anyone who does.

[EDIT: I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here, incidentally. I've just got a wild hair about this all. Sorry, everyone. You know I ~~love~~ ~~like~~ tolerate you guys with all my heart.]

Tad Venture · 03-25-2008, 11:43 PM

Boo, I agree with you. Maybe not to the point of hatred, but I see absolutely no point in suicide, in any way, shape or form. It seems childish and, as you've said, selfish.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 03-26-2008, 12:39 AM

...And you guys haven't experienced the grave depression that comes with suicide, either.

OBVIOUSLY.

If you had, YOU wouldn't be this selfish. Yes, I'm angry and think you're selfish. For things like, "I'm talking about crybabies shooting themselves rather than getting up and putting their goddamn shoulders to the wheel, like this craven pissant in the article." Do YOU know what was so terrible in his life that he wanted to die? Do you? No. Insulting the memory of the dead because you can't get your head around his illness is as selfish as you're claiming suicide victims are.

I've lost people, who were fighting for their lives.

I've lost people, who were so depressed that their minds didn't work right anymore.

They truly believe they are a burden on the very people they love. They believe that those special people in their lives would be better off if they were dead.

I nearly lost one of the most important people in my life, because they couldn't feel like they were worth anything, like they were doing any good for me or anyone else. They weren't selfish. They were depressed, broken, and ready to step in front of a speeding truck.

-_-

DELICIOUS POISON · 03-26-2008, 12:44 AM

I find immense irony in someone making another's suicide selfish just because they're deserting the living.

...Selfish. I still have yet to receive any explanation as to why anything anyone does isn't selfish, as people genuinely do everything in eventuality for their own benefit.

That **** aside, that's one way to go out in style. Reminds me of the Futurama suicide booth.

YOU HAVE CHOSEN SLOW AND PAINFUL.

**Booyakasha** · 03-26-2008, 04:16 PM

^^I'm not insulting anything that the man himself didn't already disgrace and drag through the muck when he took the easy way out.

You might not know it from reading over my posts in this topic, but my life hasn't always been a sunny stroll through a garden of shimmering delights, either. But I don't wallow. I can't, honestly.

I'm sorry your friends were broken down and mashed up by life, SD. It's a rotten old pisser sometimes, this world. But just giving up? You're right, I don't understand that. I was raised to fight.

**L007 is Undecided** · 03-26-2008, 04:42 PM

I honestly am not ever going to voice my opinion on suicide again. Not after what happened with the mother of one of my closest friends. Plus, it just seems to me that whenever I debate about these controversial issues, I always somehow get people who say I'm right and others who hound on me for thinking my way, then somehow they get into a fight over it.

And that's happened way too Goddamn much. Both those who have taken their own lives and dividing people simply because of me. The depression that follows both are just so... similar. The death of a person, the death of unity...

Forgive me for ranting. I'm simply overwhelmed right now.

03-25-2008, 09:33 PM	#21
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,880 Thanks: 77 Thanked 366 Times in 233 Posts Points: 11,639.74 Bank: 24,663.21 Total Points: 36,302.95 Donate	I'm clearly not talking about martyrdom or mental illness. I'm talking about crybabies shooting themselves rather than getting up and putting their goddamn shoulders to the wheel, like this craven pissant in the article. The real tragedy of suicide isn't the dead guy--it's the people who are left behind. I'll about guarantee you that this person wasn't 'worthless' to someone, no matter what he thought about himself. I'll bet he illuminated the world for someone. That, my friend, is what's selfish. Destroying something you don't see the use of, no matter that it could be everything to others. What, the fact that he's old and lives alone means he didn't have friends? children? even just neighbours who thought he was a swell guy? God damn it. The world's a lousier place for someone now that he's dead. Not for me though. Screw him. I don't pity anyone who crawls into the grave like a worm. Not after I saw my friend fight leukemia, my uncle fight a losing battle to cancer last year, my grandfather fight every damn thing ever before he finally went two years back. They didn't go gentle, and I spit on anyone who does. [EDIT: I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here, incidentally. I've just got a wild hair about this all. Sorry, everyone. You know I ~~love~~ ~~like~~ tolerate you guys with all my heart.] __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president Last edited by Booyakasha; 03-25-2008 at 09:43 PM.

03-26-2008, 04:16 PM	#25
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,880 Thanks: 77 Thanked 366 Times in 233 Posts Points: 11,639.74 Bank: 24,663.21 Total Points: 36,302.95 Donate	^^I'm not insulting anything that the man himself didn't already disgrace and drag through the muck when he took the easy way out. You might not know it from reading over my posts in this topic, but my life hasn't always been a sunny stroll through a garden of shimmering delights, either. But I don't wallow. I can't, honestly. I'm sorry your friends were broken down and mashed up by life, SD. It's a rotten old pisser sometimes, this world. But just giving up? You're right, I don't understand that. I was raised to fight. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president Last edited by Booyakasha; 03-26-2008 at 08:47 PM.

03-25-2008, 11:43 PM	#22
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,664 Thanks: 545 Thanked 660 Times in 389 Posts Points: 86,833.62 Bank: 108,613.76 Total Points: 195,447.38 Donate	Boo, I agree with you. Maybe not to the point of hatred, but I see absolutely no point in suicide, in any way, shape or form. It seems childish and, as you've said, selfish.

03-26-2008, 12:39 AM	#23
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 23,709 Thanks: 273 Thanked 497 Times in 350 Posts Points: 41,854.35 Bank: 147,494.84 Total Points: 189,349.19 Donate	...And you guys haven't experienced the grave depression that comes with suicide, either. OBVIOUSLY. If you had, YOU wouldn't be this selfish. Yes, I'm angry and think you're selfish. For things like, "I'm talking about crybabies shooting themselves rather than getting up and putting their goddamn shoulders to the wheel, like this craven pissant in the article." Do YOU know what was so terrible in his life that he wanted to die? Do you? No. Insulting the memory of the dead because you can't get your head around his illness is as selfish as you're claiming suicide victims are. I've lost people, who were fighting for their lives. I've lost people, who were so depressed that their minds didn't work right anymore. They truly believe they are a burden on the very people they love. They believe that those special people in their lives would be better off if they were dead. I nearly lost one of the most important people in my life, because they couldn't feel like they were worth anything, like they were doing any good for me or anyone else. They weren't selfish. They were depressed, broken, and ready to step in front of a speeding truck. -_-

03-26-2008, 12:44 AM	#24
DELICIOUS POISON Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 16,165 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,332 Times in 688 Posts Points: 4,649.00 Bank: 2,276,668.29 Total Points: 2,281,317.29 Donate	I find immense irony in someone making another's suicide selfish just because they're deserting the living. ...Selfish. I still have yet to receive any explanation as to why anything anyone does isn't selfish, as people genuinely do everything in eventuality for their own benefit. That **** aside, that's one way to go out in style. Reminds me of the Futurama suicide booth. YOU HAVE CHOSEN SLOW AND PAINFUL.

03-26-2008, 04:42 PM	#26
L007 is Undecided Axe Shreddin' Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: Farmerland. Gender: Posts: 7,413 Thanks: 96 Thanked 313 Times in 183 Posts Points: 5,308.03 Bank: 21,057.77 Total Points: 26,365.80 Donate	I honestly am not ever going to voice my opinion on suicide again. Not after what happened with the mother of one of my closest friends. Plus, it just seems to me that whenever I debate about these controversial issues, I always somehow get people who say I'm right and others who hound on me for thinking my way, then somehow they get into a fight over it. And that's happened way too Goddamn much. Both those who have taken their own lives and dividing people simply because of me. The depression that follows both are just so... similar. The death of a person, the death of unity... Forgive me for ranting. I'm simply overwhelmed right now.