FINAL DESTINATION - VGF

**Adam Alex Lawrence-Polk** · 05-07-2008, 11:56 PM

**Crazyswordsman** · 05-07-2008, 11:59 PM

Final Destination: EWR -CSM

Caput Equi XVI · 05-08-2008, 11:30 AM

I don't understand the huge misconception that TORUNAEMNT PLAEYRS ONLY PLYA ON FD SO TEHY SUCK

Final Destination is good for some characters and bad for others, just like the rest of the stages.

(But the video was pretty funny, I'll admit.)

X-3 · 05-08-2008, 02:43 PM

Yeah, they also play on Battlefield. And Dreamworld. And maybe Smashville.

All totally different stages.

Caput Equi XVI · 05-08-2008, 03:04 PM

So apparently, you know absolutely nothing about how tournaments go:

Before the fight, both fighters ban one stage, one that their character sucks on, or one their opponent is too good on. When fighting a Marth, you'd want to ban Fountain of Dreams, etc etc.

There's a list of neutral stages: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, Pokemon Stadium, Battlefield, Dream Land 64, and Final Destination. For the first battle, the stage is chosen at random from among these.

For the second battle, the loser gets to choose a stage from either the neutral stages or a Counterpick stage. Some stages favor certain characters, so if you want to win the second time, you'd want to pick a stage that is in your character's favor, or not in the other character's favor. The counterpick stages are all the stages left except for the banned ones.

These are the banned stages and the reasons (stated by me) why. Keep in mind, the tournament is pretty competitive and people don't want to lose after a whole day because they got hit by a tool on Flat Zone.

* Brinstar Depths: No ledges, and certain rotations are too good for characters like Marth
* Flat Zone: Stage hazards, you could easily get stage killed at 0%
* Great Bay: The circle--Fox players could shoot one laser and then run away until time runs out
* Icicle Mountain: Stage kills too easily
* Hyrule Temple: The circle--see Great Bay
* Yoshi's Island N6: Something to do with a broken Fox tactic with lasers, but I forget what
* Yoshi's Island (Pipes): Fox can shine people off the stage lickedy-split
* Venom: Divider in the middle is broken for Marth
* Fourside: Divider in the middle is broken for Marth
* Mushroom Kingdom I: Walk-off edges (see Yoshi's Island)
* Big Blue: Stage kills
Mushroom Kingdom II: Walk-off edges.

X-3 · 05-08-2008, 08:21 PM

...and I've been owned. By the power of facts.

Speaking of all this stuff, I heard Bridge of Eldin will probably be banned. I don't think grounded stages should be banned, personally, but whatever.

Huh, Rainbow Cruise isn't banned? It's kinda easy to die, isn't it? Eh.

Metal Man · 05-08-2008, 11:07 PM

There should be a tourney where all those rules are inversed--though it would only be 'For Fun' so that nobody is frustrated. Alternatively, randomly pick people based on how insane their playthrough of a stage was.

...

Nah, I'm just coming up for excuses for using Big Blue in Tourney play. That with Mach Rider music is my favorite! ... 'Cuz I'm nuts.

**Kargath** · 05-09-2008, 04:53 AM

Bowser is great once you learn to play him as a character without tilt attacks. Treat his tilts as smashes and his smashes as punishers and you'll be right.

I think I heard the For Tax Reasons voice in there too...

Caput Equi XVI · 05-09-2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-3

...and I've been owned. By the power of facts.

Speaking of all this stuff, I heard Bridge of Eldin will probably be banned. I don't think grounded stages should be banned, personally, but whatever.

Huh, Rainbow Cruise isn't banned? It's kinda easy to die, isn't it? Eh.

Some banned stages fluctuate between tourneys. Rainbow Cruise is usually banned, but some people keep it in.

Bridge of Eldin will probably be banned because Dedede can chain throw along the ground all the way to the edge. Green Hill Zone will be, too, but that's also for the god-damned star post.

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-09-2008, 12:18 PM

^Do you know how easy it is not to get hit by the lamppost? I mean, it's really easy.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Ike · 05-09-2008, 01:10 PM

^^I don't think I've ever been hit by the star-post.

War Machine · 05-09-2008, 02:38 PM

I knocked some comp. players into it once, but those were comp. players.

X-3 · 05-09-2008, 03:12 PM

It's pretty easy to get hit by it, actually.

I remember hearing about that DDD grab thing.

Also, I predict Mario Bros. will get banned, due to the enemies running around. The knockback on those things are insane.

SephirothKirby · 05-09-2008, 03:40 PM

Man, we ban Mario Bros. in casual play.

speed · 05-09-2008, 03:50 PM

I actually like Final Destination not because it is an "Even Playing Ground" or "FOX ONLY LAWLS" but because it just has a sense of epicness to it. Also the Tourney Tards don't deserve Brawl.

Caput Equi XVI · 05-09-2008, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speed

Also the Tourney Tards don't deserve Brawl.

It's people like you that make me yell at people like Capt, when he didn't deserve it. Just stop. It was a joke in the video, satirical, and kinda funny. When you actually take it seriously, it ceases to be funny.

Also, Capt, if you play with people (like me) who will claim the star post and then try to hit people into it, it's kind of hard to avoid. I love approaching someone with Olimar, hitting the post on the way, grabbing them and back-throwing them into it.

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-09-2008, 11:06 PM

Oh, yeah, it's easy to knock or throw people into it. I thought you were talking about accidentally running into it.
(It's just a lamppost, though. There weren't star posts until Sonic 2.)

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

That Guy · 05-09-2008, 11:33 PM

I don't think anyone literally thinks that people play final destination only.

I'll tell you right now NOBODY thinks there are fox-only tournaments.

Also I heard that norfair isn't getting banned! Hurrah!

Also X-3, the stage being easy to die on doesn't mean anything, But some characters can be easily killed with next to no hope to survive on Big Blue and Icicle mountain do to jumping ability, and Flat Zone you can kill people at 0 with a throw.

Some stages are banned for absolutely retarded reasons though. HMMMMM, WALF OFF EDGES? WALLS? THERE ARE EXPLOITS WITH THESE! LETS BAN THE ENTIRE STAGE AND NOT THE EXPLOIT LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Oh yeah, the reason Casual players hate tierdashers are because of a good chunk of them INSIST ON NO ITEMS FOX ONLY FINAL DESTINATION play.

And because smashboards is like the universal tierdasher hangout and they are 90% composed of those guys.

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-10-2008, 12:15 AM

I've taken all the bad jumpers onto Icicle Mountain; they can keep up.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Caput Equi XVI · 05-10-2008, 09:06 AM

Not if the other person is actively making sure that they don't keep up. heh.

And no, I'm pretty sure Norfair is staying. It's really good for people like Olimar--lots of platforms, lots of ledges. The thing about walk-off edges is pretty valid though, especially in Melee. check this out:

Click to view video.

A Fox could shine you all the way across the stage and off the edge with no trouble at all.

05-09-2008, 04:53 AM	#8
Kargath Heat-Seeking Pleasure Machine Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: kargath64.deviantart.com Gender: Posts: 4,085 Thanks: 241 Thanked 65 Times in 59 Posts Points: 179.79 Bank: 90,074.31 Total Points: 90,254.10 Donate	Bowser is great once you learn to play him as a character without tilt attacks. Treat his tilts as smashes and his smashes as punishers and you'll be right. I think I heard the For Tax Reasons voice in there too... __________________ Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? -Clifford Stoll

05-09-2008, 02:38 PM	#12
War Machine urmom Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: La Grange Gender: Posts: 9,272 Thanks: 375 Thanked 677 Times in 489 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 61.00 Bank: 8,983.60 Total Points: 9,044.60 Donate	I knocked some comp. players into it once, but those were comp. players. __________________

05-09-2008, 11:33 PM	#18
That Guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 4,695 Thanks: 219 Thanked 100 Times in 75 Posts Points: 174.53 Bank: 3,070.67 Total Points: 3,245.20 Donate	I don't think anyone literally thinks that people play final destination only. I'll tell you right now NOBODY thinks there are fox-only tournaments. Also I heard that norfair isn't getting banned! Hurrah! Also X-3, the stage being easy to die on doesn't mean anything, But some characters can be easily killed with next to no hope to survive on Big Blue and Icicle mountain do to jumping ability, and Flat Zone you can kill people at 0 with a throw. Some stages are banned for absolutely retarded reasons though. HMMMMM, WALF OFF EDGES? WALLS? THERE ARE EXPLOITS WITH THESE! LETS BAN THE ENTIRE STAGE AND NOT THE EXPLOIT LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Oh yeah, the reason Casual players hate tierdashers are because of a good chunk of them INSIST ON NO ITEMS FOX ONLY FINAL DESTINATION play. And because smashboards is like the universal tierdasher hangout and they are 90% composed of those guys. Last edited by That Guy; 05-09-2008 at 11:33 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-07-2008, 11:59 PM	#2
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05-08-2008, 11:30 AM	#3
Caput Equi XVI -ui -u, I look just like Buddy Holly. -o -o and you're Mary Tyler Moore Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 22,517 Thanks: 374 Thanked 499 Times in 300 Posts Points: 79,575.38 Bank: 49,190.13 Total Points: 128,765.51 Donate	I don't understand the huge misconception that TORUNAEMNT PLAEYRS ONLY PLYA ON FD SO TEHY SUCK Final Destination is good for some characters and bad for others, just like the rest of the stages. (But the video was pretty funny, I'll admit.)

05-08-2008, 02:43 PM	#4
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 8,032 Thanks: 204 Thanked 215 Times in 160 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 647.31 Bank: 8,549.74 Total Points: 9,197.05 Donate	Yeah, they also play on Battlefield. And Dreamworld. And maybe Smashville. All totally different stages.

05-08-2008, 03:04 PM	#5
Caput Equi XVI -ui -u, I look just like Buddy Holly. -o -o and you're Mary Tyler Moore Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 22,517 Thanks: 374 Thanked 499 Times in 300 Posts Points: 79,575.38 Bank: 49,190.13 Total Points: 128,765.51 Donate	So apparently, you know absolutely nothing about how tournaments go: Before the fight, both fighters ban one stage, one that their character sucks on, or one their opponent is too good on. When fighting a Marth, you'd want to ban Fountain of Dreams, etc etc. There's a list of neutral stages: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, Pokemon Stadium, Battlefield, Dream Land 64, and Final Destination. For the first battle, the stage is chosen at random from among these. For the second battle, the loser gets to choose a stage from either the neutral stages or a Counterpick stage. Some stages favor certain characters, so if you want to win the second time, you'd want to pick a stage that is in your character's favor, or not in the other character's favor. The counterpick stages are all the stages left except for the banned ones. These are the banned stages and the reasons (stated by me) why. Keep in mind, the tournament is pretty competitive and people don't want to lose after a whole day because they got hit by a tool on Flat Zone. * Brinstar Depths: No ledges, and certain rotations are too good for characters like Marth * Flat Zone: Stage hazards, you could easily get stage killed at 0% * Great Bay: The circle--Fox players could shoot one laser and then run away until time runs out * Icicle Mountain: Stage kills too easily * Hyrule Temple: The circle--see Great Bay * Yoshi's Island N6: Something to do with a broken Fox tactic with lasers, but I forget what * Yoshi's Island (Pipes): Fox can shine people off the stage lickedy-split * Venom: Divider in the middle is broken for Marth * Fourside: Divider in the middle is broken for Marth * Mushroom Kingdom I: Walk-off edges (see Yoshi's Island) * Big Blue: Stage kills Mushroom Kingdom II: Walk-off edges.

05-08-2008, 08:21 PM	#6
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 8,032 Thanks: 204 Thanked 215 Times in 160 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 647.31 Bank: 8,549.74 Total Points: 9,197.05 Donate	...and I've been owned. By the power of facts. Speaking of all this stuff, I heard Bridge of Eldin will probably be banned. I don't think grounded stages should be banned, personally, but whatever. Huh, Rainbow Cruise isn't banned? It's kinda easy to die, isn't it? Eh.

05-08-2008, 11:07 PM	#7
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,268 Thanks: 69 Thanked 142 Times in 101 Posts Points: 64.10 Bank: 29,086.34 Total Points: 29,150.44 Donate	There should be a tourney where all those rules are inversed--though it would only be 'For Fun' so that nobody is frustrated. Alternatively, randomly pick people based on how insane their playthrough of a stage was. ... Nah, I'm just coming up for excuses for using Big Blue in Tourney play. That with Mach Rider music is my favorite! ... 'Cuz I'm nuts.

05-09-2008, 12:18 PM	#10
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05-09-2008, 01:10 PM	#11
Ike Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I don't know. Where do I live? Gender: Posts: 5,566 Thanks: 40 Thanked 151 Times in 107 Posts Points: 216.81 Bank: 100,166.71 Total Points: 100,383.52 Donate	^^I don't think I've ever been hit by the star-post.

05-09-2008, 03:12 PM	#13
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 8,032 Thanks: 204 Thanked 215 Times in 160 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 647.31 Bank: 8,549.74 Total Points: 9,197.05 Donate	It's pretty easy to get hit by it, actually. I remember hearing about that DDD grab thing. Also, I predict Mario Bros. will get banned, due to the enemies running around. The knockback on those things are insane.

05-09-2008, 03:40 PM	#14
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05-09-2008, 03:50 PM	#15
speed Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: i fight 4 mi frends! Gender: Posts: 765 Thanks: 181 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts Points: 6,368.29 Bank: 520.20 Total Points: 6,888.49 Donate	I actually like Final Destination not because it is an "Even Playing Ground" or "FOX ONLY LAWLS" but because it just has a sense of epicness to it. Also the Tourney Tards don't deserve Brawl.

05-09-2008, 11:06 PM	#17
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 18,716 Thanks: 118 Thanked 619 Times in 403 Posts Points: 94,163.65 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 94,663.65 Donate	Oh, yeah, it's easy to knock or throw people into it. I thought you were talking about accidentally running into it. (It's just a lamppost, though. There weren't star posts until Sonic 2.) And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

05-10-2008, 12:15 AM	#19
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 18,716 Thanks: 118 Thanked 619 Times in 403 Posts Points: 94,163.65 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 94,663.65 Donate	I've taken all the bad jumpers onto Icicle Mountain; they can keep up. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"