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homer · 07-01-2004, 08:34 PM

^ Yes, I'm aware, I would just like to see them as the villains.

Jonathan Resop · 07-01-2004, 09:07 PM

Spiderman 2...

SPOILERS

...sucked. Really. At least compared to the first one. Compared to the first, it sucked really bad.

Ok, before you kill me, I enjoyed it. I thought it was funny, and the action was awesome. The action scenes were some of the best ever.

BUT

FOR DEAR LORD, The romance in that movie was the absolute worst and corniest thing I've ever seen. It was so FRIGGEN annoying.

MJ:"Oh, do you love me, Peter."

PP:"I don't know if I love you."

MJ:"But I know that you love me."

PP:"But I don't know if I know if I love you."

MJ:"But I know that you know that you really love me."

PP:"I'm not sure if I'm sure I know I'm ready to love you."

MM:"I love someone else, but I'm sure that you know that I know that you know that you love me."

PP:"But I have to be Spiderman now. I'm an IDIOT who has to many problems and doesn't realize that a HOT girl is in front of me who wants me BAD."

MJ:"Oh wait, I'm getting married to someone else."

PP:"Oh poo, I'm sad now."

MJ:"Oh wait, I don't want to marry him, I love you."

PP:"But I don't know if I know if I can love you."

(Continue until Peter Parker SOMEHOW gets the girl ANYWAY, in spite of the fact that he was a complete JERK and IDIOT through the ENTIRE MOVIE)

The dialogue in that movie completely SUCKED. It was so bad, it started to just be funny. It was so terrible. My God, it was like watching the terrible love scenes in Star Wars Episode II.

So...yeah...that's what I thought. Oh, and I don't think they could have made it any more OBVIOUS that they want to make a DAMN SEQUEL.

Oh, and what's the deal with everyone knowing that he's Spiderman now. Doesn't that, like, ruin the whole point if everyone knows he's Spiderman?

Wee...-jay

[ July 01, 2004, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Perrin Aybara ]

Tonberry2k · 07-01-2004, 09:14 PM

I think Venom would throw the series over the top. As of now it's been advances in science gone wrong. Beliveable. Suddenly throwing an alien into the mix would be absurd. Some things just don't translate to screen and Venom/Carnage would be a couple of those things.

Super Shy Guy · 07-01-2004, 09:38 PM

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Personally, I think the Lizard is a much more interesting villain than Carnage. Sure, it'd be really cool to see Carnage go crazy all over the city, but the Lizard has a much more interesting concept and personality and everything. Not to mention that introducing and explaining the symbiote, doing the whole symbiote saga, and introducing Brock and having him gain the symbiote and everything would take at least 2 movies.

I think there were like 5 Green Goblins. I know there was at least one after Harry.

I think that Mysterio would be a really cool villain to use, too.

**Wyborn** · 07-01-2004, 09:52 PM

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Super Shy Guy · 07-01-2004, 10:08 PM

googled it.

http://www.brendoman.com/archives/000414.html

imported_ · 07-01-2004, 10:22 PM

Smoke weed every day.

**Wyborn** · 07-01-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Carter:
googled it.

http://www.brendoman.com/archives/000414.html

Damn.

Erdawn Il Deus · 07-02-2004, 01:54 AM

Actually, after reading, I can see a double team of supervillains in Spiderman 3. If that scientist works at Oscorp, it would be easy to make him The Lizard, but it also leaves room for a different creation of many supervillains. Ex --The Scorpion. he was an experiment gone wrong, and quite a good character.

As for Carnage and Venom, they would need to be in two seperate movies entirely, so i doubt we'll be seeing them soon.

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Much to my bitter dissapointment... 8]

Mariosrpg89 · 07-02-2004, 11:29 AM

I loved the movie, and I also thought it was the best super-hero movie ever. When Spider-Man 3 comes out, I'm thinking the 2nd Green Goblin and Demon lizard. Wasn't that the real name as I remember it? Demon Lizard?

Jonathan Resop · 07-02-2004, 11:51 AM

Wow, me and my friend must be the only two people who thought it sucked. Oh well, I shall reiterate.

It sucked.

Or in lighter terms, it was good, but it wasn't as great as everyone else is making it out to be.

[img]tongue.gif[/img] -jay

By the way, how is anyone supposed to relate to Mary Jane, the world's biggest slut?

[ July 02, 2004, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Perrin Aybara ]

The Famous Mr. Horsehead · 07-02-2004, 11:59 AM

You know Jay, you could have just said it was overrated.

Jonathan Resop · 07-02-2004, 12:10 PM

I have more fun saying it sucked. Heh.

Plus the word overrated is overrated.-jay

Super Shy Guy · 07-02-2004, 12:15 PM

IT'S THE LIZARD! THE LIZARD!

THE LIZZZZZZZARRRRRRRRD!

homer · 07-03-2004, 12:03 AM

...Wow. I'm speechless. It was a great movie. The Action scenes had me in awe, on the side of the Building, The tower, the Train...It was all to perfect.

But Jay was right, The Dialouge was pretty lame.

Edit: Oh Yes, I forgot. I fail, I like Song Vindicated that plays during the credits. ._.

Parrakarry · 07-03-2004, 07:13 AM

Wow... according to that website Carter found, apparently the movies seriously screwed the storyline of everything else.

And Jay... I'll admit, the dialog was a bit... strained... at times. "I love you, but I can't know if you know if I know if you care if I know if you know I'm Spiderman!!!"

Jonathan Resop · 07-03-2004, 11:25 AM

^ All movies that are based on something do that. Screw up whatever they were based on. Its some sort of law or something.-jay

Parrakarry · 07-03-2004, 12:22 PM

Hey, the LotR movies didn't screw up the books...

...much...

Jonathan Resop · 07-03-2004, 12:36 PM

Heh. I have a friend who's a huge LotR fan, but was so pissed off at what Jackson screwed up in the second one, that he never saw the third one.-jay

AJ Middleton · 07-03-2004, 12:41 PM

I liked it. My god Jay, you need to understand the concept of "suspension of disbelief." You have to do it to appreciate fiction.

So I think I get the script. Although, I must admit, it was very corny at times, I think they were aiming towards the comic book and Spidey feel. Comics tend to be over the top, and Spider-man always had a light mood to it. This also explains some of the ridiculous scenes, like the "Parker is a new man" and "MJ leaves her wedding" parts. And how can you forget the whole train aftermath? Hahahaha, wow. The thing is, that style comes off very odd in live-action. But it isn't that bad if you try to keep the intent in mind.

The computer animation wasn't as horrible as I expected. It was still overused, but whatever.

Continuity issue: How did Doc Ock sneak out of Harry's room? DOESN'T HE STOMP EVERYWHERE?! And...lol...no one saw him squeeze out of the room? Sorry director, but you can't just make a really loud character with huge metalic arms as silent as a ghost for one scene. My friend and I started cracking up.

Harry becomes Green Goblin 2. John Jameson is Man-Wolf, and Dr. Connors is the Lizard, but I don't know if they'll use those for the next movie.

It's expected that movie versions of comic books will be "based on," because comic series themselves have like 8976918 different timelines.

And MJ knowing that he's Spider-Man IS accurate.

[ July 03, 2004, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Sir Bolt ]

07-01-2004, 08:34 PM	#21
homer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Omicron Persei 8 Posts: 3,911 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,468.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,968.00 Donate	^ Yes, I'm aware, I would just like to see them as the villains.

07-01-2004, 09:07 PM	#22
Jonathan Resop Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 33,422.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,922.00 Donate	Spiderman 2... SPOILERS ...sucked. Really. At least compared to the first one. Compared to the first, it sucked really bad. Ok, before you kill me, I enjoyed it. I thought it was funny, and the action was awesome. The action scenes were some of the best ever. BUT FOR DEAR LORD, The romance in that movie was the absolute worst and corniest thing I've ever seen. It was so FRIGGEN annoying. MJ:"Oh, do you love me, Peter." PP:"I don't know if I love you." MJ:"But I know that you love me." PP:"But I don't know if I know if I love you." MJ:"But I know that you know that you really love me." PP:"I'm not sure if I'm sure I know I'm ready to love you." MM:"I love someone else, but I'm sure that you know that I know that you know that you love me." PP:"But I have to be Spiderman now. I'm an IDIOT who has to many problems and doesn't realize that a HOT girl is in front of me who wants me BAD." MJ:"Oh wait, I'm getting married to someone else." PP:"Oh poo, I'm sad now." MJ:"Oh wait, I don't want to marry him, I love you." PP:"But I don't know if I know if I can love you." (Continue until Peter Parker SOMEHOW gets the girl ANYWAY, in spite of the fact that he was a complete JERK and IDIOT through the ENTIRE MOVIE) The dialogue in that movie completely SUCKED. It was so bad, it started to just be funny. It was so terrible. My God, it was like watching the terrible love scenes in Star Wars Episode II. So...yeah...that's what I thought. Oh, and I don't think they could have made it any more OBVIOUS that they want to make a DAMN SEQUEL. Oh, and what's the deal with everyone knowing that he's Spiderman now. Doesn't that, like, ruin the whole point if everyone knows he's Spiderman? Wee...-jay [ July 01, 2004, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Perrin Aybara ]

07-01-2004, 09:14 PM	#23
Tonberry2k Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Pensacola, FL Gender: Posts: 5,177 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 15,897.81 Bank: 530.66 Total Points: 16,428.47 Donate	I think Venom would throw the series over the top. As of now it's been advances in science gone wrong. Beliveable. Suddenly throwing an alien into the mix would be absurd. Some things just don't translate to screen and Venom/Carnage would be a couple of those things.

07-01-2004, 09:38 PM	#24
Super Shy Guy Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the seven seas Posts: 8,969 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,577.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 9,077.00 Donate	[SPOILERS] . . . . Personally, I think the Lizard is a much more interesting villain than Carnage. Sure, it'd be really cool to see Carnage go crazy all over the city, but the Lizard has a much more interesting concept and personality and everything. Not to mention that introducing and explaining the symbiote, doing the whole symbiote saga, and introducing Brock and having him gain the symbiote and everything would take at least 2 movies. I think there were like 5 Green Goblins. I know there was at least one after Harry. I think that Mysterio would be a really cool villain to use, too.

07-01-2004, 10:08 PM	#26
Super Shy Guy Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the seven seas Posts: 8,969 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,577.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 9,077.00 Donate	googled it. http://www.brendoman.com/archives/000414.html

07-01-2004, 10:22 PM	#27
imported_ Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,183.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,683.00 Donate	Smoke weed every day.

07-02-2004, 01:54 AM	#29
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,960 Thanks: 4 Thanked 43 Times in 37 Posts Points: 21,563.02 Bank: 672.93 Total Points: 22,235.95 Donate	Actually, after reading, I can see a double team of supervillains in Spiderman 3. If that scientist works at Oscorp, it would be easy to make him The Lizard, but it also leaves room for a different creation of many supervillains. Ex --The Scorpion. he was an experiment gone wrong, and quite a good character. As for Carnage and Venom, they would need to be in two seperate movies entirely, so i doubt we'll be seeing them soon. ... Much to my bitter dissapointment... 8]

07-02-2004, 11:29 AM	#30
Mariosrpg89 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mario's Pad Gender: Posts: 3,191 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 10,840.56 Bank: 541.43 Total Points: 11,381.99 Donate	I loved the movie, and I also thought it was the best super-hero movie ever. When Spider-Man 3 comes out, I'm thinking the 2nd Green Goblin and Demon lizard. Wasn't that the real name as I remember it? Demon Lizard?

07-02-2004, 11:51 AM	#31
Jonathan Resop Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 33,422.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,922.00 Donate	Wow, me and my friend must be the only two people who thought it sucked. Oh well, I shall reiterate. It sucked. Or in lighter terms, it was good, but it wasn't as great as everyone else is making it out to be. [img]tongue.gif[/img] -jay By the way, how is anyone supposed to relate to Mary Jane, the world's biggest slut? [ July 02, 2004, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Perrin Aybara ]

07-02-2004, 11:59 AM	#32
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07-02-2004, 12:10 PM	#33
Jonathan Resop Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 33,422.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,922.00 Donate	I have more fun saying it sucked. Heh. Plus the word overrated is overrated.-jay

07-02-2004, 12:15 PM	#34
Super Shy Guy Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the seven seas Posts: 8,969 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,577.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 9,077.00 Donate	IT'S THE LIZARD! THE LIZARD! THE LIZZZZZZZARRRRRRRRD!

07-03-2004, 12:03 AM	#35
homer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Omicron Persei 8 Posts: 3,911 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,468.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,968.00 Donate	...Wow. I'm speechless. It was a great movie. The Action scenes had me in awe, on the side of the Building, The tower, the Train...It was all to perfect. But Jay was right, The Dialouge was pretty lame. Edit: Oh Yes, I forgot. I fail, I like Song Vindicated that plays during the credits. ._.

07-03-2004, 07:13 AM	#36
Parrakarry Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 10,683 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,625.81 Bank: 597.55 Total Points: 9,223.36 Donate	Wow... according to that website Carter found, apparently the movies seriously screwed the storyline of everything else. And Jay... I'll admit, the dialog was a bit... strained... at times. "I love you, but I can't know if you know if I know if you care if I know if you know I'm Spiderman!!!"

07-03-2004, 11:25 AM	#37
Jonathan Resop Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 33,422.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,922.00 Donate	^ All movies that are based on something do that. Screw up whatever they were based on. Its some sort of law or something.-jay

07-03-2004, 12:22 PM	#38
Parrakarry Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 10,683 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,625.81 Bank: 597.55 Total Points: 9,223.36 Donate	Hey, the LotR movies didn't screw up the books... ...much...

07-03-2004, 12:36 PM	#39
Jonathan Resop Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 33,422.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 33,922.00 Donate	Heh. I have a friend who's a huge LotR fan, but was so pissed off at what Jackson screwed up in the second one, that he never saw the third one.-jay

07-03-2004, 12:41 PM	#40
AJ Middleton Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,133.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,633.00 Donate	I liked it. My god Jay, you need to understand the concept of "suspension of disbelief." You have to do it to appreciate fiction. So I think I get the script. Although, I must admit, it was very corny at times, I think they were aiming towards the comic book and Spidey feel. Comics tend to be over the top, and Spider-man always had a light mood to it. This also explains some of the ridiculous scenes, like the "Parker is a new man" and "MJ leaves her wedding" parts. And how can you forget the whole train aftermath? Hahahaha, wow. The thing is, that style comes off very odd in live-action. But it isn't that bad if you try to keep the intent in mind. The computer animation wasn't as horrible as I expected. It was still overused, but whatever. Continuity issue: How did Doc Ock sneak out of Harry's room? DOESN'T HE STOMP EVERYWHERE?! And...lol...no one saw him squeeze out of the room? Sorry director, but you can't just make a really loud character with huge metalic arms as silent as a ghost for one scene. My friend and I started cracking up. Harry becomes Green Goblin 2. John Jameson is Man-Wolf, and Dr. Connors is the Lizard, but I don't know if they'll use those for the next movie. It's expected that movie versions of comic books will be "based on," because comic series themselves have like 8976918 different timelines. And MJ knowing that he's Spider-Man IS accurate. [ July 03, 2004, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Sir Bolt ]