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Demonicus Prime · 09-02-2007, 09:55 AM

You're just used to Dragon Dynasty, Bomby.

Chunky Kong12345 · 09-02-2007, 11:20 AM

I wonder what Bomby thinks about the Matrix.

Bomby · 09-02-2007, 12:11 PM

The Matrix actually used slow motion in innovative ways, as did Hard-Boiled, The Killer, and many of the films from the Hong Kong action renaissance of the late 80's.

Actually, slow motion often works very well for most "shoot 'em up" type action movies. But for a movie like 300, where the action is mostly based in short range combat with spears and swords, it just bogs the whole pace of the movie down.

It wasn't just the slow motion in the action scenes that bothered me: slow motion was EVERYWHERE! When Leonidas' wife was just walking around, they had it in slow motion. The sex scene was in slow motion. It was annoying and gimmicky.

(Not to mention that the scene when there are thousands of arrows flying at the Spartans appears a complete ripoff of Zhang Yimou's Hero, though the 300 graphic novel might have appeared beforehand.)

Ike · 09-02-2007, 12:35 PM

I just saw movie last week and I thought they did a good job with the movie as well. The slow motion and the narration didn't really bother me at all.

Judas Iscariot · 09-08-2007, 11:30 PM

Ah, 300, one of the most over rated movies.

Also, by coincidence I'm sure, the most homoerotic movie until the release of High School Musical 2.

I tried to watch the movie three times before I finally gave in and watched the movie through.

The first time I was like "I did not just see a crab person did I? I better not have. Yeah, I did. I'm going to bed."

The second time I was expecting the crab person and managed to get a little ways through the movie when, by no fault of my own, I fell asleep.

Finally I managed to see the whole thing through and I still don't know what the big deal is.

As Bomby already pointed out, there was a gross overuse of slow motion. As for the story... What story? This movie is as flat as The Cat in the Hat when it comes to plot, hell even more flat. The characters are uninspired cliques. "Look how badass I am" is about as deep as they get. Even the women do tough guy posturing.

The action wasn't even well choreographed. Choreography doesn't come into play when you break into slow mo every thirty seconds and otherwise do crane shots of CGI warriors.

**Sean P Kelly** · 09-09-2007, 08:39 PM

Let me clarify something for everyone: The film is based on a GRAPHIC NOVEL!

It supposed be neither historically accurate or realistic (Frank Miller even says so on the DVD). So stop treating the film so seriously.

Sim Kid · 09-09-2007, 09:24 PM

There actually was some historical accuracy in there, but it was mostly meant to show us how good special effects can be. I think that was probably the best use of the Blue screen ever.

Judas Iscariot · 09-09-2007, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean P Kelly

Let me clarify something for everyone: The film is based on a GRAPHIC NOVEL!

It supposed be neither historically accurate or realistic (Frank Miller even says so on the DVD). So stop treating the film so seriously.

So we should lower our standards in cases of films being based off of Graphic Novels?

Hey, Sin City and V for Vendetta were actually pretty good. They were also based off graphic novels.

300 just did it wrong.

**Kargath** · 09-09-2007, 11:12 PM

V for Vendetta was a shockingly bad film when compared to the original source.

**Sean P Kelly** · 09-10-2007, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

So we should lower our standards in cases of films being based off of Graphic Novels?

Hey, Sin City and V for Vendetta were actually pretty good. They were also based off graphic novels.

300 just did it wrong.

Did you even read the 300 graphic novel? I flipped through it and the film is quite close.

Bomby · 09-10-2007, 09:24 AM

Being based off a graphic novel is also no excuse for slow, boring action and misusage of voiceover.

On the bright side, Judas, it looks like we're not the only ones who didn't like this movie.

The Joker · 09-11-2007, 11:29 AM

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(Not to mention that the scene when there are thousands of arrows flying at the Spartans appears a complete ripoff of Zhang Yimou's Hero, though the 300 graphic novel might have appeared beforehand.)

This scene was first created by Frank Miller for the graphic novel and does in fact predate Zhang's version. The phrase that precedes this particular scene "we shall fight in the shade" was a direct quote from one of the surviving Spartans and became a famous saying showing the tenacity of the Spartan warriors.

Judas Iscariot · 09-15-2007, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean P Kelly

Did you even read the 300 graphic novel? I flipped through it and the film is quite close.

No, if you have to read the comic to enjoy the movie the film makers really did it wrong.

***CaptHayfever*** · 09-15-2007, 05:25 PM

Well, the same applies if you have to know the exact details of history to enjoy the movie.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Chunky Kong12345 · 09-15-2007, 07:24 PM

I'm hoping most of you know this is historically based on the Battle of Thermopylae.

**Sean P Kelly** · 09-15-2007, 08:49 PM

When Frank Miller made the graphic novel, he took the basic story and presented it as a larger than life story told to hype soldiers into battle (hence the narration)

The DVD special features are actually quite interesting in how they compare and contrast history with Frank Miller's vision.

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09-02-2007, 09:55 AM	#41
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09-02-2007, 12:35 PM	#44
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Judas Iscariot Newbie Join Date: Jun 2006 Gender: Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 604.93 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 604.93 Donate	Ah, 300, one of the most over rated movies. Also, by coincidence I'm sure, the most homoerotic movie until the release of High School Musical 2. I tried to watch the movie three times before I finally gave in and watched the movie through. The first time I was like "I did not just see a crab person did I? I better not have. Yeah, I did. I'm going to bed." The second time I was expecting the crab person and managed to get a little ways through the movie when, by no fault of my own, I fell asleep. Finally I managed to see the whole thing through and I still don't know what the big deal is. As Bomby already pointed out, there was a gross overuse of slow motion. As for the story... What story? This movie is as flat as The Cat in the Hat when it comes to plot, hell even more flat. The characters are uninspired cliques. "Look how badass I am" is about as deep as they get. Even the women do tough guy posturing. The action wasn't even well choreographed. Choreography doesn't come into play when you break into slow mo every thirty seconds and otherwise do crane shots of CGI warriors.

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09-15-2007, 08:49 PM	#56
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,218 Thanks: 9 Thanked 40 Times in 31 Posts Points: 172,643.99 Bank: 55,506.27 Total Points: 228,150.26 Donate	When Frank Miller made the graphic novel, he took the basic story and presented it as a larger than life story told to hype soldiers into battle (hence the narration) The DVD special features are actually quite interesting in how they compare and contrast history with Frank Miller's vision.