Whatever happened to the anti-hero?

Bomby · 06-01-2007, 09:30 AM

Remember when the main characters of movies were allowed to be morally ambiguous - or even morally corrupt - and despite all this, we still cheered them on?

This thread is dedicated to all the anti-heroes and anti-heroines of cinema past.

Codiekitty · 06-01-2007, 10:25 AM

Where are these lemmings going? Not the Super Nintendo Super Shire! They know to go to Codiekitty.com now!

**Booyakasha** · 06-01-2007, 11:17 AM

I don't see it. If anything, I'd suggest that antiheroes are the norm and heroes are the exception these days.

Sim Kid · 06-01-2007, 12:01 PM

^No...Emo heroes are the norm nowadays.

t3hDarkness · 06-01-2007, 04:00 PM

Long live the anti hero.

Actually its hard to tell an anti hero anymore without any true heros to compare them against.

We still need Magical Bastard Truthsayer Spidey.

Bomby · 06-01-2007, 04:04 PM

Recent movies with an anti-hero I can think of:

Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang
You could argue Oldboy
Kill Bill and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance would REALLY be stretching it.

Even if there are still antiheroes today, they are simply not as unlikably likable as Travis Bickle or Sasori (the REAL Sasori, not that bitch from Naruto).

t3hDarkness · 06-01-2007, 04:12 PM

No what about main heroes that know they are bad, but still fight for a better future.

Acradius · 06-01-2007, 10:21 PM

Han definitely falls in the 'ambiguous morals' category. Yeah, the empire may be the bad guys, but if they paid him enough, he'd smuggle for them too.

**Booyakasha** · 06-09-2007, 02:17 PM

^Maybe at first. Han straightens out pretty well by the end of the first movie, though.

Frumie Bandy · 06-09-2007, 03:04 PM

**Perrin Aybara** · 06-11-2007, 10:01 PM

If you want an anti-hero, read the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. He's a leper and a rapist.-jay

**Dr. Horrible** · 06-11-2007, 10:25 PM

***CaptHayfever*** · 06-12-2007, 05:52 PM

They aren't completely extinct.

And remember, "I'm-a Wario; I'm-a gonna win!"

Koga · 06-13-2007, 08:02 AM

I often find myself 'cheering on' or 'rooting for' the guy you're not supposed to sympthatise with. Recent examples include Matt Damon in the Departed and Anthony Hopkins in Fracture. I think Jack Sparrow, like Deku pointed out, is also a very good example of a recent anti-hero. You never really know whose side he's on, but he's always got your sympathy.

Bomby · 06-13-2007, 08:58 AM

If these are today's anti-heroes... they're pretty damn weak.

***CaptHayfever*** · 06-13-2007, 02:52 PM

Really, any heist movie stars anti-heroes, as do Thank You for Smoking, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, et cet,.....these are all of wildly varying quality, but they're still anti-heroes.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Dr. Horrible** · 06-13-2007, 05:41 PM

I kinda liked this Anti-Hero too.

***CaptHayfever*** · 06-14-2007, 01:54 AM

^Rock on, Rainbow Randolph.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Koga · 06-14-2007, 07:48 AM

Aaron Eckhart in Thank You For Smoking was awesome.

06-01-2007, 09:30 AM	#1
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06-01-2007, 11:17 AM	#3
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,877 Thanks: 77 Thanked 366 Times in 233 Posts Points: 11,593.50 Bank: 24,179.62 Total Points: 35,773.12 Donate	I don't see it. If anything, I'd suggest that antiheroes are the norm and heroes are the exception these days. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

06-09-2007, 02:17 PM	#9
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,877 Thanks: 77 Thanked 366 Times in 233 Posts Points: 11,593.50 Bank: 24,179.62 Total Points: 35,773.12 Donate	^Maybe at first. Han straightens out pretty well by the end of the first movie, though. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

06-09-2007, 03:04 PM	#10
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06-01-2007, 10:25 AM	#2
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Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 6,869 Thanks: 9 Thanked 54 Times in 29 Posts Points: 34,697.04 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 35,197.04 Donate	^No...Emo heroes are the norm nowadays.

06-01-2007, 04:00 PM	#5
t3hDarkness Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I've been lost here before Gender: Posts: 4,154 Thanks: 43 Thanked 110 Times in 88 Posts Points: 12,895.57 Bank: 86,321.85 Total Points: 99,217.42 Donate	Long live the anti hero. Actually its hard to tell an anti hero anymore without any true heros to compare them against. We still need Magical Bastard Truthsayer Spidey.

06-01-2007, 04:04 PM	#6
Bomby My name is Stereotype with an A Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Searching the city for Sci-Fi Wasabi Gender: Posts: 15,188 Thanks: 210 Thanked 613 Times in 399 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Points: 7,805.40 Bank: 2,506,696.76 Total Points: 2,514,502.17 Donate	Recent movies with an anti-hero I can think of: Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang You could argue Oldboy Kill Bill and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance would REALLY be stretching it. Even if there are still antiheroes today, they are simply not as unlikably likable as Travis Bickle or Sasori (the REAL Sasori, not that bitch from Naruto).

06-01-2007, 04:12 PM	#7
t3hDarkness Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I've been lost here before Gender: Posts: 4,154 Thanks: 43 Thanked 110 Times in 88 Posts Points: 12,895.57 Bank: 86,321.85 Total Points: 99,217.42 Donate	No what about main heroes that know they are bad, but still fight for a better future.

06-01-2007, 10:21 PM	#8
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06-13-2007, 08:02 AM	#14
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 105,708.41 Bank: 19,215.78 Total Points: 124,924.19 Donate	I often find myself 'cheering on' or 'rooting for' the guy you're not supposed to sympthatise with. Recent examples include Matt Damon in the Departed and Anthony Hopkins in Fracture. I think Jack Sparrow, like Deku pointed out, is also a very good example of a recent anti-hero. You never really know whose side he's on, but he's always got your sympathy.

06-13-2007, 08:58 AM	#15
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06-13-2007, 02:52 PM	#16
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06-13-2007, 05:41 PM	#17
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06-14-2007, 01:54 AM	#18
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06-14-2007, 07:48 AM	#19
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 105,708.41 Bank: 19,215.78 Total Points: 124,924.19 Donate	Aaron Eckhart in Thank You For Smoking was awesome.