Matrix Revolutions

Who the hell did Smith take control of to be able to fly? Also they coulda shown the chaos created by Smith. Not to mention the the Frenchman's involvement in the entire story was too minor. The Twins seemed to survive...where'd they disappear to?

Finally saw Revolutions tonight. (Expect Spoilers)

And overall, I thought it did a pretty decent job concluding the series.

I agree with Lurch that it seemed a little rushed at points, which was kinda annoying. It was almost like "OMG! We have to do all this stuff in 2 hours!" Since this is probably the last Matrix movie, it's a shane they had to rush it.

But my biggest beef is all of the things they left unanswered. Now, I can respect that they may want to leave a few things to the minds of the viewers, but I mean, there are so many holes in this thing. And I don't see how anyone can possibly come close to understanding it.

I also find it hard to believe that anyone can just strait out say Reloaded and Revolutions sucked. I think these people were just looking for a cheap action movie. I agree with Bolt. Movies that make you think a little are interesting. They didn't suck. They just made it so open, it's impossible to figure out what they were really trying to do.

Oh, plus, some of those added characters, like the French Guy, made no sense to me for why they were even in the movie. Or that girl in Revolutions.

But I mean, my biggest pet peeve is that they NEVER really explained how the hell Neo could do all of that stuff in the real world and, even more annoying, how the HELL Smith could take over the mind of someone in the REAL world. He's just a damn program. They kinda just glanced it over real fast and never really explained it.

I thought my roommate had a better explaination for both of those things at the end of Reloaded. He thought there was a 2nd Matrix, which was really the "Real World", and the real "Real World" was something outside even that. A shame they didn't do that, since it would have made more sense.

But yeah, overall, I was pleased. Very entertaining. And definately makes you think. I'll have to rewatch them all a few times to really get an idea of what they were trying to do.

But still...they didn't need so many plot holes and so many silly "thrown in" characters. Like what the hell was the point of the "Train-man" or whoever. It was just getting silly after a while.

The best "thrown in" character was definately the Keymaker, simply because he was just such a huge parody of the whole silly thing in himself. Heh.

Oh, and how the hell COULD Smith fly? Hehe. My only explaination is that he took over so much of the Matrix, he could bend it's rules. But that doesn't even make much sense.

But still, well done.

Oh, but I definately did NOT need to see 5 hours of people dancing in Zion at the begining of Reloaded.-jay

[imported_AJ Middleton]

And I don't see how anyone can possibly come close to understanding it.

Why did I expect that?

I agree with Bolt.

Why did I NOT expect that?

Oh, plus, some of those added characters, like the French Guy, made no sense to me for why they were even in the movie. Or that girl in Revolutions.

His name is the Merovingian! His name alone was enough to spark a lot of interest in Reloaded. The Merovingians were a group of kings who thought they were related to Christ, but they were really bad. Like fallen angels...like a former "The One?" And Persephone, the wife of Hades, the daughter of the goddess Demeter, in Greek mythology. Ok, so she sits next to the Merovingian in the Hell Club. Ohh, that was great. SO MUCH going for them, but they ended up as nothing.

But I mean, my biggest pet peeve is that they NEVER really explained how the hell Neo could do all of that stuff in the real world

Yes they did. The Oracle said that being the One, he had a link to the Source, allowing him to have special powers.

and, even more annoying, how the HELL Smith could take over the mind of someone in the REAL world.

He took over Bane's mind in the Matrix, and when his mind was taken out, Smith was still in it.

I thought my roommate had a better explaination for both of those things at the end of Reloaded. He thought there was a 2nd Matrix, which was really the "Real World", and the real "Real World" was something outside even that. A shame they didn't do that, since it would have made more sense.

NO. NO NO NO. MATRIX IN A MATRIX SUCKS. The Wachowski brothers are too intelligent to ever bestow a thought on such an awful, cliched, twist. I'm so surprised that so many people actually thought that was the deal.

But still...they didn't need so many plot holes and so many silly "thrown in" characters. Like what the hell was the point of the "Train-man" or whoever. It was just getting silly after a while.

The Trainman is in Enter the Matrix, but that's it. That whole "between 2 worlds" thing wasn't explained all that well.

Oh, and how the hell COULD Smith fly? Hehe. My only explaination is that he took over so much of the Matrix, he could bend it's rules. But that doesn't even make much sense.

Well, he had the whole Matrix by that time. He could certainly bend the rules.

No, the Oracle's explaination of the One was just crap. That whole "link to the Source" was just silly. I mean, seriously. We are supposed to believe that the "real world" is the really the "real world". And in the "real world" I know and love, there are limitations. Everything else in the movie keep the "real world" real. That's what made it interesting. The "real world" was real and the Matrix was where crazy stuff can happen. It doesn't make any sense for Neo to do crazy stuff in the "real world". And the Oracle's one line explaination was just cheap. "Oh, well, you can do that stuff just because you're linked to the Source. La de da." I mean seriously. Give us more to work with here. Same goes with Smith. He's still just a damn computer program. And I don't see how a computer program can "upload" into biological flesh. The agents could do it in the Matrix because it's all one big computer program. But real life is real life, and I expect it to be fiction in the real world, not fantasy.

Oh, another peeve with Revolutions - Morphius just sort of "dies out" in this one. His character goes from kick-ass to ultra-wuss. And not enough screen time. I can understand that they may have just not needed him for the last movie. But at least give him some dignity.-jay

My review:

Well, this is my second official article. I hesitate to write this because the last one I wrote killed John Ritter. If Carrie-Ann Moss dies next week, I'm selling my computer.

Well, as we all know because we lived through it, The Matrix was a phenomenon. What started as a cult classic quickly built itself to be one of the greatest movies of all time. We met Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus on their quest to save humanity. When all was said and done, the world wanted more. What happened next? Was humanity saved? Did Neo and Trinity do it every night?

The Wachowski brothers pumped out two more movies to meet our demands.

We found out that Agent Smith survived his apparent death (and became the coolest character ever), The prophecy was a lie, and that Neo and Trin actually did do it every night.

The second movie, to most, was a disappointment, and they covered it up by saying it was building up to the third movie. They wouldn't lie to us... would they?

I went to see this movie on Thursday with some friends. Unfortunately, one of them had to turn and say something to me whenever something remotely "cool" happened, so I immediately wished I had chosen another seat.

We start where Reloaded left off. Neo and Smith's ***** are in comas, and the rest of the Zionites are left wondering "Well, what the hell do we do now?"

Turns out Neo is a prisoner of the Trainman, a last minute character who was retarded. The Keymaster didn't have a guy keeping him captive, so when did ol' Frenchie decide that keeping people under the watch of others was a good idea? This guy can achieve the impossible by making a woman have an orgasm. Why does he need bodyguards who can't turn into ghosts and werewolves? The Trainamn had as much power as Mario in Donkey Kong. Minus the hammer. Yes, he could jump. Yay.
In the train station of lost souls, we alos meet Apu and his family. They need to get back to the Kwik-e- Mart, and they're more expendable characters, so I won't go into detail.
Trinity and Morpheus take Seraph with them because they are lost without a leader. The Merovingian (I hate these long names I can't spell...) is the only one who can give them Neo. He does. Big surprise. For a second, I almost wished everyone had died in that nightclub like Trinity said. The Merovingian instead gives them Neo, freeing his mind, and here is also Persephone's only line in the movie.
What pisses me off is that Mero, Pers, and even the Architect are built up to be almighty characters in Reloaded, but end up being throw away roles in Revolutions.

Neo soon wakes up, and the movie really takes off.

My second problem with Revolutions was something I noticed immediately. The Oracle got way too much screen time. I liked her more in the first movie when she was just an enigma, not a search engine.

Trinity: "What now?"
Neo: "www.oracle.com..... Search for 'wtf do we do?'"

and Seraph, while a cool character, wasn't really important in the third film. He just was supposed to fight Neo in part 2. He served his purpose, why couldn't he die before this movie?

Without giving too much away, we'll skip to the fight for Zion, in which every second banana in the movie gets to be showcased doing wat extras do best; dying.

I was hoping that annoying kid from Reloaded would die, but instead he pulls an Anakin Skywalker and saves the day. ****er.

By now Neo is in the heart of robotown talking to the source. He gives him one more shot to destroy Smith and give peace to both worlds. There's a big Superman-versus-Bizarro-Superman-overuse-of-3D-water-effects-fight-scene here. I love Hugo Weaving in this series. He's so cool. It was sad to see him go.

The rest of this article is big spoilers. (Don't tell me you didn't know Smith was gonna die.)

Trinity- dead
Smith- dead
Neo- dead
Matrix Franchise- dead

I came into this article with the intent of giving this movie a 7, but after reading through it all, it's going lower. This should've been called Matrix 3: secondary characters get more screentime.

Overall: 5/10

[ November 09, 2003, 01:35 AM: Message edited by: Lando Griffin ]

Yeah. Too many side characters. Not enough Morphius.-jay

*SPOLIER*

(im my opinion, if your in this topic not wanting to get spoiled or havent seen it...your a dumbass [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

Dont look at it that Smith got killed and defeated. His vendetta was to destroy Mr. Anderson. He did, Neo had to kill himself in order to undo Smith in the Matrix.

So in software heaven, Smith is like walking around like he has a 10 foot penis. "I took the One down with me." Hehe. Lame way to look at it? Oh well.

[ November 09, 2003, 01:50 AM: Message edited by: PeeNark ]

[Dr. Horrible]

*spoilers, obviously*
Neo is connected to the source. The machines are connected to the source. Neo is able to screw up the machines as they are both wirelessly connected to the source and Neo has all those screw up programing with his mind powers.

The Agent Smith that was fighting Neo in the end was the one that was copied over the Oracle. He became really powerful through that, apparently including the ability to fly, prophecise, and such.

[imported_AJ Middleton]

Did Neo die? We see him be raised to the source in a golden light, a light that clearly resembles the Gates of Heaven. But the light is how he "saw" things from his point of view.

Originally posted by Perrin Aybara:
[QB]That whole "link to the Source" was just silly. I mean, seriously. We are supposed to believe that the "real world" is the really the "real world". And in the "real world" I know and love, there are limitations. Everything else in the movie keep the "real world" real. That's what made it interesting. The "real world" was real and the Matrix was where crazy stuff can happen. It doesn't make any sense for Neo to do crazy stuff in the "real world". And the Oracle's one line explaination was just cheap. "Oh, well, you can do that stuff just because you're linked to the Source. La de da." I mean seriously. Give us more to work with here.

Are we supposed to believe that machines could actually become smart enough to hook up every human in the world to a pretty efficient computer program that satisfys the mind while killing them at the same time? Are we suppose to believe that human energy can power machines that don't seem to have been programed by anyone. Hey Jay? SCIENCE FICTION. It's called "suspension of disbelief." None of it is real. This isn't the real world you know and love; it's the dystopian real world of the Washowski Brothers. Neo, being special, has a direct connection to the Source. The machines have a direct connection to the Source. Therefore, Neo has a direct connection to the machines. The Oracle took enough time to explain it. (If you look at the Source as God and Neo as Jesus, it all makes more sense.)

Same goes with Smith. He's still just a damn computer program. And I don't see how a computer program can "upload" into biological flesh. The agents could do it in the Matrix because it's all one big computer program. But real life is real life, and I expect it to be fiction in the real world, not fantasy.

The hackers are all part of the Matrix when they jack in. A bullet, a program, can kill the mind, even though it's not "real." Agents don't really take over a mind as much as push it out of the way. Smith, being a virus, can completely take over a person in the Matrix, which it taking over their mind. It's just like how a fall can still kill, or a bullet from a gun. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.

But, alas Jay, we all know how you are with thought-provoking plot points.

The golden light in the ending... (when the ropey things are down and he's just starting to be carried away) I thought it looked awfully like a woman's hipbones, and Neo was in the womb. Hence.... rebirth. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Maybe it was just me.

[imported_AJ Middleton]

^Interesting. I saw it as coming into the Kingdom of Heaven. Oh well, rebirth, Heaven, same gist.

Revolutions is the best in the trilogy. Origonal's just beehind it and Reloaded is the worst(but it still rocks). When i firstaw reloaded I thought it rocked, but after renting it again, it wasn't as good as the first one.
When I saw Revolutions (yesterday) I thought it rocked but was a little confused. A fter thinking about the greatest mysteries were solved.
1.How can Smith fly?
OK in the original Smith's the leader of the trio of agents asigned to the Nebuchandezzer. "There strength still depends on rules" Morpheous said something like this in the original. When Neo jumped into Smith theor code was mixed up. Some of Neo went into Smith.So he doesn't return to the source. Now when Smith and Neo meet again one of his clones says that they're "Compelled to disobey". One of the rules was that he couldn't fly, and since some of Neo was in Smith he could bend the rules too and was compelled to.

2What's up with Morpheous?
In the first 2 Morphy was a leader like guy. But most of his spirit came from knowing that he would find the One, and he was a captain. In Reloaded, both of these are taken away from him.

[imported_Parrakarry]

My opinion, as was Jay's roommate, was the Matrix within a Matrix. From the way the Architect talked, I was absolutely SURE of it, too. "Choose x males and x females to repopulate Zion." Why the hell would they WANT Zion? They want to DESTROY Zion and have all humans under their control. Therefore, I figured the Architect was some god-like figure who knew about both Matrices, and what was outside them. This hypothesis was further bolstered by the fact that Neo blew up the squiddies. However... all we got was a vague "Yeah, the source code and stuff. Uh-huh." Tell me, O wise and wonderful Bolt, if it was the "source code" of the Matrix that gave Neo his powers, why COULD he use them outside of the Matrix? Yes, I understand that the squiddies were connected to the source (although that's pretty stupid of the enemies to do that), but surely the bombs launched from the warships weren't? And even if they WERE, why could Neo see after being blinded? It wasn't really sight, not necessarily, but he could still "see" in a sense...

Way, way too vague to be an awesome movie... still a good one. Once the plot's cleared up with the next movie, everything'll be all good.

I got forced to see it last night. I was bored half to sleep because I got the storyline, which was as boring as Math Class. If I actually want to think, then I'd rather watch The Twilight Zone , it's not as overrated as the Matrix (They might as well change Magic: The Gathering to Matrix: The Gathering. They'll get about a million dollars if they do it. ) No thank you, I don't have any plans on buying the Matrix. If I want to watch overrated stuff, I'll just watch Spongebob Squarepants (Which is as overrated as hell.), Catdog (That show doesn't even belong on the Crap TV channel.), Pokemon, or replay Shining Force and Final Fantasy 7 (Just think-Final Fantasy X-2 might even dethrone FF7 as the most overrated game of all time)

[ November 09, 2003, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Douglas of the Red Atlamilla ]

[imported_AJ Middleton]

You missed a very important point that the Architect made; Zion is necessary for stability. As with everything, there will always be the deviations. Most people will accept the Matrix, but others will rebel. And, in order to achieve stability, those who rebel need somewhere to go-- Zion. The rejects are kicked out and are systematically disposed of whenever they become too much of a trouble. Remember, the Zion before Neo's (the 6th, right?) lasted only 3 days.

Neo was mentally and physically connected to the Matrix. Remember, these aren't ordinary people. They aren't born in a womb, and they all can handle having needles stuck into their body and brains. Mentally, Neo was designed with the "flaw" that allowed him to control the Matrix. Physically, he had a stronger link to the Source. This link allowed him to use the powers that the Source had, including stopping machines. The bombs are still machines. Neo's like a god on earth...

I figure he could still see because of his powers as well. Notice how he can only see machine energy, because it's all a part of him.

The symbolism of Neo in Revolutions is over the top-- he is Jesus. The Source is like God and Neo is Jesus. Born from the Source, he has abilities from it. I'm sure his blind sight means something too. Get it?

Revolutions is so laden in symbolism that if you don't get it, you won't fully appreciate the story.

[ November 09, 2003, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: BoltDragoon ]

[Lurch1982]

Bolt, you missed a very important point the oracle made...the architect is full of it.
He was designed to balance the equation in any form, while the oracle was designed to unbalance it (hence why she sacrificed herself to give her "powers" to Agent Smith and thus unbalance the entire equation).

Its too much of a stretch in the story to say that Neo was engineered to have psychic powers. They never really give a clear explanation to that, aside from he's "connected" to the source. That means a whole lot of nothing. Like many of the other plot "twists" in revolutions, that is a lame cop-out used instead of a good story.

Does anyone else find it weird that it took like 2 years to make a sequel to the first one but like a month to make the 3rd?

[Lurch1982]

They were filmed at the same time during that time period. Revolutions was at the tail-end of post production when Reloaded hit the theatres.

[WEAPON]

I liked it.

That is all.

[imported_AJ Middleton]

Originally posted by Lurch1982:
Bolt, you missed a very important point the oracle made...the architect is full of it.

No, I didn't miss that. I don't think she meant that the Architect was 100% wrong. She even agreed on the whole choice thing herself. Mainly, the Oracle said he was wrong about Zion being destroyed if Neo didn't pick people to recreate it.

Its too much of a stretch in the story to say that Neo was engineered to have psychic powers.

Not psychic powers. He's just part of the Source.