Live Free or Die Hard - VGF

Smarmy Vent · 06-27-2007, 09:09 PM

I saw the full trailer and laughed my ass off.

ShyGuy727 · 06-28-2007, 12:26 AM

Heard it actually wasn't that bad, but some of the action was a little over-the-top (but they're all like that nowadays).

And the guy that played Han in Tokyo Drift is in it I guess. Score.

***CaptHayfever*** · 06-28-2007, 12:29 AM

I'm seeing good reviews.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

YOU ARE MY FRIENDS · 06-28-2007, 12:39 AM

My local newspaper gave it one star, but I haven't listened to them since they said that Superman Returns deserved Oscars.

Lurch1982 · 06-28-2007, 11:37 AM

Saw it. Fan of the series. I liked it. Not anywhere near Die Hard, maybe not on the level of Die Harder, but better than Die Hard with a Vengance.

PG-13 rating is jarring. Should have just included the extra f-bombs and blood to keep it true to the series...somehow I doubt the under 17 crowd they're trying to draw in even remembers Die Hard. There were parts in there where it just felt like it was (sloppily) cut to get the PG-13. Spoiler Below

A few scenes with Bruce Willis and the "Hi I'm a Mac" guy felt like they were cut up like the movie was on TBS. A few parts with Bruce Willis felt like they were clipping over the standard John McClaine pissed off cursing. If they pop out with an unrated DVD, that'll probably be much better.

I'd say 4/5.

**Sean P Kelly** · 06-28-2007, 03:19 PM

I'm seeing the film on the weekend.

On Monday I purchased, the Die Hard collection to catch me up.

I loved the first one. The second one was also good, but not as good. The third one would have been boring if it wasn't for Samuel L. Jackson.

However, I did get a $10 coupon with the box set, so whether or not I like the film at least I wouldn't have wasted too much money on it.

Swordmaster Link · 06-28-2007, 03:40 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing this.

Koga · 06-29-2007, 03:23 AM

I saw it yesterday and I really liked it. I think it's better than 2 and 3, but not as good as the first one. I didn't even notice the PG rating. I just read about it on IMDb, but I didn't miss the swearwords or something (I probably would've noticed if this one had Sam Jackson).

I love how this movie can use over the top action and cheesy one-liners and make it work, whereas so many other movies try the same and fail.

**Sean P Kelly** · 06-29-2007, 08:59 AM

That's another thing about the third movie. It was noticeably missing the oneliners (the only ones I noticed was some talk about Santa and the yippee-ki-yay line).

I think it was because the third one was adapted from an independent script called "Simon Says."

Lurch1982 · 06-29-2007, 12:50 PM

Well, the third one also didn't feel like a Die Hard movie. The previous two had him in smaller, enclosed places whereas the third one was spread out and didn't have the intense feel.

Die Hard 4 managed to capture that feel, and I think they did a pretty good job of grabbing the action feel over multiple states than Die Hard 3 got in NYC.

Bomby · 06-29-2007, 10:44 PM

I'll admit - I never saw any of the Die Hard series before a few weeks ago. Having watched all four within the past few weeks, I can honestly say my opinion is not tampered with any nostalgia whatsoever.

Die Hard - The original and best of the series. I'd go as far as to say it's the second greatest action movie ever made (see John Woo's Hard Boiled for number one).

Die Hard 2: Die Harder - This movie has some of the most painfully corny dialogue ever written, and the title is a bit on the cheesy side, but other than that, I feel like this is the most underrated movie in the series. Also wins the award for best usage of "Yippee ki-yay, motha****a."

Die Hard with a Vengeance - My boss and my best friend both think that this is the best movie in the series, and it's probably technically a better film than Die Hard 2, but it doesn't feel like a Die Hard film. In the case of most series, it's good to see the creators do something different, but the Die Hard formula worked.

Live Free or Die Hard - The action is a bit over the top in places, but this is easily the second best of the entire series. I found Justin Long to be the perfect choice for the role of a nerdy computer hacker, perhaps because he is engrained in my memory as being the nerdy kid from Ed. PG-13? Who cares? I'd say it's less about softening the Die Hard movies up for the younger audiences, but more that censors have become a bit more relaxed on the subject of violence. If the overall lack of swearing really bothers you, that's your problem.

**Sean P Kelly** · 06-30-2007, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby McClane

Die Hard 2: Die Harder - This movie has some of the most painfully corny dialogue ever written, and the title is a bit on the cheesy side, but other than that, I feel like this is the most underrated movie in the series. Also wins the award for best usage of "Yippee ki-yay, motha****a."

a) I think the dialouge is corny because partly because they actually scripted all the one-liners, instead of having them improvised by Bruce Willis

b) Die Harder was never really the official subtitle. It was technically the tagline of the film, yet people thought it was the subtitle so it stuck.

Bomby · 06-30-2007, 01:43 PM

A) That doesn't change the fact that it sucks.
B) I was not aware of that.

**Sean P Kelly** · 06-30-2007, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby McClane

PG-13? Who cares? I'd say it's less about softening the Die Hard movies up for the younger audiences, but more that censors have become a bit more relaxed on the subject of violence. If the overall lack of swearing really bothers you, that's your problem.

Since the previous films featured blood splatters from gunshots, someone getting stabbed in the eye with an icicle, and someone getting sliced and diced with a curved knife, I would say yeah, I think this film was tamed down for the younger crowd.

I still really liked it though.

It's funny how everyone is associating Justin Long with the Mac commercials, while my main memory of is as the uber-geek in Galaxy Quest.

Lurch1982 · 06-30-2007, 09:39 PM

Am I alone in noticing the sloppy TBS-Mr. Falcon style dialog cuts and blood edits?

**Sean P Kelly** · 06-30-2007, 09:55 PM

^ The only real thing I noticed was Justin Long starting to say F***, but says S*** instead.

Oh, and Bruce Willis called people J*** Offs alot, when I think he might have meant F***heads

WolfosSmak · 07-08-2007, 01:21 AM

There probably is an unrated DVD version coming, they definitely worked around things for the PG-13 rating, and I agree that it was probably a mistake. Hopefully that DVD is an improvement. I've seen movies (Boondock Saints comes to mind) where the unrated version is completely gratuitous and not better at all,like it's just for the sake of having more blood.

I never really minded the over-the-top action: that's what I came for. When I walk into a movie called Die Hard, I'm prepared to turn off a certain amount of my brain and watch some outrageous explosions and fight scenes for a couple hours. I feel like I got my money's worth in that regard.

Bomby · 07-08-2007, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean P Kelly

The only real thing I noticed was Justin Long starting to say F***, but says S*** instead.

I think I noticed that too. That was like, right outside of Warlock's house, right?

duckduckfried · 07-10-2007, 02:04 PM

So who else has been noticing that many movies and TV shows are focusing on "terrorists" from the east, and making the "Heroic White Man" look good by always saving the day? It's a good thing that Die Hard is kinda mixing it up by making "America's National Terrorists" home grown. (If you haven't seen it, that means that americans are fighting other americans. No worries, I didn't give anything away, haha!) Kinda makes you rethink the whole "terrorist" geography right? Then again everybody has a breaking point. What do you except to see next on the screen??

The Joker · 07-13-2007, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfosSmak

There probably is an unrated DVD version coming, they definitely worked around things for the PG-13 rating, and I agree that it was probably a mistake. Hopefully that DVD is an improvement. I've seen movies (Boondock Saints comes to mind) where the unrated version is completely gratuitous and not better at all,like it's just for the sake of having more blood.

I never really minded the over-the-top action: that's what I came for. When I walk into a movie called Die Hard, I'm prepared to turn off a certain amount of my brain and watch some outrageous explosions and fight scenes for a couple hours. I feel like I got my money's worth in that regard.

When the F%@#! did WolfosSmack come back

06-27-2007, 09:09 PM	#1
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06-28-2007, 12:39 AM	#4
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06-29-2007, 10:44 PM	#11
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07-10-2007, 02:04 PM	#19
duckduckfried Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 47.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 47.00 Donate	Live Free or Die Hard...LOL So who else has been noticing that many movies and TV shows are focusing on "terrorists" from the east, and making the "Heroic White Man" look good by always saving the day? It's a good thing that Die Hard is kinda mixing it up by making "America's National Terrorists" home grown. (If you haven't seen it, that means that americans are fighting other americans. No worries, I didn't give anything away, haha!) Kinda makes you rethink the whole "terrorist" geography right? Then again everybody has a breaking point. What do you except to see next on the screen??

06-28-2007, 12:26 AM	#2
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,025 Thanks: 35 Thanked 59 Times in 44 Posts Points: 27,120.98 Bank: 11,166.02 Total Points: 38,287.00 Donate	Heard it actually wasn't that bad, but some of the action was a little over-the-top (but they're all like that nowadays). And the guy that played Han in Tokyo Drift is in it I guess. Score.

06-28-2007, 12:29 AM	#3
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06-28-2007, 11:37 AM	#5
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,116 Thanks: 119 Thanked 186 Times in 121 Posts Points: 25,259.86 Bank: 136,219.57 Total Points: 161,479.43 Donate	Saw it. Fan of the series. I liked it. Not anywhere near Die Hard, maybe not on the level of Die Harder, but better than Die Hard with a Vengance. PG-13 rating is jarring. Should have just included the extra f-bombs and blood to keep it true to the series...somehow I doubt the under 17 crowd they're trying to draw in even remembers Die Hard. There were parts in there where it just felt like it was (sloppily) cut to get the PG-13. Spoiler Below A few scenes with Bruce Willis and the "Hi I'm a Mac" guy felt like they were cut up like the movie was on TBS. A few parts with Bruce Willis felt like they were clipping over the standard John McClaine pissed off cursing. If they pop out with an unrated DVD, that'll probably be much better. I'd say 4/5.

06-28-2007, 03:19 PM	#6
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,243 Thanks: 9 Thanked 41 Times in 32 Posts Points: 177,234.15 Bank: 63,759.26 Total Points: 240,993.41 Donate	I'm seeing the film on the weekend. On Monday I purchased, the Die Hard collection to catch me up. I loved the first one. The second one was also good, but not as good. The third one would have been boring if it wasn't for Samuel L. Jackson. However, I did get a $10 coupon with the box set, so whether or not I like the film at least I wouldn't have wasted too much money on it.

06-28-2007, 03:40 PM	#7
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06-29-2007, 03:23 AM	#8
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,325.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,077.82 Donate	I saw it yesterday and I really liked it. I think it's better than 2 and 3, but not as good as the first one. I didn't even notice the PG rating. I just read about it on IMDb, but I didn't miss the swearwords or something (I probably would've noticed if this one had Sam Jackson). I love how this movie can use over the top action and cheesy one-liners and make it work, whereas so many other movies try the same and fail.

06-29-2007, 08:59 AM	#9
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,243 Thanks: 9 Thanked 41 Times in 32 Posts Points: 177,234.15 Bank: 63,759.26 Total Points: 240,993.41 Donate	That's another thing about the third movie. It was noticeably missing the oneliners (the only ones I noticed was some talk about Santa and the yippee-ki-yay line). I think it was because the third one was adapted from an independent script called "Simon Says."

06-29-2007, 12:50 PM	#10
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,116 Thanks: 119 Thanked 186 Times in 121 Posts Points: 25,259.86 Bank: 136,219.57 Total Points: 161,479.43 Donate	Well, the third one also didn't feel like a Die Hard movie. The previous two had him in smaller, enclosed places whereas the third one was spread out and didn't have the intense feel. Die Hard 4 managed to capture that feel, and I think they did a pretty good job of grabbing the action feel over multiple states than Die Hard 3 got in NYC.

06-30-2007, 01:43 PM	#13
Bomby All I Ever Wanted Was To Pick Apart the Day & Put the Pieces Back Together My Way Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: The People's Republic of Madison, WI Gender: Posts: 14,694 Thanks: 202 Thanked 445 Times in 313 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Points: 3,794.41 Bank: 1,932,597.03 Total Points: 1,936,391.44 Donate	A) That doesn't change the fact that it sucks. B) I was not aware of that.

06-30-2007, 09:39 PM	#15
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,116 Thanks: 119 Thanked 186 Times in 121 Posts Points: 25,259.86 Bank: 136,219.57 Total Points: 161,479.43 Donate	Am I alone in noticing the sloppy TBS-Mr. Falcon style dialog cuts and blood edits?

06-30-2007, 09:55 PM	#16
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,243 Thanks: 9 Thanked 41 Times in 32 Posts Points: 177,234.15 Bank: 63,759.26 Total Points: 240,993.41 Donate	^ The only real thing I noticed was Justin Long starting to say F*, but says S* instead. Oh, and Bruce Willis called people J* Offs alot, when I think he might have meant F*heads

07-08-2007, 01:21 AM	#17
WolfosSmak Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Pools of Nighttime Cafés Gender: Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,369.96 Bank: 505.00 Total Points: 1,874.96 Donate	There probably is an unrated DVD version coming, they definitely worked around things for the PG-13 rating, and I agree that it was probably a mistake. Hopefully that DVD is an improvement. I've seen movies (Boondock Saints comes to mind) where the unrated version is completely gratuitous and not better at all,like it's just for the sake of having more blood. I never really minded the over-the-top action: that's what I came for. When I walk into a movie called Die Hard, I'm prepared to turn off a certain amount of my brain and watch some outrageous explosions and fight scenes for a couple hours. I feel like I got my money's worth in that regard.