Saw IV

Valigarmander · 08-13-2007, 10:56 PM

Our Halloween tradition. Seeing as I'm the only one here who enjoys the movies, I figgered I'd post this. First, some questions...

1) The tagline? *waits for it*

2) How does LGF plan on continuing the series with Jigsaw dead? We're in for at least six Saws, comrades. What's gonna happen? Here's some **** I found, read it, bitch.

Quote:

Jigsaw (Tobin Bell) and his apprentice Amanda (Shawnee Smith) are dead. Upon the news of Detective Kerry's (Dina Meyer) murder, two seasoned FBI profilers, Agent Strahm (Scott Patterson) and Agent Perez (Athena Karkanis), arrive at the depleted police precinct and help veteran Detective Hoffman (Costas Mandylor) sift through Jigsaw's latest grizzly game of victims and piece together the puzzle. However, when SWAT Commander Rigg (Lyriq Bent), the last officer untouched by Jigsaw, is suddenly abducted and thrust into the madman's harrowing game, the officer has but ninety minutes to overcome a series of interconnected traps... or face the deadly consequences. Rigg's citywide pursuit leaves a wake of dead bodies, and Detective Hoffman and the FBI uncover long hidden clues that lead them back to Jigsaw's ex-wife Jill (Betsy Russell). The genesis of Jigsaw's evil is unveiled, exposing the puppet master's true intentions and the sinister plan for his past, present and future victims.

Discuss.

Koga · 08-14-2007, 06:31 AM

I really liked the first one, and the second one was good as well, but I haven't even seen the third one.

Swordmaster Link · 08-14-2007, 06:48 AM

Eh, they're ok. I generally don't like movies where the acting has to be over the top for an hour and a half.

Valigarmander · 08-14-2007, 07:26 AM

Cary Elwes and Shawnee Smith didn't exactly blow me away with their acting, as well as most of the other characters.

I'd like to see what happens to the characters in this next installment. There's a lot of unanswered questions, i.e. Jigsaw's ex-wife, Obi's connections to Jigsaw, the tape Jigsaw poured wax over at the end of Saw 3, what the hell happens to Jeff (from Saw 3). Woot.

Swordmaster Link · 08-14-2007, 07:42 AM

He got into a car with his friends and went back to his house.

***CaptHayfever*** · 08-15-2007, 08:54 PM

^Hardy-har.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Sean P Kelly** · 08-21-2007, 05:33 PM

I haven't seen any of the films, but if I do see one it would be the first one.

I believe that one introduced something new, however I believe the concern of all the sequels (and other "torture porn" films) is find bigger and gorier ways to kill people.

This Halloween, I will instead be seeing two films: Trick 'r Treat (opening October 5) and 30 Days of Night (Opening October 19). You can see trailers for both on YouTube.

Shine Dude · 08-21-2007, 06:08 PM

They're not that scary, but I like them.

**L007 is Undecided** · 08-21-2007, 06:20 PM

... Wait, there's a third?

Valigarmander · 10-26-2007, 11:29 PM

Alright, you heard it from me first. I just finished watching the movie in the theater, and here's my disection:

Basically, it's like the last two movies, in that it's an obvious stepping stone into the inevitable sequels (we've got at least two more coming, people). The movie was rather difficult to follow at points (like the other Saw movies), and was mainly a plot-development chapter filled with blood and guts. It also featured the customary Saw "Holy Crap, I Didn't See That Coming" ending. I was surprised. So, unless you're following the Saw storyline, or you really like the gore in your movies, I wouldn't recommend this. Rent it when it comes out on DVD if you want to see it.

A few things bothered me, though... (don't read further unless you've seen the movie or if you don't give a ****)

Spoiler Below

How were the detectives able to race around town to all the different crime scenes, examine them, and then fly back to PD to do it again in under 90 minutes?

Spoiler Below

How was John able to sedate a fully-grown man (as discreet as it was) in the middle of a huge crowd, and then carry him out?

Spoiler Below

If John Kramer's body was being disected at the beginning of the movie, why was it present in his room (from Saw III) at the end of the movie? (This can probably be explained, though, perhaps the autopsy occurred after the events of the movie.)

That's my thoughts.

**Sean P Kelly** · 10-28-2007, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valigoremander

Rent it when it comes out on DVD if you want to see it.

Or, if you want to know what happens, but don't care about actually seeing the film, do what I did and read the summary from themoviespoiler.com

Inferno Dragon · 10-29-2007, 12:02 AM

I love all the saw films, and this was no exception, Saw IV was amazing!
and I think I can answer your question Val.

Spoiler Below

all of saw IV except for the autopsy and the last bit before the credits take place simultaniously during the events of saw III

Chunky Kong12345 · 10-29-2007, 03:24 PM

So, have they jumped the shark yet?

Valigarmander · 10-29-2007, 06:32 PM

^^ I already figured that part out.

^ They haven't already?

**Sean P Kelly** · 10-30-2007, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chunky Kong12345

So, have they jumped the shark yet?

The fact that they even made a 4th film answers your question.

Valigarmander · 11-02-2007, 03:11 PM

Spoiler Below

I also have to mention, I loved Detective Matthews' muffled line when he was on that block of ice, "I don't wanna play anymore." Excellent, it just got me more than anything else in the movie. It shows what kind of hell he must have gone through for the six months he was missing.

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08-21-2007, 06:20 PM	#9
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Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 5,945 Thanks: 52 Thanked 32 Times in 25 Posts Points: 34,335.29 Bank: 21,034.57 Total Points: 55,369.86 Donate	I love the saw films! I love all the saw films, and this was no exception, Saw IV was amazing! and I think I can answer your question Val. Spoiler Below all of saw IV except for the autopsy and the last bit before the credits take place simultaniously during the events of saw III

08-14-2007, 06:31 AM	#2
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 173 Times in 116 Posts Points: 105,733.41 Bank: 19,215.78 Total Points: 124,949.19 Donate	I really liked the first one, and the second one was good as well, but I haven't even seen the third one.

08-14-2007, 06:48 AM	#3
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08-14-2007, 07:26 AM	#4
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08-21-2007, 06:08 PM	#8
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10-26-2007, 11:29 PM	#10
Valigarmander Frankly, more awesome than you. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Either UN's bed or Andre's bed. Gender: Posts: 13,001 Thanks: 788 Thanked 1,342 Times in 665 Posts Points: 173.02 Bank: 120,384.15 Total Points: 120,557.17 Donate	Alright, you heard it from me first. I just finished watching the movie in the theater, and here's my disection: Basically, it's like the last two movies, in that it's an obvious stepping stone into the inevitable sequels (we've got at least two more coming, people). The movie was rather difficult to follow at points (like the other Saw movies), and was mainly a plot-development chapter filled with blood and guts. It also featured the customary Saw "Holy Crap, I Didn't See That Coming" ending. I was surprised. So, unless you're following the Saw storyline, or you really like the gore in your movies, I wouldn't recommend this. Rent it when it comes out on DVD if you want to see it. A few things bothered me, though... (don't read further unless you've seen the movie or if you don't give a ****) Spoiler Below How were the detectives able to race around town to all the different crime scenes, examine them, and then fly back to PD to do it again in under 90 minutes? Spoiler Below How was John able to sedate a fully-grown man (as discreet as it was) in the middle of a huge crowd, and then carry him out? Spoiler Below If John Kramer's body was being disected at the beginning of the movie, why was it present in his room (from Saw III) at the end of the movie? (This can probably be explained, though, perhaps the autopsy occurred after the events of the movie.) That's my thoughts.

10-29-2007, 03:24 PM	#13
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10-29-2007, 06:32 PM	#14
Valigarmander Frankly, more awesome than you. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Either UN's bed or Andre's bed. Gender: Posts: 13,001 Thanks: 788 Thanked 1,342 Times in 665 Posts Points: 173.02 Bank: 120,384.15 Total Points: 120,557.17 Donate	^^ I already figured that part out. ^ They haven't already?

11-02-2007, 03:11 PM	#16
Valigarmander Frankly, more awesome than you. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Either UN's bed or Andre's bed. Gender: Posts: 13,001 Thanks: 788 Thanked 1,342 Times in 665 Posts Points: 173.02 Bank: 120,384.15 Total Points: 120,557.17 Donate	Spoiler Below I also have to mention, I loved Detective Matthews' muffled line when he was on that block of ice, "I don't wanna play anymore." Excellent, it just got me more than anything else in the movie. It shows what kind of hell he must have gone through for the six months he was missing.