Rap

supperdish · 01-24-2005, 06:29 PM

sucks eggs. Discuss.

I don't see why people like it. All it is is swearing and sex at light speed. Allow me to sum up your average rap song.

"OMG WTF SWEAR SWEAR I LIKE SEX SWEAR SWEAR INSULT SWEAR CONDEMN TO HELL SWEAR SEXSEXSEX"

The end.

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-24-2005, 07:09 PM

Yes, you did sum up the average rap song.

But you seem to be completely ignoring the above average ones.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Bomby · 01-24-2005, 07:58 PM

It just might be music to you, but it's a whole damn culture, a way of life for millions upon millions of people, including myself. Judging by your comments on the lyrical content, you obviously don't know anything about it,

[ January 25, 2005, 02:37 AM: Message edited by: Neko ]

Link2000 · 01-24-2005, 08:42 PM

I don't even like rap myself, but I do respect it as an art form.

[ January 25, 2005, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: Neko ]

Brandon2390 · 01-24-2005, 08:48 PM

Seriously, have you ever ever listened to a rap song other than mainstream ones? MANY people put their feelings into rap songs just as artists of other genres do, and it takes just as much talent to rap good as to do anything else good.

[ January 25, 2005, 02:38 AM: Message edited by: Neko ]

DJ Ryan · 01-24-2005, 09:01 PM

What everyone else said

imported_Andrew · 01-24-2005, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadow jr's a filthy lieing zombie:
"OMG WTF SWEAR SWEAR I LIKE SEX SWEAR SWEAR INSULT SWEAR CONDEMN TO HELL SWEAR SEXSEXSEX"

Best. song. EVAR. Ecks friggin D.

Jurassic 5>>>>>>you

**Dylan** · 01-25-2005, 12:09 AM

I hate most rap, but there are a few songs that rock my jocks.

"California Love"- Tupac
"Rock Box"- Run-DMC
"Through The Wire"- Damned if I can remember who sang that...help me out here, folks.

The main problems I have with mainstream are:
A) Sampling classic songs that rock and completely bastardizing them. I understand rock is guilty of this too (see "Another Brick in the Wall" covered by Korn), but Nelly sampling AC/DC and that cover of "Sugar" (An absolute aural holocaust, I might add.) made my blood boil.
B) It's almost never singing.
C) It's almost never about something worth listening too.
D) "Yeah"- Usher ft. Ludcris and Lil' Jon. 'Nuff said.

I haven't really heard any underground stuff (That doesn't mean bombard me with mp3's of your favorite underground artists), so I won't make inferences about it *cough*Shadow*cough*.

~Dylan

ocarinagirl · 01-25-2005, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dylan:
D) "Yeah"- Usher ft. Ludcris and Lil' Jon. 'Nuff said.

That song made me laugh till I pissed. [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

Dave Chapelle usually has some good rap near the end of his shows, so I watch for them sometimes.

Swordmaster Link · 01-25-2005, 12:35 AM

^
^ Kanye West is the name you're looking for.

Nekoscat · 01-25-2005, 03:40 AM

sorry for the extream makeover: music forum edition.. some comments people have made might have been offencive to the originator of the topic. I personally feel his post is a worthy opinion to start debate, but its not okay to trash on him for having an opinion.

(not that im taking sides)

Neko^^

DELICIOUS POISON · 01-25-2005, 07:12 PM

The majority of music is sh*t. So he's right. what people realy need to see is that there's always a ton of crap on the bottom of the pile, while the top is narrow. Music is just an extension of someone's mind, so for instance, if you go to an art show you're not guaranteed to enjoy it. You might not understand it, but that's not the point. It really just isn't meant to satisfy you. It's for someone else.

Bomby · 01-25-2005, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neko:
sorry for the extream makeover: music forum edition.. some comments people have made might have been offencive to the originator of the topic. I personally feel his post is a worthy opinion to start debate, but its not okay to trash on him for having an opinion.

(not that im taking sides)

Neko^^

Why ain't you edit his post then? What he said was way worse than what I said.

Toad556 · 01-25-2005, 08:03 PM

No, you didn't sum up an average rap song.

The majority is not just about sex and swearing, trust me.

A Lot of mainstream songs, though they are crap, and not swear-filled, and don't even mention sex, sexy women yes, but sex no.

Let us display a rap verse:

Quote:

I say da U gon do dey thing wodie please believe
If not we'll make it hard for u cowards to breave
One thing about a ghost, keeps sh* up a sleeve
Juve and skip attack the boards, while I plug em wit 3's

Every stash spot i got, I stuff it wit g's
don't need a chain or a whip to snatch me a freak..
I'd rather ride around in my hooptie blowin on trees
With two heaters in my lap..bumpin 400 degreez

I 'on rock wit juvenile. what clown? datz my dawg..
Say dat sh* again I'll wack all ya'll.
Get on some mob sh*...smack all ya'll
Prolly get on dat rob sh*...crack all ya'll

I neva talk sideways I put ya on da highway
Have ya sweatin in da chicken coop like smokey off Friday
Catch ya in da nolia have ya runnin down da driveway
Tryna bring ya down ? Yippe Ka Yay

Any sex relations in there? A couple of cuss words yes, but nothing huge.

(Need me to explain I will if you ask)

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-25-2005, 08:44 PM

See, when I said average, I meant just average-quality, which is why I then followed it up with a comment implying that ABOVE-average stuff is better.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Toad556 · 01-25-2005, 11:53 PM

Yeah, I know, I was just showing Shadow an example

Swordmaster Link · 01-26-2005, 12:14 AM

A.I. has a point.

Bomby · 01-26-2005, 12:17 AM

If you think there's no content in hip hop, listen to Ice Cube (especially the first three albums), OutKast, Public Enemy, Talib Kweli, Goodie Mob, Nas, De La Soul, Common (Sense), and the so many more hip hop artists who have plenty to say.

Ice Cube - A Bird in the Hand

Fresh out of school cause I was a high school grad
gots to get a job cuz I was a high school dad
Wish I got paid by rappin' to the nation
but thats not likely, so here's my application
Pass it to the man at AT&T
Cuz when I was in school I got the a. e. e.
But there's no s. e. for this youngsta
I didn't have no money so now I have to punch the
Clock like a slave, and be half a man
but whitey says there's no room for the African
Always knew that I would boycott, jeez
but welcome to McDonalds can I take your order please
Gotta sell ya food that might give you cancer
cuz my son doesn't take no for an answer
Now I pay taxes that you never give me back
what about diapers, bottles, and similac
Do I have to sell me a whole lotta crack
for decent shelter and clothes on my back?
Or should I just wait for help from Bush
or Jesse Jackson, and operation Push?
If you ask me the whole thing needs a douche
a masengel what the hell cracker sale in the neighborhood
To the cornerhouse *****es,
Miss parker, little joe or Todd Bridges
Or anybody that he know
so I copped me a bird, better known as a kilo
Now everybody know I went from po' to a ***** that got dough
So now you put the feds against me
cause I couldn't follow the plan of the presidency
I'm never givin' love again
But blacks are too ****in broke to be republican
Now I remember I used to be cool
till I stopped fillin' out my W-2
Now senators are gettin' hired
and your plan against the ghetto backfired
So now you got a pep talk
but sorry, this is our only room to walk
Cause we don't wanna drug push
But a bird in the hand is worth more than the bush

[ January 25, 2005, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: A Bird in the Hand ]

Nekoscat · 01-26-2005, 12:59 AM

Why didnt I edit his post, there is nothing wrong with it, its his opinion on the matter, I beleive i edit a post only if it might cause offence personally.. so xP

Anyways, my opinion on the topic.. I beleive that its pretty lame for the most part, however i listen to some rap- for no reason.. well i suppose im attracted to the beat of the music, and i just plain like MC Chris.. other than that i think it blows, and there are many problems with ebonics, and the topics rappers choose to rap about.

Neko^^

Brandon2390 · 01-26-2005, 10:32 AM

The thing is, Neko that most people dont realize the real topics rappers are rapping about. Sure there's 50 cent and people who just rap about being gangsta, though 50 was pretty good back when he was underground. Listen to:

Talib Kweli: Get By
Nas: Message to the Feds
Outkast: Any song really

There's just so many more. Another sick song is Nas - Rewind, he does a whole story backwards.

01-24-2005, 06:29 PM	#1
supperdish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: +3><@$ Gender: Posts: 4,033 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 6,561.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,061.00 Donate	sucks eggs. Discuss. I don't see why people like it. All it is is swearing and sex at light speed. Allow me to sum up your average rap song. "OMG WTF SWEAR SWEAR I LIKE SEX SWEAR SWEAR INSULT SWEAR CONDEMN TO HELL SWEAR SEXSEXSEX" The end.

01-24-2005, 07:09 PM	#2
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01-24-2005, 07:58 PM	#3
Bomby Condescending Film Jerk Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Off the coast and I'm headed nowhere Gender: Posts: 15,385 Thanks: 230 Thanked 679 Times in 431 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Points: 5,398.79 Bank: 3,743,200.94 Total Points: 3,748,599.74 Donate	It just might be music to you, but it's a whole damn culture, a way of life for millions upon millions of people, including myself. Judging by your comments on the lyrical content, you obviously don't know anything about it, [ January 25, 2005, 02:37 AM: Message edited by: Neko ]

01-24-2005, 08:42 PM	#4
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 16,871.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 17,675.37 Donate	I don't even like rap myself, but I do respect it as an art form. [ January 25, 2005, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: Neko ]

01-24-2005, 08:48 PM	#5
Brandon2390 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,415 Thanks: 6 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Points: 41,659.98 Bank: 1,400.16 Total Points: 43,060.14 Donate	Seriously, have you ever ever listened to a rap song other than mainstream ones? MANY people put their feelings into rap songs just as artists of other genres do, and it takes just as much talent to rap good as to do anything else good. [ January 25, 2005, 02:38 AM: Message edited by: Neko ]

01-24-2005, 09:01 PM	#6
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01-25-2005, 12:09 AM	#8
Dylan Banned Mod Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 6,377 Thanks: 1,009 Thanked 1,007 Times in 462 Posts Points: 38,704.71 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 38,704.72 Donate	I hate most rap, but there are a few songs that rock my jocks. "California Love"- Tupac "Rock Box"- Run-DMC "Through The Wire"- Damned if I can remember who sang that...help me out here, folks. The main problems I have with mainstream are: A) Sampling classic songs that rock and completely bastardizing them. I understand rock is guilty of this too (see "Another Brick in the Wall" covered by Korn), but Nelly sampling AC/DC and that cover of "Sugar" (An absolute aural holocaust, I might add.) made my blood boil. B) It's almost never singing. C) It's almost never about something worth listening too. D) "Yeah"- Usher ft. Ludcris and Lil' Jon. 'Nuff said. I haven't really heard any underground stuff (That doesn't mean bombard me with mp3's of your favorite underground artists), so I won't make inferences about it coughShadowcough. ~Dylan

01-25-2005, 12:35 AM	#10
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01-25-2005, 03:40 AM	#11
Nekoscat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: http://www.theafterlifels.com/ Gender: Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 4,030.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,530.00 Donate	sorry for the extream makeover: music forum edition.. some comments people have made might have been offencive to the originator of the topic. I personally feel his post is a worthy opinion to start debate, but its not okay to trash on him for having an opinion. (not that im taking sides) Neko^^

01-25-2005, 07:12 PM	#12
DELICIOUS POISON Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 16,581 Thanks: 554 Thanked 1,593 Times in 786 Posts Points: 7,371.04 Bank: 3,531,872.84 Total Points: 3,539,243.88 Donate	The majority of music is sh*t. So he's right. what people realy need to see is that there's always a ton of crap on the bottom of the pile, while the top is narrow. Music is just an extension of someone's mind, so for instance, if you go to an art show you're not guaranteed to enjoy it. You might not understand it, but that's not the point. It really just isn't meant to satisfy you. It's for someone else.

01-25-2005, 08:44 PM	#15
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,789 Thanks: 239 Thanked 943 Times in 574 Posts Points: 117,711.88 Bank: 1,847.49 Total Points: 119,559.37 Donate	See, when I said average, I meant just average-quality, which is why I then followed it up with a comment implying that ABOVE-average stuff is better. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-25-2005, 11:53 PM	#16
Toad556 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pffft <insert witty comment here> Gender: Posts: 687 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 29,409.71 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 29,909.71 Donate	Yeah, I know, I was just showing Shadow an example

01-26-2005, 12:14 AM	#17
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 30,881 Thanks: 234 Thanked 769 Times in 544 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 917.76 Bank: 2,078,289.05 Total Points: 2,079,206.81 Donate	A.I. has a point.

01-26-2005, 12:17 AM	#18
Bomby Condescending Film Jerk Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Off the coast and I'm headed nowhere Gender: Posts: 15,385 Thanks: 230 Thanked 679 Times in 431 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Points: 5,398.79 Bank: 3,743,200.94 Total Points: 3,748,599.74 Donate	If you think there's no content in hip hop, listen to Ice Cube (especially the first three albums), OutKast, Public Enemy, Talib Kweli, Goodie Mob, Nas, De La Soul, Common (Sense), and the so many more hip hop artists who have plenty to say. Ice Cube - A Bird in the Hand Fresh out of school cause I was a high school grad gots to get a job cuz I was a high school dad Wish I got paid by rappin' to the nation but thats not likely, so here's my application Pass it to the man at AT&T Cuz when I was in school I got the a. e. e. But there's no s. e. for this youngsta I didn't have no money so now I have to punch the Clock like a slave, and be half a man but whitey says there's no room for the African Always knew that I would boycott, jeez but welcome to McDonalds can I take your order please Gotta sell ya food that might give you cancer cuz my son doesn't take no for an answer Now I pay taxes that you never give me back what about diapers, bottles, and similac Do I have to sell me a whole lotta crack for decent shelter and clothes on my back? Or should I just wait for help from Bush or Jesse Jackson, and operation Push? If you ask me the whole thing needs a douche a masengel what the hell cracker sale in the neighborhood To the cornerhouse ***es, Miss parker, little joe or Todd Bridges Or anybody that he know so I copped me a bird, better known as a kilo Now everybody know I went from po' to a * that got dough So now you put the feds against me cause I couldn't follow the plan of the presidency I'm never givin' love again But blacks are too **in broke to be republican Now I remember I used to be cool till I stopped fillin' out my W-2 Now senators are gettin' hired and your plan against the ghetto backfired So now you got a pep talk but sorry, this is our only room to walk Cause we don't wanna drug push But a bird in the hand is worth more than the bush [ January 25, 2005, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: A Bird in the Hand ]

01-26-2005, 12:59 AM	#19
Nekoscat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: http://www.theafterlifels.com/ Gender: Posts: 2,690 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 4,030.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,530.00 Donate	Why didnt I edit his post, there is nothing wrong with it, its his opinion on the matter, I beleive i edit a post only if it might cause offence personally.. so xP Anyways, my opinion on the topic.. I beleive that its pretty lame for the most part, however i listen to some rap- for no reason.. well i suppose im attracted to the beat of the music, and i just plain like MC Chris.. other than that i think it blows, and there are many problems with ebonics, and the topics rappers choose to rap about. Neko^^

01-26-2005, 10:32 AM	#20
Brandon2390 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,415 Thanks: 6 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Points: 41,659.98 Bank: 1,400.16 Total Points: 43,060.14 Donate	The thing is, Neko that most people dont realize the real topics rappers are rapping about. Sure there's 50 cent and people who just rap about being gangsta, though 50 was pretty good back when he was underground. Listen to: Talib Kweli: Get By Nas: Message to the Feds Outkast: Any song really There's just so many more. Another sick song is Nas - Rewind, he does a whole story backwards.