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ADVENTURE BUS · 09-20-2006, 09:43 PM

But it's also on the rappers to decide: Is it worth it to do that? Or whatever question we're asking here.

Success of entreprenuers such as Master P and TIP should show people that they can do it by their own rules if they grind hard enough.

Bomby · 09-20-2006, 09:55 PM

Master P shows how quickly you can lose it all, too.

If the conscoius artists had more catchy beats and hooks, people might buy their albums. But then the people who supported them in the beginning would probably stop. The problem is that record labels are still convinced that you absolutely have to be a hard gangsta rapper to make money, despite Kanye West selling like 3 million on both his albums (even though Kanye's rapping skills are pretty average with occasional flashes of lyrical brilliance). Maybe if Lupe does good his first week... but I digress.

Fans being close-minded is definitely a big problem. If something gets enough play on the radio, no matter how horrible it is, people will "learn" to like it. People will start to think its cool. These same people are deaf to the underground, and pretty much refuse to listen to anything that doesn't sound like what they're used to hearing.

Case in point:

There's an infamous show by Dem Franchize Boyz from before "White Tees" hit the radio. They performed "White Tees" to a crowd that really didn't care. Three months later, "White Tees" has become a huge radio hit, and DFB comes back to the same place - this time the crowd can't get enough of them.

Not that Dem Franchize Boyz are anything close to being lyrical...

This is also where the record labels come into play. Maybe if they a bit more push to something more daring, less cliche, the quality of the music on the radio might improve. But record labels don't really care about music. They're businessmen, trying to make a dollar. A safe dollar at that. So what's the safest way to make that dollar?

That's right, copy whatever else is successful at the moment.

mushroom · 09-21-2006, 12:04 AM

Dear Mainstream Rap,

DROP THE F*CKING 808 AND START MAKING GOOD BEATS AGAIN.

Love,
mushroom

Bomby · 09-21-2006, 10:28 AM

808 is classic stuff, though. They've been using that since... Run DMC's first album. Listen to "Sucker MC's," classic 808 right there.

But, I prefer ?uestlove's drumming to an 808 any day.

mushroom · 09-21-2006, 10:53 AM

Honestly, I love the 808 as much as the next guy, but the whole "tickticktickticksnareticktickticktick..." against whatever cheese-ass keyboard preset they're using really has to go.

**Dr. Horrible** · 09-21-2006, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon2390

It's cool, your tastes are your tastes. All I'm saying is that's like saying "Dance, Dance" by Fallout Boy is better than any of the songs the Beatles or Led Zepplin made.

To be fair, a number of Beatles songs are lyrical nonsense.

***CaptHayfever*** · 09-21-2006, 04:30 PM

To be equally fair, lyrical nonsense can be really awesome.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Dr. Horrible** · 09-21-2006, 04:56 PM

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I love the stuff.

Bomby · 09-21-2006, 05:29 PM

"I Am the Walrus" >> You.

Brandon2390 · 09-22-2006, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptHayfever

To be equally fair, lyrical nonsense can be really awesome.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Depends on the Genre, Depends on the song, Depends on a lot of different things. In Hip hop, most of the time you have to have lyrical skills because the beats are made by synthesizers. I liked the beatles cause they had some pretty crazy melodies though, not really for their lyrics.

ShyGuy727 · 09-22-2006, 11:45 PM

"Chain Hang Low">>>>>>>>>>>>>you

Love it.

GRENTLEMEN · 09-23-2006, 05:57 AM

Saul Williams is the closest thing to rap I listen to, lately. Damn clever poet.

09-20-2006, 09:43 PM	#21
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09-20-2006, 09:55 PM	#22
Bomby All I Ever Wanted Was To Pick Apart the Day & Put the Pieces Back Together My Way Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: The People's Republic of Madison, WI Gender: Posts: 14,694 Thanks: 202 Thanked 445 Times in 313 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Points: 3,819.41 Bank: 1,932,597.03 Total Points: 1,936,416.44 Donate	Master P shows how quickly you can lose it all, too. If the conscoius artists had more catchy beats and hooks, people might buy their albums. But then the people who supported them in the beginning would probably stop. The problem is that record labels are still convinced that you absolutely have to be a hard gangsta rapper to make money, despite Kanye West selling like 3 million on both his albums (even though Kanye's rapping skills are pretty average with occasional flashes of lyrical brilliance). Maybe if Lupe does good his first week... but I digress. Fans being close-minded is definitely a big problem. If something gets enough play on the radio, no matter how horrible it is, people will "learn" to like it. People will start to think its cool. These same people are deaf to the underground, and pretty much refuse to listen to anything that doesn't sound like what they're used to hearing. Case in point: There's an infamous show by Dem Franchize Boyz from before "White Tees" hit the radio. They performed "White Tees" to a crowd that really didn't care. Three months later, "White Tees" has become a huge radio hit, and DFB comes back to the same place - this time the crowd can't get enough of them. Not that Dem Franchize Boyz are anything close to being lyrical... This is also where the record labels come into play. Maybe if they a bit more push to something more daring, less cliche, the quality of the music on the radio might improve. But record labels don't really care about music. They're businessmen, trying to make a dollar. A safe dollar at that. So what's the safest way to make that dollar? That's right, copy whatever else is successful at the moment. Last edited by Bomby; 09-20-2006 at 10:02 PM.

09-21-2006, 12:04 AM	#23
mushroom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Brandon, MS Gender: Posts: 5,495 Thanks: 43 Thanked 54 Times in 47 Posts Points: 1,875.94 Bank: 20,992.26 Total Points: 22,868.20 Donate	Dear Mainstream Rap, DROP THE F*CKING 808 AND START MAKING GOOD BEATS AGAIN. Love, mushroom

09-21-2006, 10:28 AM	#24
Bomby All I Ever Wanted Was To Pick Apart the Day & Put the Pieces Back Together My Way Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: The People's Republic of Madison, WI Gender: Posts: 14,694 Thanks: 202 Thanked 445 Times in 313 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Points: 3,819.41 Bank: 1,932,597.03 Total Points: 1,936,416.44 Donate	808 is classic stuff, though. They've been using that since... Run DMC's first album. Listen to "Sucker MC's," classic 808 right there. But, I prefer ?uestlove's drumming to an 808 any day.

09-21-2006, 10:53 AM	#25
mushroom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Brandon, MS Gender: Posts: 5,495 Thanks: 43 Thanked 54 Times in 47 Posts Points: 1,875.94 Bank: 20,992.26 Total Points: 22,868.20 Donate	Honestly, I love the 808 as much as the next guy, but the whole "tickticktickticksnareticktickticktick..." against whatever cheese-ass keyboard preset they're using really has to go.

09-21-2006, 04:30 PM	#27
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09-21-2006, 04:56 PM	#28
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09-21-2006, 05:29 PM	#29
Bomby All I Ever Wanted Was To Pick Apart the Day & Put the Pieces Back Together My Way Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: The People's Republic of Madison, WI Gender: Posts: 14,694 Thanks: 202 Thanked 445 Times in 313 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Points: 3,819.41 Bank: 1,932,597.03 Total Points: 1,936,416.44 Donate	"I Am the Walrus" >> You.

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