So you want to start listening to ____ genre.

Panfan · 10-23-2010, 12:57 AM

But what albums do you start with?

somehow, 4chan seems to be the ones with the answer. /mu/ has produced some pretty awesome lists, and here is a collection

"/mu/'s essentials" archive

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-23-2010, 03:34 AM

The "Happy" list confuses me. Much of it isn't.
And for real, a lot of these categories are crud that some dude in a basement made up. Especially the ones with prefixes like "pre-", "post-", "anti-", et cet. I don't want to know what the music isn't; I want to know what it is.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Jere · 10-23-2010, 04:53 AM

I can make some sence out of the blues to metal stuff, but im a little reserved that all the list i have been able to see haven't included, anyone from the million dollar quartet or groups like The ramones or Motörhead.

Million dollar quartet stands on it own in many ways, and Iron maiden, slayer and Metallica would not exist without Motörhead.

Panfan · 10-23-2010, 10:26 AM

^ Ramones - Ramones is the first album on the 70s punk list, as well as the general essentials list. And besides the "classics" section of the general list, there really hasn't been anywhere to put people from the million dollar quartet or Motorhead (except maybe Thrash Metal, but they're really not Thrash)

^^ Yeah, I pretty much hate tags like that. "OK IT'S 1980 WHAT'S THIS NEW ENERGETIC MUSIC THAT'S ALL THE RAGE THESE DAYS"

WELL THE FIRST WAVE OF PUNK BANDS JUST ENDED... IDEA! POST-PUNK!

And I'm not sure what's necessarily the problem with the happy music list. Much of the list is music that I listen to in a very happy mood, like Matt & Kim, Fang Island, Neon Indian, Passion Pit...

Jere · 10-23-2010, 02:00 PM

Ok i missed that one.

And i have some understanding of the missing topics so it's more of a mention of some stuff missing , with some time i think it get's more "decent"

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-23-2010, 03:30 PM

^^I just have a very hard time putting Andrew W.K. in the same genre as Brian Wilson. The reason I have a hard time is that their music sounds in no way even remotely similar to each other by any stretch of even the most deranged imagination.

(Also, I don't get how an "Essential Happy" list can exclude the Polyphonic Spree, the single happiest band in the history of recorded music.)

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Panfan · 10-23-2010, 04:10 PM

^ It's not supposed to sound similar. It's not some weird genre. It's just a list of albums to listen when you're in a good mood.

The bawwwwwwwwwwwwcore list is the exact opposite.

**Galefore** · 10-23-2010, 05:25 PM

Those genres aren't crud some dude in his basement made up, they're legit genres with stupid names. I mean, I'm not supporting this whole "THROW POST- ON IT AND HIPSTERS WILL LISTEN" thing, but the names actually make sense and they do a decent job putting like-minded bands together for the convenience of the listener. I'm all about transcending genres, but sometimes bands don't, and they fit together thematically. Hence the list.

Panfan · 10-23-2010, 05:33 PM

^ Except Post-Rock. I still don't get why that makes any form of sense.

**Galefore** · 10-23-2010, 06:14 PM

Yeah, neither do I. I guess they just decided "REALLY AIRY SOMETIMES GUITAR-BASED AMBIENT MUSIC WITH A CLIMAX" was too long.

That, and it's also actually "post-modern rock" and somehow the "modern" got knocked out, which makes it complete nonsense.

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-23-2010, 09:49 PM

Yeah, that word actually does wonders for the clarity. "Post-modern rock" is rock based on post-modernism; that means something. "Post-rock" is music that comes after rock; that doesn't mean anything.

Everybody's talking 'bout the "new sound"; funny, but it's still rock & roll to me.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Bomby · 10-24-2010, 11:03 AM

^ Correction, there is no longer such a thing as rock n' roll.

***CaptHayfever*** · 10-24-2010, 12:53 PM

I don't know, man, this Chuck Berry record in my hand still feels like it exists.

And remember, "Hot punk, cool funk, even if it's old junk, it's-a still rock & roll to me."

***Cosmonautical*** · 11-04-2010, 09:33 AM

I think he means it's now retroactively been named Rockabilly, etc.

I don't see the point in arguing over genres, the only thing you can really do is stylistically compare musical techniques and applications. Genre doesn't dictate the style of music, the style of music dictates genre. And genres are all just made up. They don't mean the same thing between separate persons. So is the rest of language. Words are all only context-relevant. It may as well be understood that the context can vary between people.

10-23-2010, 12:57 AM	#1
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,247 Times in 1,337 Posts Blog Entries: 15	So you want to start listening to ____ genre. But what albums do you start with? somehow, 4chan seems to be the ones with the answer. /mu/ has produced some pretty awesome lists, and here is a collection "/mu/'s essentials" archive

10-24-2010, 12:53 PM	#13
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,659 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	I don't know, man, this Chuck Berry record in my hand still feels like it exists. And remember, "Hot punk, cool funk, even if it's old junk, it's-a still rock & roll to me." Last edited by CaptHayfever; 10-24-2010 at 12:55 PM. Reason: [/BillyJoel]

10-23-2010, 03:34 AM	#2
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,659 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	The "Happy" list confuses me. Much of it isn't. And for real, a lot of these categories are crud that some dude in a basement made up. Especially the ones with prefixes like "pre-", "post-", "anti-", et cet. I don't want to know what the music isn't; I want to know what it is. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-23-2010, 04:53 AM	#3
Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	I can make some sence out of the blues to metal stuff, but im a little reserved that all the list i have been able to see haven't included, anyone from the million dollar quartet or groups like The ramones or Motörhead. Million dollar quartet stands on it own in many ways, and Iron maiden, slayer and Metallica would not exist without Motörhead.

10-23-2010, 10:26 AM	#4
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,247 Times in 1,337 Posts Blog Entries: 15	^ Ramones - Ramones is the first album on the 70s punk list, as well as the general essentials list. And besides the "classics" section of the general list, there really hasn't been anywhere to put people from the million dollar quartet or Motorhead (except maybe Thrash Metal, but they're really not Thrash) ^^ Yeah, I pretty much hate tags like that. "OK IT'S 1980 WHAT'S THIS NEW ENERGETIC MUSIC THAT'S ALL THE RAGE THESE DAYS" WELL THE FIRST WAVE OF PUNK BANDS JUST ENDED... IDEA! POST-PUNK! And I'm not sure what's necessarily the problem with the happy music list. Much of the list is music that I listen to in a very happy mood, like Matt & Kim, Fang Island, Neon Indian, Passion Pit...

10-23-2010, 02:00 PM	#5
Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Ok i missed that one. And i have some understanding of the missing topics so it's more of a mention of some stuff missing , with some time i think it get's more "decent"

10-23-2010, 03:30 PM	#6
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,659 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^^I just have a very hard time putting Andrew W.K. in the same genre as Brian Wilson. The reason I have a hard time is that their music sounds in no way even remotely similar to each other by any stretch of even the most deranged imagination. (Also, I don't get how an "Essential Happy" list can exclude the Polyphonic Spree, the single happiest band in the history of recorded music.) And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-23-2010, 04:10 PM	#7
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,247 Times in 1,337 Posts Blog Entries: 15	^ It's not supposed to sound similar. It's not some weird genre. It's just a list of albums to listen when you're in a good mood. The bawwwwwwwwwwwwcore list is the exact opposite.

10-23-2010, 05:25 PM	#8
Galefore EXPLOSION GOD OF MUSIC Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Some studio somewhere Gender: Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 1,361 Thanked 826 Times in 535 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Those genres aren't crud some dude in his basement made up, they're legit genres with stupid names. I mean, I'm not supporting this whole "THROW POST- ON IT AND HIPSTERS WILL LISTEN" thing, but the names actually make sense and they do a decent job putting like-minded bands together for the convenience of the listener. I'm all about transcending genres, but sometimes bands don't, and they fit together thematically. Hence the list.

10-23-2010, 05:33 PM	#9
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,247 Times in 1,337 Posts Blog Entries: 15	^ Except Post-Rock. I still don't get why that makes any form of sense.

10-23-2010, 06:14 PM	#10
Galefore EXPLOSION GOD OF MUSIC Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Some studio somewhere Gender: Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 1,361 Thanked 826 Times in 535 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Yeah, neither do I. I guess they just decided "REALLY AIRY SOMETIMES GUITAR-BASED AMBIENT MUSIC WITH A CLIMAX" was too long. That, and it's also actually "post-modern rock" and somehow the "modern" got knocked out, which makes it complete nonsense.

10-23-2010, 09:49 PM	#11
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,659 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	Yeah, that word actually does wonders for the clarity. "Post-modern rock" is rock based on post-modernism; that means something. "Post-rock" is music that comes after rock; that doesn't mean anything. Everybody's talking 'bout the "new sound"; funny, but it's still rock & roll to me. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

10-24-2010, 11:03 AM	#12
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	^ Correction, there is no longer such a thing as rock n' roll.

11-04-2010, 09:33 AM	#14
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,100 Thanks: 2,151 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	I think he means it's now retroactively been named Rockabilly, etc. I don't see the point in arguing over genres, the only thing you can really do is stylistically compare musical techniques and applications. Genre doesn't dictate the style of music, the style of music dictates genre. And genres are all just made up. They don't mean the same thing between separate persons. So is the rest of language. Words are all only context-relevant. It may as well be understood that the context can vary between people.