Paper Mario - Commence the Flaming! *FIXED*

[Damon King]

No. Geez. Which Bowser are you thinking of? The Bowser we all know wouldn't get it unless someone like Kammy spelled it out. And she was incapacitated at the moment.

That's the new Bowser.

Bowser has usually been an evil genius.

I don't know what Mario you ahve been following, but all I know is back in the late 80s, Bowser wasn't a complete imbassile.

[Chunky Kong12345]

Then why the hell did he leave that axe at the end of the bridge?

[Codiekitty]

Same reason Dracula left that stairway to his lair for Trevor Belmont to climb. Hindsight.


Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[thunt]

Originally posted by ElfLad:
^I was mostly referring to the final Cackletta's ghost battle. There was this one hugely cheap move where she attacks each Bro 6 or more times in one turn. If she powered up her attack beforehand, it could bring you from full health to dead in one turn. And that was just the head.

God, I ****ing HATED that attack.

[Codiekitty]

I refought Cackletta last night, and I haven't a clue in the world what attack you guys are talking about.

The eye laser one where you're supposed to be in the air if she looks down, or on the ground if she looks up?

The sphere one where she randomly flashes an assortment of purple, red, and green spheres, then when it teleports away, a red one attacks Mario and a green one will attack Luigi, and if you manage to miss it with your hammer it does 2 HP damage?

(Granted, I could be a bit overleveled, but my Bros. only have about 110 HP each, which kind of freaks me out when there's a mushroom to restore 120 HP, then another one to restore "all" HP. Though I am the type who'd rather boost Defense than HP.)


Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[Lemmingboss]

You think your overleveled? Listen to this.
(no cheats, and im not exaggerating.)
Mario-
lev.59
hp 172
bp 73
pow 232
def 235
speed 167
stache 183

Luigi-
lev. 59
hp 232
bp 101
pow 222
def 247
speed 171
stach 239

Without action commands for the basic jump, Mario hits 276 and Luigi hits 272.
With action commands it is double.
And just think about what a bros. attack will do...

And you think youre overleveled...

Back to the topic, Ive played PM-TYD for several hours. And it is tedious. It takes to long to get back to a save spot if i need to get off, the battle design is just dumb, and the audience throws stuff at me like rare badges. I mean, COME ON!
And I must say that I hate the music. All of it. And the sounds are dorky.
Dont get me started on the graphics.
All in all, PM-TYD is a waste of my time.

I played it at my friends house, so it didnt waste my money, fortunately...

I am not flaming anyone for their opinion, I am just stating my own.
And before you flame me for confusing PM and TYD, I am referring to TYD in every aspect.

[ May 23, 2005, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Lemmingboss ]

[Chunky Kong12345]

Your opinions suck, man. Hating it because there are too little save point my ass. There were plentiful save points. Here's a tip: try not dying.

[thunt]

The one where she spins her arms, knocking into your Bros. with highs and lows. Hey, that rhy-:slaughteredafy:
If she did charge up, it was as annoying as hell, especially on my first try.

[Codiekitty]

Oh. ElfLad confused me when he said the head attacked.


Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[Glyph Phoenix]

Originally posted by Damon is Gonna be 19:
Bowser has usually been an evil genius.

I don't know what Mario you ahve been following, but all I know is back in the late 80s, Bowser wasn't a complete imbassile.

Bowser has always been a complete imbecile. The only reason his stupidity really shines now rather than in the past is because he actually speaks.

[OcarinaMan]

Originally posted by CodieKitty:
Oh. ElfLad confused me when he said the head attacked.

Yeah, that was a confusing way to put it. What I meant was that it was counted as a "head" attack, so the seperate arms could do another attack on the same turn. ****ing cheap.

[NeonTheEchidna]

(Is back from having a shotgunned compy) Getting back on the subject of the original PM for a second, I would like to comment on CK’s review of Paper Mario.

Originally posted by CodieKitty:
This is one of the ugliest N64 games I’ve seen. The N64 should be able to take sprites better than this. But instead, we’ve got characters who look like they were drawn with a child’s blackened markers on thin art paper, then torn out of the paper instead of cut. I hardly noticed any of the sceneries, except for the clouds in Flower Fields which looked like a painting (though I guess I was trying to something to bearable because the music was making me want to ram a car key into my ears). When I originally played it a few years ago, this game’s graphics gave me a splitting headache. They no longer hurt my head, just my stomach.

No kidding. I had went back and played it myself a few months back. And most of the sprites are rather oddly sized and distored. Some talking animations end up having this weird bouncing animation because of this, and it doesn’t do much for the graphics.

As for the backgrounds, they could’ve done a lot better. They basically stole the hand-drawn style from SMW2: Yoshi’s Island, and screwed it up horribly. Like slightly shading and putting the Colored Pencil filter from Photoshop overtop a low-poly image, like something you’d see from Star Fox. The overall effect was just bland and uninteresting.

Originally posted by CodieKitty:
The only N64 game I’ve played with a worse soundtrack than this is Yoshi’s Story. All of the decent songs in this are remixes of some earlier Mario song. All the new stuff ranges from blah to needing work to downright irritating. Who the hell composed the Flower Fields song? And that racket that plays while the train is moving in Shy Guy’s Toybox? Or the friggin’ final boss piece of crap?

To be honestly, the whole thing was rather bland, so I can’t remember much of it. All I know is, they screwed up the only piece that’s SUPPOSED to sound like its original version: the classic SMB theme when you do the 8-Bit Mario trick.

Originally posted by CodieKitty:
The battle system is too slow. Sure, not as slow as Magi Nation (on my New Game+, I spent three hours in the Shadow Hold fighting everything, then had to reset because I used a key in the wrong place. When I restarted, I ran from everything and wasn’t in there for more than twenty minutes), but still slow (granted, some time in the middle of playing this I had emulated Sweet Home on my Dreamcast, and its lightning fast battle system may have spoiled me a little). The only person who doesn’t feel the need to put on a little show and dance before attacking is Mario. Those Crazee Dazees (or whatever they’re called) in the Flower Field are by far the worst offenders, as they feel like they take twenty seconds to attack.

To me, the whole thing seemed slow. Even Mario. During the first battle with Bowser at the start, Mario seems to FLOAT more than jump whenever you use his jump attack, and the extra bounce with the action command is no different.

Speaking of; the action commands are rather dull and boring.

Originally posted by CodieKitty:
...and how Axl’s was total **** because it took some skill to use.

I would’ve ENJOYED having to use some skill to do most of these, as it would’ve made the battles less monotonous. In fact, the buzzard in front of Dry Dry Desert was more interesting, as he had a different action command to defend against an attack where he grabs you, even though it was just mashing the A button repeatedly.

And the “puzzles”...or should I say, “lack thereof”. Wow. “Deliver this to this guy”. “Get the wizard so he’ll point out the fake toads are fake toads”. “Find the stupid temple in the desert”. ...Yeah. Looking back, I now feel that I wasted my money on Paper Mario. At least PM:TTYD had (somewhat) strong puzzles (Hey, at least it gave use to those pointless Attack FX badges), faster battles, and a bit more meat in its storyline. Paper Mario felt too much like doing the same old thing all over again for no real reason whatsoever.

[Everybody Nose]

Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Damon is Gonna be 19:
Bowser has usually been an evil genius.

I don't know what Mario you ahve been following, but all I know is back in the late 80s, Bowser wasn't a complete imbassile.

Bowser has always been a complete imbecile. The only reason his stupidity really shines now rather than in the past is because he actually speaks. </font>[/quote]So he was silent in the old cartoons?
And I don't ever recall him having an idiotic plan, he just used the same plan.

Bowser is not an idiot, he's just a little bit, slow.

[Glyph Phoenix]

Argh. Did you even watch the old cartoons? Bowser did such stupid things, even then. He drove a motorcycle off a cliff once. He stole an unstoppable robotic suit that would have never been defeated had he not accidentally blown himself out of it by pressing the big red button. He keeps changing his name based on what crazy 80s parody the show happens to turn into next. The only reason his plans worked at all is because while Bowser was an idiot, the Bros. weren't exactly geniuses themselves.

[Lemmingboss]

Originally posted by Chunky Kong12345:
Your opinions suck, man. Hating it because there are too little save point my ass. There were plentiful save points. Here's a tip: try not dying.

I try to be nice and not provoke anyone. Why can't you? Flaming other people for well justified opinions only loses respect for your own.
Showing a little respect never hurt anyone, did it?
Too little save points is not the reason I hate it, and no, I haven't died yet. What I meant was that if I am told that I have to go in five minutes, and I am in a castle, with quite a few enemies, I cant get to a save point in time because the battle system is too slow. Which means I lose progress. Which was one of the several irritants that made me stop playing it. Even if there are quite a few save points, that doesn't help if I cant get back to them in time.

[Everybody Nose]

Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix:
Argh. Did you even watch the old cartoons? Bowser did such stupid things, even then. He drove a motorcycle off a cliff once. He stole an unstoppable robotic suit that would have never been defeated had he not accidentally blown himself out of it by pressing the big red button. He keeps changing his name based on what crazy 80s parody the show happens to turn into next. The only reason his plans worked at all is because while Bowser was an idiot, the Bros. weren't exactly geniuses themselves.

Again

Bowser is not an idiot, he's just a little bit, slow.

[Chunky Kong12345]

Originally posted by Lemmingboss:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Chunky Kong12345:
Your opinions suck, man. Hating it because there are too little save point my ass. There were plentiful save points. Here's a tip: try not dying.

I try to be nice and not provoke anyone. Why can't you? Flaming other people for well justified opinions only loses respect for your own.
Showing a little respect never hurt anyone, did it?
Too little save points is not the reason I hate it, and no, I haven't died yet. What I meant was that if I am told that I have to go in five minutes, and I am in a castle, with quite a few enemies, I cant get to a save point in time because the battle system is too slow. Which means I lose progress. Which was one of the several irritants that made me stop playing it. Even if there are quite a few save points, that doesn't help if I cant get back to them in time. </font>[/quote]Here's another tip: Try not playing when you know you have to go soon. You know, it's possible to run from battles.

[Lemmingboss]

Originally posted by Chunky Kong12345:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lemmingboss:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Chunky Kong12345:
Your opinions suck, man. Hating it because there are too little save point my ass. There were plentiful save points. Here's a tip: try not dying.

I try to be nice and not provoke anyone. Why can't you? Flaming other people for well justified opinions only loses respect for your own.
Showing a little respect never hurt anyone, did it?
Too little save points is not the reason I hate it, and no, I haven't died yet. What I meant was that if I am told that I have to go in five minutes, and I am in a castle, with quite a few enemies, I cant get to a save point in time because the battle system is too slow. Which means I lose progress. Which was one of the several irritants that made me stop playing it. Even if there are quite a few save points, that doesn't help if I cant get back to them in time. </font>[/quote]Here's another tip: Try not playing when you know you have to go soon. You know, it's possible to run from battles. </font>[/quote] What if I dont know that I have to go until 5 minutes until? And yes, I know that I can run from battles, but there's still not enough time. And it might be just me, but it feels like you're being condescending, with tips of things that are so obvious that my little brother would know them. I would appreciate some respect, thank you very much.

[Codiekitty]

I hardly ever ran in Paper Mario. Sure, I admit to being the violent type who fights everything, but on top of that Paper Mario's running sequence was annoying. You had to hammer the A button (if you haven't figured it out by now, I really hate button mashing minigames), and no matter how well you did you'd lose several coins (okay, later in the game this becomes somewhat moot, since the final dungeon doesn't have much of a shop and it's less than halfway through the dungeon. It's just that I feel just having to mash the A button should be your penalty for running from a battle) and the enemy had a chance of just running back into you and starting the whole thing over again.


Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[Glyph Phoenix]

Bowser is, and always has been, an idiot. That's part of his gritty bad guy charm. He's a giant turtle obsessed with kidnapping the princess. He's got a one track mind, and the only track that he does have tends to derail most of the time. He is... an idiot.

And Lemmingboss, that's pathetic. There was a save point in each town and probably two in each dungeon. If you couldn't make it to the end of a dungeon you could make it to the middle or back to the beginning. Your opinions weren't well justified. If you avoided the monsters you should have had plenty of time to get to a save point.

Codiekitty, you're invincible to monster attacks for enough time to get away as long as you don't do something stupid like try to pick up the coins you lose when you run.

And if you think the action commands do too little, equip an All or Nothing badge. That raises the stakes quite a bit.

And I still don't get where you guys get off with the graphics. The graphics don't even resemble Yoshi's island except in the case of a few backgrounds. The character style is radically different. And the paper thing worked out fine.