NCEC Now Released

**Sean P Kelly** · 07-19-2005, 01:49 PM

After many delays, NCEC was finally released today at SMBhq Productions.

I played it this morning, it is really well-done (though it does take a while to load)

http://www.smbhq.com/users/productions/ncec.htm

Glyph Phoenix · 07-19-2005, 10:03 PM

You've got to be kidding me.

This game is anything but well done. I have had malicious software on my computer that was more fun than this. I mean it. I'd go into safe mode, scout around, and try and stop my computer from screwing up and it wasn't all that bad. But that is neither here nor there.

The point is that this game really sucks. They didn't even change the sand backgrounds from the ones you find in Game Maker. I have made far better games in a day on my own, and they were a team working for months.

And the stupid thing was 16 MB.

I mean... did you play any of the levels? Picking up, like 5 red stamped letters? Opening doors with no apparent way to tell which will kill you and which won't?

In case anybody's wondering about my name on the staff page, this is one of those things that I said I'd help with but never actually get to doing it. Like the Mario Busters Movie.

**Sean P Kelly** · 07-20-2005, 03:04 PM

^ What were you expecting? Nintendo quality?

Mikhail Gorbachev · 07-20-2005, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix:
You've got to be kidding me.

This game is anything but well done.

Quote:

Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix:

In case anybody's wondering about my name on the staff page, this is one of those things that I said I'd help with but never actually get to doing it. Like the Mario Busters Movie.

Well, Glyph, if you helped, it probably would have been better.

Mikhail Gorbachev · 07-20-2005, 04:15 PM

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Mikhail Gorbachev · 07-20-2005, 04:16 PM

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**Sean P Kelly** · 07-20-2005, 04:22 PM

hmm...I never saw a triple post before

Glyph Phoenix · 07-20-2005, 04:57 PM

Then which forum do you go to? Because at VGF they aren't terribly uncommon.

And yes, it might have been better had I helped. But that sounds kinda like bragging and since I didn't help there'd be no way of telling that.

But really, though, Nintendo quality? No. I was expecting something even a little fun. That's what any game should primarily be, right? Well, it failed completely. Like I said, I have actually had more fun with malicious computer-damaging software I tried to remove from my computer. And that is not an exaggeration.

Metal Man · 07-20-2005, 06:02 PM

First thing, they took way too long to make this. Something this quality should have been around 3 months tops.

Second, I suspect part of the problem is that their game maker sucks. I recommended a thing called The Games Factory, from which I alone probably could create a better game than that.

But the main thing is simple.

You've got mis-matched sounds, the use of some which violate copyright law. As a result, there is a chance SMBHQ could be sued for merely hosting it.

The use of the Paper Mario II's music straight from the game, of course.

The other midis are... well, one or two, and generally suck.

The levels consist of mindless games with two variations: Avoid certain objects, grab certain objects. Occasionally both.

Mario gets strangely hung up at times when I'm trying to make him stop going up and turn left. He should be able to go diagonally.

The game also had a weird mismatch of hand-drawn and game sprites. It's all or nothing, not 50%!

The stamp thing, in the demo, was way too hard. There was no explanation of how it worked there.

Now it has become easy, save for the fact the stamps are so small it strains my eyes to pick them out.

Overall, I give this a D.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-20-2005, 06:23 PM

Dude. Game Maker is freaking awesome. In my experience it has been far easier to use when compared to Games Factory. It would not have been hard to make a vastly better game than this in Game Maker.

Metal Man · 07-20-2005, 08:10 PM

Well, that merely proves one of my points while crossing out another.

The rest of my comment stands.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-21-2005, 01:27 AM

Argh. No. Just because somebody agrees with something or brings up a new piece of information does not mean anything is proven.

Metal Man · 07-21-2005, 05:36 PM

Jeez laweez, I was just stating my opinion, turn off your flamethrower and bother someone else. After all, I didn't make this game.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-21-2005, 05:43 PM

Gah. Could your last two posts be any more inappropriate? I agreed with most of what you said except for the game maker part and then you go off on 'proofs', and then on flaming.

I wasn't even flaming you. You'll know when I'm flaming. Check out the comics forum.

Metal Man · 07-21-2005, 09:23 PM

Look, buddy, I've been here for five years. I'm a SMBHQ staff member and a whole lot of other stuff. Unfortunately, it looks like this topic will be locked.

So let's just forget about this and move on. Clearly nobody who actually cares about the game is posting in here anyway.

Stop misunderstanding me and stop posting in this topic too. You don't understand what I'm saying so there's no point in furthering this discussion.

Edit: You've got to chuckle at how similarly we talk. I mean, it's like arguing with a mirror.

[ July 21, 2005, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Metal Man ]

**Sean P Kelly** · 07-21-2005, 09:57 PM

ludwigvan · 07-21-2005, 11:00 PM

I just saw the screenshots. That is intolerably bad, graphically. I haven't downloaded it. Just... that seriously offends me.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-22-2005, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Metal Man:
Stop misunderstanding me and stop posting in this topic too. You don't understand what I'm saying so there's no point in furthering this discussion.

Edit: You've got to chuckle at how similarly we talk. I mean, it's like arguing with a mirror.

...does anybody understand what the hell this guy is talking about here? You started misusing the word proof and went on to talk about flamethrowers and then started on this gibberish about locking a topic (which you have next-to-no say in since you're not a mod) and an unrelated note about working with SMBHQ. And don't tell me where to post.

And no, we don't really talk the same way. If I had to associate my posts with anybody else's it'd probably be LvK because your posts just aren't hateful enough.

marioisacoolguy · 07-22-2005, 08:15 AM

That game was cool!! How can anyone think this game sucks????

Codiekitty · 07-22-2005, 10:31 AM

I love how awful Mario controls.

Could the Dr. Donez game be any more generic? And what's the difference between the red and green stamps, aside from the green ones making Mario stop dead in his tracks then refuse to start moving again?

The Doors of Doom one is bullcrap. As somebody else already mentioned, there's no way to tell which is the right door. And when you lose, you have to muck through the Dr. Donez thing again.

Only an idiot could lose to the bridge of death game. Since you only have to move right and stop once in a while, Mario's crappy turning ability doesn't add anything to it.

The only thing that made the Mountain Climber game at all difficult was Mario's unresponsive controls. I still beat it on my first try.

The Taco game was even lamer than the Donez game. Wow, it's so obvious which ones Fred wants; the ones that aren't moldy!

Just like the Mountain Climber one, Dr. Donez one at the end is only the least bit difficult because of how sloppy Mario's controls are. It was still easy.

What is up with that taco one at the very end? You control a floating Shy Guy and just snake around the arena and get all the tacos.

The only game I didn't beat on my first try was the Door one. And that's because that one's so halfassly designed.

I guess it's still better than Action 52.

EDIT: When describing the envelope game, I had mixed up "Green" and "Purple".

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[ July 22, 2005, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: CodieKitty ]

07-19-2005, 01:49 PM	#1
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,270 Thanks: 9 Thanked 43 Times in 33 Posts Points: 181,197.98 Bank: 70,395.38 Total Points: 251,593.35 Donate	After many delays, NCEC was finally released today at SMBhq Productions. I played it this morning, it is really well-done (though it does take a while to load) http://www.smbhq.com/users/productions/ncec.htm

07-19-2005, 10:03 PM	#2
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,676.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,176.00 Donate	You've got to be kidding me. This game is anything but well done. I have had malicious software on my computer that was more fun than this. I mean it. I'd go into safe mode, scout around, and try and stop my computer from screwing up and it wasn't all that bad. But that is neither here nor there. The point is that this game really sucks. They didn't even change the sand backgrounds from the ones you find in Game Maker. I have made far better games in a day on my own, and they were a team working for months. And the stupid thing was 16 MB. I mean... did you play any of the levels? Picking up, like 5 red stamped letters? Opening doors with no apparent way to tell which will kill you and which won't? In case anybody's wondering about my name on the staff page, this is one of those things that I said I'd help with but never actually get to doing it. Like the Mario Busters Movie.

07-20-2005, 03:04 PM	#3
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,270 Thanks: 9 Thanked 43 Times in 33 Posts Points: 181,197.98 Bank: 70,395.38 Total Points: 251,593.35 Donate	^ What were you expecting? Nintendo quality?

07-20-2005, 04:15 PM	#5
Mikhail Gorbachev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Gender: Posts: 9,564 Thanks: 28 Thanked 65 Times in 50 Posts Points: 207.45 Bank: 27,473.50 Total Points: 27,680.95 Donate	[Delete double post] [ July 20, 2005, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: XML42SUCROSE ]

07-20-2005, 04:16 PM	#6
Mikhail Gorbachev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Gender: Posts: 9,564 Thanks: 28 Thanked 65 Times in 50 Posts Points: 207.45 Bank: 27,473.50 Total Points: 27,680.95 Donate	[Delete double post] [ July 20, 2005, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: XML42SUCROSE ]

07-20-2005, 04:22 PM	#7
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,270 Thanks: 9 Thanked 43 Times in 33 Posts Points: 181,197.98 Bank: 70,395.38 Total Points: 251,593.35 Donate	hmm...I never saw a triple post before

07-20-2005, 04:57 PM	#8
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,676.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,176.00 Donate	Then which forum do you go to? Because at VGF they aren't terribly uncommon. And yes, it might have been better had I helped. But that sounds kinda like bragging and since I didn't help there'd be no way of telling that. But really, though, Nintendo quality? No. I was expecting something even a little fun. That's what any game should primarily be, right? Well, it failed completely. Like I said, I have actually had more fun with malicious computer-damaging software I tried to remove from my computer. And that is not an exaggeration.

07-20-2005, 06:02 PM	#9
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,737 Thanks: 74 Thanked 197 Times in 135 Posts Points: 9,445.78 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 9,445.78 Donate	First thing, they took way too long to make this. Something this quality should have been around 3 months tops. Second, I suspect part of the problem is that their game maker sucks. I recommended a thing called The Games Factory, from which I alone probably could create a better game than that. But the main thing is simple. You've got mis-matched sounds, the use of some which violate copyright law. As a result, there is a chance SMBHQ could be sued for merely hosting it. The use of the Paper Mario II's music straight from the game, of course. The other midis are... well, one or two, and generally suck. The levels consist of mindless games with two variations: Avoid certain objects, grab certain objects. Occasionally both. Mario gets strangely hung up at times when I'm trying to make him stop going up and turn left. He should be able to go diagonally. The game also had a weird mismatch of hand-drawn and game sprites. It's all or nothing, not 50%! The stamp thing, in the demo, was way too hard. There was no explanation of how it worked there. Now it has become easy, save for the fact the stamps are so small it strains my eyes to pick them out. Overall, I give this a D.

07-20-2005, 06:23 PM	#10
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,676.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,176.00 Donate	Dude. Game Maker is freaking awesome. In my experience it has been far easier to use when compared to Games Factory. It would not have been hard to make a vastly better game than this in Game Maker.

07-20-2005, 08:10 PM	#11
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,737 Thanks: 74 Thanked 197 Times in 135 Posts Points: 9,445.78 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 9,445.78 Donate	Well, that merely proves one of my points while crossing out another. The rest of my comment stands.

07-21-2005, 01:27 AM	#12
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,676.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,176.00 Donate	Argh. No. Just because somebody agrees with something or brings up a new piece of information does not mean anything is proven.

07-21-2005, 05:36 PM	#13
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,737 Thanks: 74 Thanked 197 Times in 135 Posts Points: 9,445.78 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 9,445.78 Donate	Jeez laweez, I was just stating my opinion, turn off your flamethrower and bother someone else. After all, I didn't make this game.

07-21-2005, 05:43 PM	#14
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,676.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,176.00 Donate	Gah. Could your last two posts be any more inappropriate? I agreed with most of what you said except for the game maker part and then you go off on 'proofs', and then on flaming. I wasn't even flaming you. You'll know when I'm flaming. Check out the comics forum.

07-21-2005, 09:23 PM	#15
Metal Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Gender: Posts: 6,737 Thanks: 74 Thanked 197 Times in 135 Posts Points: 9,445.78 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 9,445.78 Donate	Look, buddy, I've been here for five years. I'm a SMBHQ staff member and a whole lot of other stuff. Unfortunately, it looks like this topic will be locked. So let's just forget about this and move on. Clearly nobody who actually cares about the game is posting in here anyway. Stop misunderstanding me and stop posting in this topic too. You don't understand what I'm saying so there's no point in furthering this discussion. Edit: You've got to chuckle at how similarly we talk. I mean, it's like arguing with a mirror. [ July 21, 2005, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Metal Man ]

07-21-2005, 09:57 PM	#16
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,270 Thanks: 9 Thanked 43 Times in 33 Posts Points: 181,197.98 Bank: 70,395.38 Total Points: 251,593.35 Donate

07-21-2005, 11:00 PM	#17
ludwigvan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The well of wishes. Gender: Posts: 5,444 Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts Points: 10,839.44 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,339.44 Donate	I just saw the screenshots. That is intolerably bad, graphically. I haven't downloaded it. Just... that seriously offends me.

07-22-2005, 08:15 AM	#19
marioisacoolguy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 120 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,555.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,055.00 Donate	That game was cool!! How can anyone think this game sucks????

07-22-2005, 10:31 AM	#20
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 174 Times in 120 Posts Points: 44,935.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,066,386.46 Donate	I love how awful Mario controls. Could the Dr. Donez game be any more generic? And what's the difference between the red and green stamps, aside from the green ones making Mario stop dead in his tracks then refuse to start moving again? The Doors of Doom one is bullcrap. As somebody else already mentioned, there's no way to tell which is the right door. And when you lose, you have to muck through the Dr. Donez thing again. Only an idiot could lose to the bridge of death game. Since you only have to move right and stop once in a while, Mario's crappy turning ability doesn't add anything to it. The only thing that made the Mountain Climber game at all difficult was Mario's unresponsive controls. I still beat it on my first try. The Taco game was even lamer than the Donez game. Wow, it's so obvious which ones Fred wants; the ones that aren't moldy! Just like the Mountain Climber one, Dr. Donez one at the end is only the least bit difficult because of how sloppy Mario's controls are. It was still easy. What is up with that taco one at the very end? You control a floating Shy Guy and just snake around the arena and get all the tacos. The only game I didn't beat on my first try was the Door one. And that's because that one's so halfassly designed. I guess it's still better than Action 52. EDIT: When describing the envelope game, I had mixed up "Green" and "Purple". Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there! [ July 22, 2005, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: CodieKitty ]