Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door Unanswered Questions??? - VGF

JaredThaJAsWelch · 11-16-2005, 06:06 AM

I feel the game left allot of Questions Unanswered that might be fun to speculate on.

Who Gave Peach the map in the Beginning? He appears to be and Old Man and in the First Grodus Cut scene they show is troops talking about an Old Man getting the Map from them.

What was up with Luigi in the last few Bowser Scenes?

Why are Enemies that where Exclusive to Bowser's Castle in the First Paper Mario(Koopatrals, Hammer Bros. Magikoopas ect.) just roaming around the Rougeport Sewers Aimlessly?

Why didn't Kolorado have an Appearance? I find it Very unlike him to not come after this Mysterious Treasure.

Superyoshi · 11-16-2005, 03:51 PM

Plot holes. They happen.

Smithy GCN · 11-16-2005, 06:46 PM

Well. I might have some idea as to why these things happen:
1) I have no idea as to how Grodus had the map in the first place or as to how one old man could have easily taken it from him, but the old man's identity might be... nah.
2) Bowser's troops were stationed in the sewers probably due to Bowser's orders as to look for the Crystal Stars there (after all, the Thousand Year Door is down there), but they were probably wandering around aimlessly because they were unsupervised and bored. I mean, who wouldn't goof off at their job now and again?
3) As for Kolorado. Nintendo has a BAD habit of killing off random characters - characters that could have made a name for themselves - for no apparent reason. Such examples include: Darunia, Saria, Ruto, Nabooru, Bill Gray, Katt Monroe, Raz, and Raini. Why they do this... I don't know. Maybe they think its funny. But whatever it is, it's making people mad. You remember Bill Gray from Star Fox 64, right? His appearance was only in the game and not even in the manga based on it! Katt Monroe was thrown aside with the excuse that she fell for someone else. That's irresponsible character management...

JaredThaJAsWelch · 11-17-2005, 02:09 AM

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2) Bowser's troops were stationed in the sewers probably due to Bowser's orders as to look for the Crystal Stars there (after all, the Thousand Year Door is down there), but they were probably wandering around aimlessly because they were unsupervised and bored. I mean, who wouldn't goof off at their job now and again?

Yeah i'v considered that as wel but I wish it had been made more Clear in the Plot. One of things I loved in SMRPG was the scenes of Bowser actualy giveing speaches infront of his Troops, I think it would'v been cool to have included something like that in one of the Bowser Cut scenes here.

And Yeah I agree Nintendo does waste alot of Charecters frankly I'v even felt that Kolorado could'v had a spin off Game.

Chunky Kong12345 · 11-17-2005, 07:31 PM

I think it was the smallest witch that gave Peach the map. She even admitted it somewhere, I think.

Smithy GCN · 11-17-2005, 08:00 PM

Hey! Yeah! I believe you're right about that, Chunky! And Beldam's working for the Shadow Queen completely explains her motivation behind it! Good work! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Superyoshi · 11-17-2005, 09:20 PM

Crap, my attempt to laugh at Nintendo's bad plotline fails, I see.

Glyph Phoenix · 11-18-2005, 09:56 AM

SuperYoshi, you are a cool guy and all. But that was no joke.

If you hadn't pointed out later that that was supposed to be a joke, I wouldn't have guessed. It wasn't funny like a joke. It wasn't clever like a joke. It was just a bad observation.

Just sayin'.

Smithy GCN · 11-18-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by SuperYoshi [insert witty joke here]:
Crap, my attempt to laugh at Nintendo's bad plotline fails, I see.

Eh... If it were a bad plotline, then we wouldn't have been able to resolve all the "errors" of the story in three or four posts.

JaredThaJAsWelch · 11-20-2005, 07:37 AM

The Question about Luigi was never solved.

Or Kolorado.

Smithy GCN · 11-20-2005, 02:23 PM

Alright, I don't remember the last few Luigi scenes because it's been awhile since I've played the game. As for Kolorado, I've already explained it in my previous posts. Nintendo has a bad habit of killing off good characters. (What's worse: Nintendo kills off the character, never uses them again, and still holds the copyright of that character).

Spritedude · 11-23-2005, 09:09 PM

Has anyone watched the story at the title screen? There's a man with robes and a hood that covers his face selling stuff at rogueport. He shows Peach a box, and shows that he cannot open it. He tells Peach if she can open it, she can keep what's inside it. So she opens it, it shines a lot, then it shows the title screen with the "press start".

jumpman2004 · 11-24-2005, 07:46 PM

The thing you said that bowser sent the koopatrols magikoopas and hammer bros. to the sewers contradicts the fact that bowser didn't know about the thousand year door until the last bowser stage

Smithy GCN · 11-25-2005, 03:53 AM

Ah, well. As I said: I haven't played the game in a while, so I don't remember everything. Anyway, regardless whether Bowser had known of it or not, he would have still sent his troops to various places in search of the stars. Also, the cloaked figure could have been lying about the only one with pure heart can open it bit. After all, you never actually saw anyone else try to open it. Or, the person could have already known what was inside it and was counting on Peach to open it which makes more sense.

11-16-2005, 06:06 AM	#1
JaredThaJAsWelch Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Posts: 356 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 13,279.14 Bank: 609.50 Total Points: 13,888.64 Donate	I feel the game left allot of Questions Unanswered that might be fun to speculate on. Who Gave Peach the map in the Beginning? He appears to be and Old Man and in the First Grodus Cut scene they show is troops talking about an Old Man getting the Map from them. What was up with Luigi in the last few Bowser Scenes? Why are Enemies that where Exclusive to Bowser's Castle in the First Paper Mario(Koopatrals, Hammer Bros. Magikoopas ect.) just roaming around the Rougeport Sewers Aimlessly? Why didn't Kolorado have an Appearance? I find it Very unlike him to not come after this Mysterious Treasure.

11-16-2005, 03:51 PM	#2
Superyoshi Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,626.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,126.00 Donate	Plot holes. They happen.

11-16-2005, 06:46 PM	#3
Smithy GCN Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ymir Forest Posts: 302 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,782.93 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,282.93 Donate	Well. I might have some idea as to why these things happen: 1) I have no idea as to how Grodus had the map in the first place or as to how one old man could have easily taken it from him, but the old man's identity might be... nah. 2) Bowser's troops were stationed in the sewers probably due to Bowser's orders as to look for the Crystal Stars there (after all, the Thousand Year Door is down there), but they were probably wandering around aimlessly because they were unsupervised and bored. I mean, who wouldn't goof off at their job now and again? 3) As for Kolorado. Nintendo has a BAD habit of killing off random characters - characters that could have made a name for themselves - for no apparent reason. Such examples include: Darunia, Saria, Ruto, Nabooru, Bill Gray, Katt Monroe, Raz, and Raini. Why they do this... I don't know. Maybe they think its funny. But whatever it is, it's making people mad. You remember Bill Gray from Star Fox 64, right? His appearance was only in the game and not even in the manga based on it! Katt Monroe was thrown aside with the excuse that she fell for someone else. That's irresponsible character management...

11-17-2005, 07:31 PM	#5
Chunky Kong12345 BEEP BEEP I'M A JEEP Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ogmftwbqq Gender: Posts: 16,412 Thanks: 61 Thanked 210 Times in 153 Posts Points: 2,331.12 Bank: 80,535.77 Total Points: 82,866.89 Donate	I think it was the smallest witch that gave Peach the map. She even admitted it somewhere, I think.

11-17-2005, 08:00 PM	#6
Smithy GCN Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ymir Forest Posts: 302 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,782.93 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,282.93 Donate	Hey! Yeah! I believe you're right about that, Chunky! And Beldam's working for the Shadow Queen completely explains her motivation behind it! Good work! [img]smile.gif[/img]

11-17-2005, 09:20 PM	#7
Superyoshi Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,626.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,126.00 Donate	Crap, my attempt to laugh at Nintendo's bad plotline fails, I see.

11-18-2005, 09:56 AM	#8
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,556.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,056.00 Donate	SuperYoshi, you are a cool guy and all. But that was no joke. If you hadn't pointed out later that that was supposed to be a joke, I wouldn't have guessed. It wasn't funny like a joke. It wasn't clever like a joke. It was just a bad observation. Just sayin'.

11-20-2005, 07:37 AM	#10
JaredThaJAsWelch Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Posts: 356 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 13,279.14 Bank: 609.50 Total Points: 13,888.64 Donate	The Question about Luigi was never solved. Or Kolorado.

11-20-2005, 02:23 PM	#11
Smithy GCN Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ymir Forest Posts: 302 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,782.93 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,282.93 Donate	Alright, I don't remember the last few Luigi scenes because it's been awhile since I've played the game. As for Kolorado, I've already explained it in my previous posts. Nintendo has a bad habit of killing off good characters. (What's worse: Nintendo kills off the character, never uses them again, and still holds the copyright of that character).

11-23-2005, 09:09 PM	#12
Spritedude Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: City by the Bay Gender: Posts: 928 Thanks: 14 Thanked 25 Times in 21 Posts Points: 11,970.64 Bank: 85,361.07 Total Points: 97,331.71 Donate	Has anyone watched the story at the title screen? There's a man with robes and a hood that covers his face selling stuff at rogueport. He shows Peach a box, and shows that he cannot open it. He tells Peach if she can open it, she can keep what's inside it. So she opens it, it shines a lot, then it shows the title screen with the "press start".

11-24-2005, 07:46 PM	#13
jumpman2004 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 712.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,212.00 Donate	The thing you said that bowser sent the koopatrols magikoopas and hammer bros. to the sewers contradicts the fact that bowser didn't know about the thousand year door until the last bowser stage

11-25-2005, 03:53 AM	#14
Smithy GCN Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ymir Forest Posts: 302 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,782.93 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,282.93 Donate	Ah, well. As I said: I haven't played the game in a while, so I don't remember everything. Anyway, regardless whether Bowser had known of it or not, he would have still sent his troops to various places in search of the stars. Also, the cloaked figure could have been lying about the only one with pure heart can open it bit. After all, you never actually saw anyone else try to open it. Or, the person could have already known what was inside it and was counting on Peach to open it which makes more sense.