Prepare to say goodbye to NC's Wikipedia entry - Page 2 - VGF

**L007 is Undecided** · 02-25-2006, 01:06 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm not with the lingo these days.

Do kids say shut the **** up? Or is it still STFU? Because I think that's what I have to say against you.

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 01:27 PM

heaven forbid someone have a different opinion. apparently, Luigi007 is also sobbing over the fact that NC is being deleted by Wikipedia. He comes into this topic, and starts flaming immediately.

Kid, grow up. Your schtick wasn't funny nor clever then, and it sure as hell isn't now.

**L007 is Undecided** · 02-25-2006, 01:31 PM

Says ol' 314 who's been banned for over a year.

Benito Mussolini · 02-25-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Luigi007

I'm sorry, but I'm not with the lingo these days.

Do kids say shut the **** up? Or is it still STFU? Because I think that's what I have to say against you.

This is exactly why the Wikipedia people are not listening to anything the supporters of the NC article are saying.

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 01:34 PM

yet of the two of us in this topic, you've done more to warrant being banned than I have.

This is called irony.

Benito Mussolini · 02-25-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Luigi007

Says ol' 314 who's been banned for over a year.

Ad-hominem isn't helping your case at all.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2006, 02:03 PM

Apparently no one bothers to read what I write. I just asked you to find a sprite comic still in production that's older than NC. Also, there's a 1UP article that clearly points to NC as the source of sprite comics. (I'm not linking to it, the link is in a topic entitled "NC Referenced"). There's your proof.

Wikipedia needs to give NC the respect it deserves. Jay himself has said that half the claims given by the deletionists are lies (but he'll respect the decision). Many of their arguments are personal attacks on NC as well. Now tell me if THOSE are reasons to delete it.

Deleting the article would be an insult to Sean, myself, and just about a crapload of others who helped to create it. And that would piss me off.

Now, I don't take myself seriously at all. I do, however, take two things seriously:
1. What I do
2. What I believe in.

BM and Raven guy: If you were to publish a paper and put it on the internet, a bunch of people used it as a source of info, you gained a following, and you wanted to reference that paper somewhere on Wikipedia, and the deletionists said it was created by some nobody and wanted to delete it, how would it make you feel? I feel the same way.

It seems to me that there are several people joining our forum to attack us. -CSM

X-3 · 02-25-2006, 02:14 PM

TRE: Study harder, stars are bigger then planets. They're just REALLY far away.

Yeah. *Whistle*

"Oh, and by the way Crazyswordsman, don't go around criticizing Tom Soda's grammar and punctuation when you say that everyone "things" Bob and George came before NC."

G is pretty close to K, so I'm pretty sure that was just a typo. :|

As I said before, the article should stay, I think it has been proven enough thta it was the first Sprite Comic, and if it wasn't, it was the first to make alot of people make one.

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Apparently no one bothers to read what I write. I just asked you to find a sprite comic still in production that's older than NC. Also, there's a 1UP article that clearly points to NC as the source of sprite comics. (I'm not linking to it, the link is in a topic entitled "NC Referenced"). There's your proof.

Wikipedia needs to give NC the respect it deserves. Jay himself has said that half the claims given by the deletionists are lies (but he'll respect the decision). Many of their arguments are personal attacks on NC as well. Now tell me if THOSE are reasons to delete it.

Deleting the article would be an insult to Sean, myself, and just about a crapload of others who helped to create it. And that would piss me off.

Now, I don't take myself seriously at all. I do, however, take two things seriously:
1. What I do
2. What I believe in.

BM and Raven guy: If you were to publish a paper and put it on the internet, a bunch of people used it as a source of info, you gained a following, and you wanted to reference that paper somewhere on Wikipedia, and the deletionists said it was created by some nobody and wanted to delete it, how would it make you feel? I feel the same way. -CSM

what is 1UP.com? and even so, I've already stated that it being the first sprite comic is totally irrelevant. It's apparent that you didn't read what I said.

NC doesn't deserve any respect just because you say it does. What has it done to earn respect? I'll play Devil's Advocate here and say NC was the first sprite comic. But it wasn't the Beatles of sprite comics; it didn't innovate or inspire others to do it. It didn't create a huge buzz. It didn't mean that Dave Anez would never have done Bob and George. Etc, etc etc.

Tons of articles get deleted. I am sure there have been FAR more important Wiki articles that have been deleted than this one. The NC one most definitely won't be missed. Well, except for the 5 to 6 people who are clinging to this as if it was the end-all-be-all of articles. The fact that you would get pissed off over such a deletion only further supports the fact that the only people who legitimately give a rat's ass is diehard fanboys.

Where is this following that is rallying to save NC from Wiki-deletion? Oh wait, there's not one! Who uses NC as "a source of info"? There's no information on there that would be of use to anybody at any given time. But let's say I did make such an article, that had a following and was a useful source of info. I would be upset, if it was something that would be worthwhile. A synopsis, character guide, or whatever of a SPRITE COMIC is not exactly a source of info that lots of people could use for practical purposes.

Seriously, just get over the fact that NC won't be on Wikipedia anymore. I swear, you're getting all emo over something completely unimportant. I only hope you'd act this distraught when something REAL bad happens.

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by X-3

TRE: Study harder, stars are bigger then planets. They're just REALLY far away.

hey "genius", it's called an analogy. Ever hear of one? They are used to juxtapose (i know, it's a big word. it means to compare and contrast) things. Most people think stars are small. Most people think planets are large. Only those who want to get technical (aka, YOU) would point out something as silly as that. But if you want me to use another analogy:

in the webcomic world, NC is the $100 bill that B&G/8BT uses to light their cigars.

Benito Mussolini · 02-25-2006, 02:26 PM

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Apparently no one bothers to read what I write. I just asked you to find a sprite comic still in production that's older than NC. Also, there's a 1UP article that clearly points to NC as the source of sprite comics. (I'm not linking to it, the link is in a topic entitled "NC Referenced"). There's your proof.

That's still not proof, and so saying it is wholly un-encyclopaedic. NC comics is supposed to be the originator of sprite-comics and the influence of every other sprite comic on the web, yet it still remains a relatively small, unpopular webpage. If it was truly monumentally influential, it would be frequently cited as a major influence for many producers of web comics, but it is not. Even if it was the first, it doesn't mean it had any effect on the web-comic community, other people could of formulated the idea of sprite-comics long after NC did without even knowing about it. It has had relatively little impact for supposedly innovating and inspiring an entire genre.

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Wikipedia needs to give NC the respect it deserves.

Whether it deserves respect is entirely up to interpretation.

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Deleting the article would be an insult to Sean, myself, and just about a crapload of others who helped to create it. And that would piss me off.

Wikipedia are not concerned with how much effort you pumped into the article. From what I read of it, it was very poorly worded anyway and entirely un-encyclopaedic. But that is not the concern. Do not expect Wikipedia to put up an article simply because alot of effort went into it's creation, they are concerned with whether it deserves to be included in a compendium of human knowledge, and an obscure sprite comic on a relatively unpopular website making unsubstantiated claims doesn't deserve to be in any encyclopaedia, even one as shaky as Wikipedia.

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BM and Raven guy: If you were to publish a paper and put it on the internet, a bunch of people used it as a source of info, you gained a following, and you wanted to reference that paper somewhere on Wikipedia, and the deletionists said it was created by some nobody and wanted to delete it, how would it make you feel?

If I wrote an in-depth article about my cat with half a dozen included pictures and oodles of information, submitted it to Wikipedia and found it deleted, I wouldn't be surprised.

X-3 · 02-25-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRavenEffect

hey "genius", it's called an analogy. Ever hear of one? They are used to juxtapose (i know, it's a big word. it means to compare and contrast) things. Most people think stars are small. Most people think planets are large. Only those who want to get technical (aka, YOU) would point out something as silly as that. But if you want me to use another analogy:

in the webcomic world, NC is the $100 bill that B&G/8BT uses to light their cigars.

I guess that second Analogy is better, considering that NC isn't really popular compared to other comics.

Anyway...

"The fact that you would get pissed off over such a deletion only further supports the fact that the only people who legitimately give a rat's ass is diehard fanboys."

I enjoy NC. However, recently I have been reading B&G and I think it's really funny. I care about NC's article, but I am not a die-hard fanboy.

You accuse L007 of coming in this topic and immedinatly flaming those against the NC article. However, look at your first post in this topic and compare it to L007's.

Whatever. You're a little too dense.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2006, 02:30 PM

That's all your opinion. B&G and 8BT have OVERBLOWN CHARACTER LISTS AS SEPARATE ARTICLES. No one seems to bash those as "fancruft."

And the resaon there's no following that is rallying to save NC from Wiki-deletion is because we're smart enough to know that no one here who does not contribute to things outside NC will have their opinion counted.

Who uses B&G as a "Source of info?" Who uses 8BT as a "Source of info?" Fewer people than NC, in fact. If you actually knew NC's history, you'd know that it has tons of articles related to the Neglected Characters of the Mario Universe. Also, about THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE PER DAY use SMBHQ as a source of info, and SMBHQ was cited by both Nintendo Power AND EGM. NC/SMBHQ is site is more popular than Starmen.net, which is a VERY popular. So don't go bashing it and calling it "unpopular."

1UP, by the way, is a major gaming site, kind of like IGN or GameStop.

And the only reason I said what I did about Tom Soda is because he personally attacked my posting style in an unintelligent way.

Oh yeah, and by calling NC obscure, you guys are bashing it now. If there's any place you should not be bashing NC without us coming down on you, it's here. -CSM

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by X-3

I guess that second Analogy is better, considering that NC isn't really popular compared to other comics.

Anyway...

"The fact that you would get pissed off over such a deletion only further supports the fact that the only people who legitimately give a rat's ass is diehard fanboys."

I enjoy NC. However, recently I have been reading B&G and I think it's really funny. I care about NC's article, but I am not a die-hard fanboy.

You accuse L007 of coming in this topic and immedinatly flaming those against the NC article. However, look at your first post in this topic and compare it to L007's.

Yeah.

I didn't flame anyone in this topic. Pointing out how one is acting, and it being true does not constitute flaming. Good try, though. I'd like to see you guys counter my points as opposed to point out fallacies in analogies or accusing me of flaming.

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

That's all your opinion. B&G and 8BT have OVERBLOWN CHARACTER LISTS AS SEPARATE ARTICLES. No one seems to bash those as "fancruft."

And the resaon there's no following that is rallying to save NC from Wiki-deletion is because we're smart enough to know that no one here who does not contribute to things outside NC will have their opinion counted.

Who uses B&G as a "Source of info?" Who uses 8BT as a "Source of info?" Fewer people than NC, in fact. If you actually knew NC's history, you'd know that it has tons of articles related to the Neglected Characters of the Mario Universe. Also, about THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE PER DAY use SMBHQ as a source of info, and SMBHQ was cited by both Nintendo Power AND EGM. NC/SMBHQ is site is more popular than Starmen.net, which is a VERY popular. So don't go bashing it and calling it "unpopular."

1UP, by the way, is a major gaming site, kind of like IGN or GameStop.

And the only reason I said what I did about Tom Soda is because he personally attacked my posting style in an unintelligent way.

Oh yeah, and by calling NC obscure, you guys are bashing it now. If there's any place you should not be bashing NC without us coming down on you, it's here. -CSM

sites like 8BT and B&G can have separate pages for characters, because their characters aren't one dimensional, and require a lot of explanation in terms of story, etc. Meanwhile, NC is one dimensional fluff.

Second paragraph, don't need to argue that one. The only ones who see it as worth saving are the two people who contribute to it.

Paragraph 3, you destroy your own argument by taking about now no one uses 8BT and B&G as a source of info, and then go on about how NC has pages about Neglected Mario characters. What is the point of that? Then you go on and talk about SMBHQ, which has absolutely nothing to do with this argument at all.

So 1 "major" site endorsed NC, and that automatically means it is relevant?

As for that last paragraph, I'd totally expect you to "come down" on me for having a different opinion and being blunt. It's the only tactic you have left, because I've kicked your guys' asses around this topic for the last page or so.

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tom soda

Well, it isn't SMBHQ getting deleted, is it? Apparently, people are still visiting the site, so who gives a **** about the Wikipedia page?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Alph · 02-25-2006, 03:00 PM

You know what the thing is though? NC comix can never get as popular as B&G or 8BT because it simply doesn't update enough. People have short attention spans, and those two comics keep those attention spans satisfied by having frequent, regular installments. Not only do frequent installments keep fans from leaving out of boredom, but it will eventually result in a huge archive of past comics that will attract lots of newcomers.

I realize Jay is busy and all, but the simple fact is NC comix only has four main story arcs, and a few side plots. And don't even mention the deathmatch section, that is pretty much dead by now.

I betcha that if NC comix were frequently updated and had a large archive of past comix, its placement on Wikipedia would not even be in question.

Benito Mussolini · 02-25-2006, 03:02 PM

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That's all your opinion. B&G and 8BT have OVERBLOWN CHARACTER LISTS AS SEPARATE ARTICLES. No one seems to bash those as "fancruft."

I think they should be deleted as well, but even then, they have more point being there than an enormous list of references to pop culture in NC comics. Characters and "pop culture references" are two totally different things.

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And the resaon there's no following that is rallying to save NC from Wiki-deletion is because we're smart enough to know that no one here who does not contribute to things outside NC will have their opinion counted.

Because the wikipedia people really know exactly who contributes to NC and who doesn't.

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Who uses B&G as a "Source of info?" Who uses 8BT as a "Source of info?" Fewer people than NC, in fact. If you actually knew NC's history, you'd know that it has tons of articles related to the Neglected Characters of the Mario Universe. Also, about THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE PER DAY use SMBHQ as a source of info, and SMBHQ was cited by both Nintendo Power AND EGM. NC/SMBHQ is site is more popular than Starmen.net, which is a VERY popular. So don't go bashing it and calling it "unpopular."

What's SMBHQ got to do with anything?

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1UP, by the way, is a major gaming site, kind of like IGN or GameStop.

Okay.

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Oh yeah, and by calling NC obscure, you guys are bashing it now. If there's any place you should not be bashing NC without us coming down on you, it's here

The more who 'come down' on me, the more who are just going to end up out-debated and embarrased.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2006, 03:03 PM

It's not as much you as it is BM. And now, by calling NC's characters "one dimensional fluff," that's actually bashing NC. You do nothing more than strengthen my arguments.

Sean actually issued a statement saying that he doesn't want people voicing their opinions on the article unless they have contributed to the Wikipedia. Read the first post in this topic.

Oh, and SMBHQ is the host of NC, and NC is the most popular section of SMBHQ, just to counter your claim that NC isn't popular.

Alph makes a very good point. NC simply can't be as popular as B&G or 8BT because Jay actually HAS A LIFE, and doesn't sit in front of his computer three times a week making small comics that take little to no effort. Jay actually likes to put effort into his work, and that could take DAYS.
-CSM

helloworld · 02-25-2006, 03:19 PM

Bye bye, NC Wikipedia entry!

To be fair, Wikipedia has alot of useless trash rotting in its vast stores of information. I for one oppose getting rid of all of it in order to make it a viable source of all useful information. An electronic database is far easier to interface with than several hundred pounds of ink, glue and paper. Wikipedia's method of collecting information is a double edged sword in that it may also absorb a useful article on President Franklin Delano Roosevelt as well as a useless article on Neglected Mario Characters.

Merely saying the NC article is useless would be unfair to those detracting Tom Soda and Raven Effect's well crafted arguements. How is NC going to be useful to anyone outside this tiny forum? Merely because Jay Resop first had the idea to rip sprites out of an emulator does not mean he or his comic deserves an article. Maybe a mention in an article of web comic history, but nothing more than that. NC did not start a revolution in web comics. It isn't well known, and none of people behind NC are asked to speak at ComicCon. The drums may have been invented by a neanderthal countless years ago, but Ringo Starr was a better drummer than said neanderthal.

Have a nice day =)

02-25-2006, 03:03 PM	#39
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,991 Thanks: 538 Thanked 374 Times in 257 Posts Points: 127,349.93 Bank: 26,695.24 Total Points: 154,045.16 Donate	It's not as much you as it is BM. And now, by calling NC's characters "one dimensional fluff," that's actually bashing NC. You do nothing more than strengthen my arguments. Sean actually issued a statement saying that he doesn't want people voicing their opinions on the article unless they have contributed to the Wikipedia. Read the first post in this topic. Oh, and SMBHQ is the host of NC, and NC is the most popular section of SMBHQ, just to counter your claim that NC isn't popular. Alph makes a very good point. NC simply can't be as popular as B&G or 8BT because Jay actually HAS A LIFE, and doesn't sit in front of his computer three times a week making small comics that take little to no effort. Jay actually likes to put effort into his work, and that could take DAYS. -CSM Last edited by Crazyswordsman; 02-25-2006 at 03:14 PM.

02-25-2006, 01:06 PM	#21
L007 is Undecided Axe Shreddin' Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: Farmerland. Gender: Posts: 7,343 Thanks: 90 Thanked 292 Times in 172 Posts Points: 2,392.50 Bank: 16,603.91 Total Points: 18,996.41 Donate	I'm sorry, but I'm not with the lingo these days. Do kids say shut the **** up? Or is it still STFU? Because I think that's what I have to say against you.

02-25-2006, 01:27 PM	#22
Mark Prior Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 305 Thanks: 21 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts Points: 6,254.56 Bank: 828.59 Total Points: 7,083.15 Donate	heaven forbid someone have a different opinion. apparently, Luigi007 is also sobbing over the fact that NC is being deleted by Wikipedia. He comes into this topic, and starts flaming immediately. Kid, grow up. Your schtick wasn't funny nor clever then, and it sure as hell isn't now.

02-25-2006, 01:31 PM	#23
L007 is Undecided Axe Shreddin' Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: Farmerland. Gender: Posts: 7,343 Thanks: 90 Thanked 292 Times in 172 Posts Points: 2,392.50 Bank: 16,603.91 Total Points: 18,996.41 Donate	Says ol' 314 who's been banned for over a year.

02-25-2006, 01:34 PM	#25
Mark Prior Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 305 Thanks: 21 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts Points: 6,254.56 Bank: 828.59 Total Points: 7,083.15 Donate	yet of the two of us in this topic, you've done more to warrant being banned than I have. This is called irony.

02-25-2006, 02:03 PM	#27
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,991 Thanks: 538 Thanked 374 Times in 257 Posts Points: 127,349.93 Bank: 26,695.24 Total Points: 154,045.16 Donate	Apparently no one bothers to read what I write. I just asked you to find a sprite comic still in production that's older than NC. Also, there's a 1UP article that clearly points to NC as the source of sprite comics. (I'm not linking to it, the link is in a topic entitled "NC Referenced"). There's your proof. Wikipedia needs to give NC the respect it deserves. Jay himself has said that half the claims given by the deletionists are lies (but he'll respect the decision). Many of their arguments are personal attacks on NC as well. Now tell me if THOSE are reasons to delete it. Deleting the article would be an insult to Sean, myself, and just about a crapload of others who helped to create it. And that would piss me off. Now, I don't take myself seriously at all. I do, however, take two things seriously: 1. What I do 2. What I believe in. BM and Raven guy: If you were to publish a paper and put it on the internet, a bunch of people used it as a source of info, you gained a following, and you wanted to reference that paper somewhere on Wikipedia, and the deletionists said it was created by some nobody and wanted to delete it, how would it make you feel? I feel the same way. It seems to me that there are several people joining our forum to attack us. -CSM

02-25-2006, 02:14 PM	#28
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 9,068 Thanks: 265 Thanked 281 Times in 210 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 6,728.10 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 6,728.10 Donate	TRE: Study harder, stars are bigger then planets. They're just REALLY far away. Yeah. Whistle "Oh, and by the way Crazyswordsman, don't go around criticizing Tom Soda's grammar and punctuation when you say that everyone "things" Bob and George came before NC." G is pretty close to K, so I'm pretty sure that was just a typo. :\| As I said before, the article should stay, I think it has been proven enough thta it was the first Sprite Comic, and if it wasn't, it was the first to make alot of people make one.

02-25-2006, 02:30 PM	#33
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,991 Thanks: 538 Thanked 374 Times in 257 Posts Points: 127,349.93 Bank: 26,695.24 Total Points: 154,045.16 Donate	That's all your opinion. B&G and 8BT have OVERBLOWN CHARACTER LISTS AS SEPARATE ARTICLES. No one seems to bash those as "fancruft." And the resaon there's no following that is rallying to save NC from Wiki-deletion is because we're smart enough to know that no one here who does not contribute to things outside NC will have their opinion counted. Who uses B&G as a "Source of info?" Who uses 8BT as a "Source of info?" Fewer people than NC, in fact. If you actually knew NC's history, you'd know that it has tons of articles related to the Neglected Characters of the Mario Universe. Also, about THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE PER DAY use SMBHQ as a source of info, and SMBHQ was cited by both Nintendo Power AND EGM. NC/SMBHQ is site is more popular than Starmen.net, which is a VERY popular. So don't go bashing it and calling it "unpopular." 1UP, by the way, is a major gaming site, kind of like IGN or GameStop. And the only reason I said what I did about Tom Soda is because he personally attacked my posting style in an unintelligent way. Oh yeah, and by calling NC obscure, you guys are bashing it now. If there's any place you should not be bashing NC without us coming down on you, it's here. -CSM

02-25-2006, 03:00 PM	#37
Alph Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MWAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!ha. Gender: Posts: 1,294 Thanks: 21 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Points: 12,912.64 Bank: 729.69 Total Points: 13,642.33 Donate	You know what the thing is though? NC comix can never get as popular as B&G or 8BT because it simply doesn't update enough. People have short attention spans, and those two comics keep those attention spans satisfied by having frequent, regular installments. Not only do frequent installments keep fans from leaving out of boredom, but it will eventually result in a huge archive of past comics that will attract lots of newcomers. I realize Jay is busy and all, but the simple fact is NC comix only has four main story arcs, and a few side plots. And don't even mention the deathmatch section, that is pretty much dead by now. I betcha that if NC comix were frequently updated and had a large archive of past comix, its placement on Wikipedia would not even be in question.

02-25-2006, 03:19 PM	#40
helloworld Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 540.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,040.00 Donate	Bye bye, NC Wikipedia entry! To be fair, Wikipedia has alot of useless trash rotting in its vast stores of information. I for one oppose getting rid of all of it in order to make it a viable source of all useful information. An electronic database is far easier to interface with than several hundred pounds of ink, glue and paper. Wikipedia's method of collecting information is a double edged sword in that it may also absorb a useful article on President Franklin Delano Roosevelt as well as a useless article on Neglected Mario Characters. Merely saying the NC article is useless would be unfair to those detracting Tom Soda and Raven Effect's well crafted arguements. How is NC going to be useful to anyone outside this tiny forum? Merely because Jay Resop first had the idea to rip sprites out of an emulator does not mean he or his comic deserves an article. Maybe a mention in an article of web comic history, but nothing more than that. NC did not start a revolution in web comics. It isn't well known, and none of people behind NC are asked to speak at ComicCon. The drums may have been invented by a neanderthal countless years ago, but Ringo Starr was a better drummer than said neanderthal. Have a nice day =)