Prepare to say goodbye to NC's Wikipedia entry - VGF

**Sean P Kelly** · 02-24-2006, 08:43 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...rio_Characters

Don't bother posting anything in NC's defence, since they will probably dismiss it.

The article will live on at "Comixpedia" a wiki created because so many webcomics do not meet wikipedia's "notability" guidelines.

http://www.comixpedia.org/index.php/...rio_Characters

***CaptHayfever*** · 02-24-2006, 09:43 AM

Sean, how should I put this?.............You need to work on your temper. A lot.

If someone doesn't cleanup the article by tomorrow and it hasn't been deleted yet, then I'll try to fix it myself.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-24-2006, 12:02 PM

Wikipedians are elitists who love to spit in our faces. I posted something (they won't dismiss that since I do work on the wiki which is non-NC related as well).

Sean, if you want to gain credibility with those elitists, do some non-NC related work in Wikipedia.

Also, the minute this gets deleted I am IMMEDIATELY submitting it to Deletion Review.-CSM

edit: right now, it's 8-6 in favor of delete, which usually comes out to no consensus

**Sean P Kelly** · 02-24-2006, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptHayfever

Sean, how should I put this?.............You need to work on your temper. A lot.

Tell me something I don't know

***CaptHayfever*** · 02-24-2006, 03:36 PM

Swordsman, excellent work over there.

By the by, we've got a Wiki-admin on both sides of the issue right now. Mel for deletion and Siva for keep (citing me as his reasoning, no less!

)

I find it funny that Sinatra Fonzarelli is attacking this for non-notability, but one of his 3 major works has been on an article about a single aspect of an extremely obscure joke religion. DON'T bring that up on the AfD page, though.

Word of warning: If the list of references goes up for AfD again, I'm not going to defend it. That can easily be compressed into a brief summary and rolled into the NC article (the latter part of that process seems to already have occurred).

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**L007 is Undecided** · 02-24-2006, 06:22 PM

I highly doubt that the NC article should be deleted. If something is obscure, do we delete it? Do we tear down Stonehenge because it's old and not always thought of?

But NC is very obscure. I happened to find a comic review of Bob and George with comments. I wanted to shoot myself square IN the eyes for reading such nonsense. Some obviously claim that Bob and George is the best and just gave it five stars. Then one person came by and said the first comic was "Forgotten Mario Characters"...

Hey, that would make a good comic.

***Ynot Shane*** · 02-24-2006, 06:33 PM

*Wikipedia is full of punk bitches. They need to start paying staff rather than having a bunch of rampant/clueless fanboys running about aimlessly.*

X-3 · 02-24-2006, 06:45 PM

Some people are just idiots.

Good to see it'll live on at Compixpedia(?).

***CaptHayfever*** · 02-24-2006, 07:36 PM

^^Then it would be IMDb, complete with the whole "we're over a year behind in processing updates" angle.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-24-2006, 09:46 PM

Too bad Comixpedia is really crappy compared to Wikipedia.

L007: Where did you find the review? -CSM

X-3 · 02-24-2006, 11:27 PM

Okay, I looked at the length of the entry.

How is that even close to too long? Oh, it's got alot of pictures. Just get rid of alot, and it's the same length of FFIV's entry. Yeah.

It just needs some fixing.

It'll probaly still be deleted.

Sinatra Fonzarelli: "Um, it isn't in Wiki's notability because, um, I never heard of anything that talks about it! Yeah! And um, it doesn't have alot of hits in Google!"

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2006, 12:02 AM

Here's how Wikipedia works:

Someone nominates an article for deletion in good taste.

About 100 elitists come and question why "filth" is allowed on Wikipedia, and spit in our faces.

"Neglected Characters is an unfunny, unnotable, uninteresting, sloppy webcomic, and thus should be deleted. Its one thing going for it, the first sprite comic, is questionable. The article is as sloppy as the comic."

See what I mean? Wikipedians suck. I'm considering boycotting Wikipedia for that reason alone. I bet they will delete an article on a dam in West Virginia that I was planning to write for them. -CSM

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2006, 03:16 AM

Here's a better idea, Tom Soda. Don't double post. And start using proper capitalization and punctuation.

And I'll tell you why NC needs a Wiki entry: It was the first sprite comic. Everyone things Bob and George came first, and they are dead wrong. NC is a year and a half older than B&G. Only a Wiki entry will get that through their heads. And when elitists like that Fonzarelli guy and just about everyone else there say nasty things about it, it makes me sick of Wikipedia. I have officially renounced myself from Wikipedianship as a result of this. -CSM

**Sean P Kelly** · 02-25-2006, 11:17 AM

I just used the Internet Archive to link to NC in it's early days (boy did it look different).

Hopefully, at the very least, it will convince them about NC's longevity.

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Here's a better idea, Tom Soda. Don't double post. And start using proper capitalization and punctuation.

And I'll tell you why NC needs a Wiki entry: It was the first sprite comic. Everyone things Bob and George came first, and they are dead wrong. NC is a year and a half older than B&G. Only a Wiki entry will get that through their heads. And when elitists like that Fonzarelli guy and just about everyone else there say nasty things about it, it makes me sick of Wikipedia. I have officially renounced myself from Wikipedianship as a result of this. -CSM

Wow, someone's panties are in a bunch. I don't see why you are boo-hooing over something so irrelevant. "Wah wah wah NC came before Bob and George", no one cares, honestly, except for fanboys who like to nitpick at tiny little details because they have nothing better to do with their time. Not to mention the fact that this is NOT anything of historical relevance at all. If it were the first comic strip ever, maybe. But it's the "first" sprite comic (just because it was the first to gain a fanbase of sorts doesn't mean someone else didn't make a sprite comic before NC), which in terms of relevance is absolute jack squat.

Jesus Christ man, you guys are acting like this is one big Holocaust or something. So NC won't be on Wikipedia, cry me a river. NC is read by a handful of people anyway, it's no big loss. I believe it was mentioned somewhere within the debate that "remember that if this is deleted, it will eventually be forgotten". I do believe that was countered with "isn't expression of concern that without this article, this webcomic will go forgotten somewhat of an admission that this webcomic is not very well-known?". yeah, that more or less covers the "no one will miss it" aspect.

To be fairly honest, Sinatra Fonzarelli has completely debunked any and all arguments you have come up with so far. It's at the point now where you all just sound like a bunch of fanboy babies trying to salvage the post-iceberg Titanic. Crazyswordsman's renouncing of himself from Wikipedia altogether only helps prove me correct on that aspect. "omg they deleted an article I like, I'M NEVER GOING BACK EVAR!!!111" Get over yourself.

Oh, and by the way Crazyswordsman, don't go around criticizing Tom Soda's grammar and punctuation when you say that everyone "things" Bob and George came before NC.

Thank you and g'nite.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-25-2006, 12:05 PM

Can you find a sprite comic that's still on the Internet that was started before NC?

And hey, if B&G and 8BT are allowed to have long character lists, why isn't NC allowed at least an article?

Oh, and the people who think B&G came first probably haven't read NC. You know who thinks B&G came first? One Brian Clevinger, only the author of the net's most popular sprite comic, 8-Bit Theatre. The author of Kid Radd thinks B&G came first. These people aren't fanboys last time I checked.
-CSM

**L007 is Undecided** · 02-25-2006, 12:14 PM

Get the hell out of here, trolls.

CSM, it sounds like we may be winning. Sinatra is just acting more of a prick and not providing crucial enough evidence. Hell, where's the evidence saying NC ISN'T the first sprite comic?

Mark Prior · 02-25-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Can you find a sprite comic that's still on the Internet that was started before NC?

And hey, if B&G and 8BT are allowed to have long character lists, why isn't NC allowed at least an article?

Oh, and the people who think B&G came first probably haven't read NC. You know who thinks B&G came first? One Brian Clevinger, only the author of the net's most popular sprite comic, 8-Bit Theatre. The author of Kid Radd thinks B&G came first. These people aren't fanboys last time I checked.
-CSM

because Bob and George and 8BT are FAR more popular than NC was, or ever will be. NC is just another star in the night sky. Comics like B&G and 8BT are like planets in comparison. Thanks for aiding my argument with the "most popular sprite comic" thing. Saves me from having to do it. And once again, you are delving into the VERY irrelevant fact of what came first. It's like fighting over who was in line first. NO ONE CARES.

Benito Mussolini · 02-25-2006, 12:20 PM

Even if it did come first, if Wikipedia wants to try to remain a legitimate source of factual information (Or at least maintain a slight pretension of it) they still cannot make the claim that it did. There is no solid evidence to substantiate the fact that it did, only a string of fan boyish claims from a legion of seemingly obsessed twelve year old fans. Other than this, NC Comics has absolutely no claim to notability and thus does not deserve a space in an encyclopaedia (even one was jaggedly flawed as Wikipedia). Articles like this are the reason why an open-source compilation of world knowledge is being more and more scorned in academic circles everyday, because it is riddled with uncorroborated “facts”.

Benito Mussolini · 02-25-2006, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Hell, where's the evidence saying NC ISN'T the first sprite comic?

Where's the evidence to say that I didn't invent the spatula? I should have an article based on this possibility.

Exactly my point.

It's also funny that people are being attacked in this topic by presenting a differing viewpoint. This is totalitarianism in it's truest form.

02-24-2006, 08:43 AM	#1
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,242 Thanks: 9 Thanked 41 Times in 32 Posts Points: 177,105.11 Bank: 63,759.26 Total Points: 240,864.37 Donate	Prepare to say goodbye to NC's Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...rio_Characters Don't bother posting anything in NC's defence, since they will probably dismiss it. The article will live on at "Comixpedia" a wiki created because so many webcomics do not meet wikipedia's "notability" guidelines. http://www.comixpedia.org/index.php/...rio_Characters

02-24-2006, 12:02 PM	#3
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,979 Thanks: 537 Thanked 373 Times in 256 Posts Points: 126,404.27 Bank: 26,171.80 Total Points: 152,576.07 Donate	Wikipedians are elitists who love to spit in our faces. I posted something (they won't dismiss that since I do work on the wiki which is non-NC related as well). Sean, if you want to gain credibility with those elitists, do some non-NC related work in Wikipedia. Also, the minute this gets deleted I am IMMEDIATELY submitting it to Deletion Review.-CSM edit: right now, it's 8-6 in favor of delete, which usually comes out to no consensus Last edited by Crazyswordsman; 02-24-2006 at 12:33 PM.

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02-24-2006, 11:27 PM	#11
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 9,013 Thanks: 264 Thanked 276 Times in 205 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 5,524.25 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 5,524.25 Donate	Okay, I looked at the length of the entry. How is that even close to too long? Oh, it's got alot of pictures. Just get rid of alot, and it's the same length of FFIV's entry. Yeah. It just needs some fixing. It'll probaly still be deleted. Sinatra Fonzarelli: "Um, it isn't in Wiki's notability because, um, I never heard of anything that talks about it! Yeah! And um, it doesn't have alot of hits in Google!" Last edited by X-3; 02-24-2006 at 11:43 PM.

02-24-2006, 09:43 AM	#2
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,273 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 474 Posts Points: 105,383.73 Bank: 923.79 Total Points: 106,307.52 Donate	Sean, how should I put this?.............You need to work on your temper. A lot. If someone doesn't cleanup the article by tomorrow and it hasn't been deleted yet, then I'll try to fix it myself. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

02-24-2006, 03:36 PM	#5
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,273 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 474 Posts Points: 105,383.73 Bank: 923.79 Total Points: 106,307.52 Donate	Swordsman, excellent work over there. By the by, we've got a Wiki-admin on both sides of the issue right now. Mel for deletion and Siva for keep (citing me as his reasoning, no less! ) I find it funny that Sinatra Fonzarelli is attacking this for non-notability, but one of his 3 major works has been on an article about a single aspect of an extremely obscure joke religion. DON'T bring that up on the AfD page, though. Word of warning: If the list of references goes up for AfD again, I'm not going to defend it. That can easily be compressed into a brief summary and rolled into the NC article (the latter part of that process seems to already have occurred). And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

02-24-2006, 06:22 PM	#6
L007 is Undecided Axe Shreddin' Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: Farmerland. Gender: Posts: 7,341 Thanks: 90 Thanked 292 Times in 172 Posts Points: 2,160.54 Bank: 16,278.34 Total Points: 18,438.88 Donate	I highly doubt that the NC article should be deleted. If something is obscure, do we delete it? Do we tear down Stonehenge because it's old and not always thought of? But NC is very obscure. I happened to find a comic review of Bob and George with comments. I wanted to shoot myself square IN the eyes for reading such nonsense. Some obviously claim that Bob and George is the best and just gave it five stars. Then one person came by and said the first comic was "Forgotten Mario Characters"... Hey, that would make a good comic.

02-24-2006, 06:45 PM	#8
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 9,013 Thanks: 264 Thanked 276 Times in 205 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 5,524.25 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 5,524.25 Donate	Some people are just idiots. Good to see it'll live on at Compixpedia(?).

02-24-2006, 07:36 PM	#9
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,273 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 474 Posts Points: 105,383.73 Bank: 923.79 Total Points: 106,307.52 Donate	^^Then it would be IMDb, complete with the whole "we're over a year behind in processing updates" angle. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

02-24-2006, 09:46 PM	#10
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,979 Thanks: 537 Thanked 373 Times in 256 Posts Points: 126,404.27 Bank: 26,171.80 Total Points: 152,576.07 Donate	Too bad Comixpedia is really crappy compared to Wikipedia. L007: Where did you find the review? -CSM

02-25-2006, 12:02 AM	#12
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,979 Thanks: 537 Thanked 373 Times in 256 Posts Points: 126,404.27 Bank: 26,171.80 Total Points: 152,576.07 Donate	Here's how Wikipedia works: Someone nominates an article for deletion in good taste. About 100 elitists come and question why "filth" is allowed on Wikipedia, and spit in our faces. "Neglected Characters is an unfunny, unnotable, uninteresting, sloppy webcomic, and thus should be deleted. Its one thing going for it, the first sprite comic, is questionable. The article is as sloppy as the comic." See what I mean? Wikipedians suck. I'm considering boycotting Wikipedia for that reason alone. I bet they will delete an article on a dam in West Virginia that I was planning to write for them. -CSM

02-25-2006, 03:16 AM	#13
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,979 Thanks: 537 Thanked 373 Times in 256 Posts Points: 126,404.27 Bank: 26,171.80 Total Points: 152,576.07 Donate	Here's a better idea, Tom Soda. Don't double post. And start using proper capitalization and punctuation. And I'll tell you why NC needs a Wiki entry: It was the first sprite comic. Everyone things Bob and George came first, and they are dead wrong. NC is a year and a half older than B&G. Only a Wiki entry will get that through their heads. And when elitists like that Fonzarelli guy and just about everyone else there say nasty things about it, it makes me sick of Wikipedia. I have officially renounced myself from Wikipedianship as a result of this. -CSM

02-25-2006, 11:17 AM	#14
Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,242 Thanks: 9 Thanked 41 Times in 32 Posts Points: 177,105.11 Bank: 63,759.26 Total Points: 240,864.37 Donate	I just used the Internet Archive to link to NC in it's early days (boy did it look different). Hopefully, at the very least, it will convince them about NC's longevity.

02-25-2006, 12:05 PM	#16
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,979 Thanks: 537 Thanked 373 Times in 256 Posts Points: 126,404.27 Bank: 26,171.80 Total Points: 152,576.07 Donate	Can you find a sprite comic that's still on the Internet that was started before NC? And hey, if B&G and 8BT are allowed to have long character lists, why isn't NC allowed at least an article? Oh, and the people who think B&G came first probably haven't read NC. You know who thinks B&G came first? One Brian Clevinger, only the author of the net's most popular sprite comic, 8-Bit Theatre. The author of Kid Radd thinks B&G came first. These people aren't fanboys last time I checked. -CSM

02-25-2006, 12:14 PM	#17
L007 is Undecided Axe Shreddin' Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: Farmerland. Gender: Posts: 7,341 Thanks: 90 Thanked 292 Times in 172 Posts Points: 2,160.54 Bank: 16,278.34 Total Points: 18,438.88 Donate	Get the hell out of here, trolls. CSM, it sounds like we may be winning. Sinatra is just acting more of a prick and not providing crucial enough evidence. Hell, where's the evidence saying NC ISN'T the first sprite comic?

02-25-2006, 12:20 PM	#19
Benito Mussolini Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Points: 1,966.82 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,476.82 Donate	Even if it did come first, if Wikipedia wants to try to remain a legitimate source of factual information (Or at least maintain a slight pretension of it) they still cannot make the claim that it did. There is no solid evidence to substantiate the fact that it did, only a string of fan boyish claims from a legion of seemingly obsessed twelve year old fans. Other than this, NC Comics has absolutely no claim to notability and thus does not deserve a space in an encyclopaedia (even one was jaggedly flawed as Wikipedia). Articles like this are the reason why an open-source compilation of world knowledge is being more and more scorned in academic circles everyday, because it is riddled with uncorroborated “facts”.