Did the Swedes Do Something To Piss Off America? - Page 2 - VGF

Koga · 03-23-2006, 04:16 AM

I can imagine that it's difficult without visual reference. The terminology with back, front, high, low, rounded and unrounded can be quite confusing.

Codiekitty · 03-23-2006, 01:36 PM

I do have the movies Wild Strawberries and Persona, so maybe after I watch them as movies I can go through and carefully watch how everyone's mouths are moving.

Granted, without Swedish subtitles, I don't think I'd know exactly which sounds they're making.

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Crazybirdanimations · 03-23-2006, 03:32 PM

good luck with that!

**Dylan** · 03-23-2006, 03:59 PM

I say learn a language worth learning. Like...Yiddish.

~Dylan

Koga · 03-23-2006, 04:14 PM

Of course you can only see the shape of the mouth when you see someone talking. You can hardly see the position of their tongue, which is the most important articulator for vowels.

Codiekitty · 03-23-2006, 04:36 PM

^^ I'm studying Japanese, too.

I also took four years of Spanish in Middle and High School, and have forgotten 95% of it (didn't help that I never really had my heart set in learning it)

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Crazybirdanimations · 03-23-2006, 04:45 PM

oh well, when do you need to use another languege?

Koga · 03-24-2006, 03:22 AM

I'm using one right now, and I use it every day. I agree, though that when you're a native English speaker you don't need to use a foreign language as often as when you have another native tongue.

Romplayer · 03-24-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Koga

It's not the sound in 'euh' (I assume you mean the sound you utter when thinking, also spelled eh, or erm), which is schwa.

Hmmm... I didn't mean the erm. But I was asking because I don't know exactly how you pronounce euh. If you say it is pronounced erm, I made a mistake.
I'm not sure whether you know, but I'm a German guy. Just an information

You seem to know a lot about languages and pronounciation. Do you have something to do with these things?
Do you know whether the Swedish ö is pronounced different than the German one?
Edit: Oh, just read the last post. Didn't know that you are a non-English person as well. But isn't your language (Dutch?) very similar to German? Do you have an ö too?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodieKitty

I also took four years of Spanish in Middle and High School, and have forgotten 95% of it (didn't help that I never really had my heart set in learning it)

Hehe, I'm also learning Spanish in the moment. But well... learning isn't the right expression. Let's say I have the subject in school and... that's all

But I chose Spanish as an optional subject. I think it's a good thing to know at least the basics of as many languages as possible. Although I can't really talk with a French person (and neither with a Spanish) without problems, and although I have bad marks because of these two subjects, I am glad to have had them.
It's a good thing to know you can pronounce foreign words properly (I hate people in restaurants that can't pronounce the food properly they are ordering) and you can also understand the main part of a foreign text.
In my opinion that's a very important thing, although I hate it to have to stay in school when all the others are allowed to go home.

Codiekitty · 03-24-2006, 02:58 PM

Joy of joys. Finnish also has a dotted O. I haven't played the discs so I don't know what it sounds like, but I wanted to cry when I saw that.

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Codiekitty · 03-26-2006, 06:25 PM

Maybe yet another reason I can't find anything is because of the area of the country I'm in, although people on Amazon were also complaining about the lack of decent Swedish material.

If I lived in Minnesota, I could probably find plenty of material. But I live in New Mexico, where everyone wants to learn Spanish.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

X-4 · 03-26-2006, 06:40 PM

they made nukes

Codiekitty · 03-27-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

Sweden is a Socialist country, so naturally there'd be some tension between us and the Swedes, especially considering who's in power right now here. I honestly think such tension is silly, as Sweden is a democracy, heh. -CSM

Okay, last night while I was looking at a book I have about humans (human body, human mind, politics, culture, etc.), and it says the only Socialist/Communist countries that exist anymore are China, Cuba, and North Korea, and China is starting to lose its communist ways. Since the book is only two years old (maybe even a few months less) and Sweden's had the "free hospitals and colleges and other luxuries" deal for a while now, it would probably know. And it's written by a joint of the Smithsonian and DK books so I think it knows what it's talking about (although I was wondering what was going on when their books and signs kept calling pandas bears, then somebody online informed me they did more studies and found pandas are more closely related to bears than they previously thought).

Except for Communism/Socialism, it doesn't list "What nations follow these economies", so I couldn't figure out what Sweden really was. The closest thing I could find based on the description was "Government Regulated Capitalism".

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Romplayer · 03-31-2006, 03:03 PM

Hey Koga, are you still alive?

Koga · 04-03-2006, 05:17 PM

Yes, I am. I've just been away on a skiing trip for a week.

I'm indeed Dutch and it is quite similar to German. I can still understand German very well, but I can't speak it as well as I used to. It's mainly voacabulary that I lack nowadays.

I study English language and culture, but I'm much more interested in the language side, especially phonology, which is why I know so much about languages and pronunciation. I'm currently writing my honours dissertation on the acquisition of the 'th' sounds by German speakers of English, so I've read quite a lot about German phonology as well. In case you are wondering why I chose German speakers and not Dutch, it's because someone else already did that. It shouldn't be a problem, because I live quite close to the border near Niedersachsen.

I think the dotted o is similar to Swedish in hoert, but not in schoen. Dutch doesn't have a dotted o, but it does have the same sounds. 'oe' in 'hoert' is usually spelled 'u' and in 'schoen' it's 'eu'. German and Dutch have almost the same sounds, but the spelling is very differen, as well as the distribution of sounds.

03-23-2006, 04:16 AM	#21
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,466.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,218.82 Donate	I can imagine that it's difficult without visual reference. The terminology with back, front, high, low, rounded and unrounded can be quite confusing.

03-23-2006, 01:36 PM	#22
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 173 Times in 119 Posts Points: 43,746.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,065,197.46 Donate	I do have the movies Wild Strawberries and Persona, so maybe after I watch them as movies I can go through and carefully watch how everyone's mouths are moving. Granted, without Swedish subtitles, I don't think I'd know exactly which sounds they're making. Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

03-23-2006, 03:32 PM	#23
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03-23-2006, 03:59 PM	#24
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03-23-2006, 04:14 PM	#25
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,466.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,218.82 Donate	Of course you can only see the shape of the mouth when you see someone talking. You can hardly see the position of their tongue, which is the most important articulator for vowels.

03-23-2006, 04:36 PM	#26
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 173 Times in 119 Posts Points: 43,746.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,065,197.46 Donate	^^ I'm studying Japanese, too. I also took four years of Spanish in Middle and High School, and have forgotten 95% of it (didn't help that I never really had my heart set in learning it) Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

03-23-2006, 04:45 PM	#27
Crazybirdanimations Platinum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: California Gender: Posts: 4,625 Thanks: 233 Thanked 197 Times in 165 Posts Points: 10,689.47 Bank: 8,786.99 Total Points: 19,476.46 Donate	oh well, when do you need to use another languege?

03-24-2006, 03:22 AM	#28
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,466.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,218.82 Donate	I'm using one right now, and I use it every day. I agree, though that when you're a native English speaker you don't need to use a foreign language as often as when you have another native tongue.

03-24-2006, 02:58 PM	#30
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 173 Times in 119 Posts Points: 43,746.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,065,197.46 Donate	Joy of joys. Finnish also has a dotted O. I haven't played the discs so I don't know what it sounds like, but I wanted to cry when I saw that. Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

03-26-2006, 06:25 PM	#31
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 173 Times in 119 Posts Points: 43,746.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,065,197.46 Donate	Maybe yet another reason I can't find anything is because of the area of the country I'm in, although people on Amazon were also complaining about the lack of decent Swedish material. If I lived in Minnesota, I could probably find plenty of material. But I live in New Mexico, where everyone wants to learn Spanish. Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

03-26-2006, 06:40 PM	#32
X-4 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Gender: Posts: 284 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Points: 3,368.27 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 3,368.27 Donate	they made nukes

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04-03-2006, 05:17 PM	#35
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,466.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,218.82 Donate	Yes, I am. I've just been away on a skiing trip for a week. I'm indeed Dutch and it is quite similar to German. I can still understand German very well, but I can't speak it as well as I used to. It's mainly voacabulary that I lack nowadays. I study English language and culture, but I'm much more interested in the language side, especially phonology, which is why I know so much about languages and pronunciation. I'm currently writing my honours dissertation on the acquisition of the 'th' sounds by German speakers of English, so I've read quite a lot about German phonology as well. In case you are wondering why I chose German speakers and not Dutch, it's because someone else already did that. It shouldn't be a problem, because I live quite close to the border near Niedersachsen. I think the dotted o is similar to Swedish in hoert, but not in schoen. Dutch doesn't have a dotted o, but it does have the same sounds. 'oe' in 'hoert' is usually spelled 'u' and in 'schoen' it's 'eu'. German and Dutch have almost the same sounds, but the spelling is very differen, as well as the distribution of sounds.