Emulation Forum -- NOT ROMs.

Rainbow Dash · 07-27-2008, 08:07 PM

A forum to talk about emulation in general, not about actual ROMs. Like, for instance, how an emulator project is going.

heh · 07-27-2008, 08:08 PM

I don't think enough people care about emulation on this forum.

Of course, i'd love to play some people on 3rd Strike or something over 2df.

Inferno Dragon · 07-28-2008, 04:59 AM

I think it's a good idea. say, would "ROM hacking" discussion be allowed on the supposed emulation forum? because they are technicly emulation projects.

Kargath · 07-28-2008, 05:39 AM

... you fail at Legal 101.

Rainbow Dash · 07-28-2008, 09:48 AM

Me? No. Emulators are perfectly legal as long as you don't use them to play commercial games.

Metal Man · 07-28-2008, 04:17 PM

This would just cause a glut of locked "OMG ROMS" topics. Probably wouldn't work.

Jesus · 07-28-2008, 04:26 PM

I thought it was legal as long as you bought an actual copy of the game and dumped it onto your computer yourself.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 07-28-2008, 06:06 PM

Who DOESN'T love emulation? The only thing I hate about it is I can't find what I need. Which is gay.

Blake · 07-28-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wariovswario

I thought it was legal as long as you bought an actual copy of the game and dumped it onto your computer yourself.

I think with Nintendo reselling their games on the Wii it's sort of controversial.

But personally, I still feel if you payed for it once, there's nothing wrong with owning a copy of the game on PC.

***Ace Mercury*** · 07-28-2008, 09:12 PM

Nintendo thinks that's wrong. The right thing would be to buy the same game over and over again, until all your money is theirs.

Metal Man · 07-29-2008, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I REALLY HATE POKEMON!

Who DOESN'T love emulation? The only thing I hate about it is I can't find what I need. Which is gay.

All the people getting sued by companies for stealing their games is totally heterosexual!

Inferno Dragon · 07-29-2008, 06:25 AM

actually it is legal if you already own the game. like say you owned a physical copy of Chrono Trigger for the SNES, it would be perfectly legal to download the ROM of Chrono Trigger. however if you were to download that same ROM file, but did not pay for the actual game then it would be illegal to own the ROM for more than 24 hours.

so as long as you own a physical copy of a game then it would be okay to downlad the roms of your game collection.

I however do have certain restrictions that I have placed on myself as far as emulation goes.

1. I only have emulators of defunct systems that they don't make games for anymore (NES, SNES, Genesis, master system, gb/gba, N64, etc.)

2. I only download ROM files of games I own permanently, for games I don't own I download a ROM for a 24hour time period and play through it to see if it warrents buying for my systems and if it does then I'll go out and buy it at a retro gaming store that still sells those kinds of games. and don't get me wrong it's convenient to have the roms on your comp but nothing beats the experience of playing the game on the actual console, and I still play my old systems alot, and they are still working in perfect condition (except the NES, it still needs regular cleaning sessions to keep it running smoothly)

3.ROM hacks, like total conversions to create a new gaming experience or level edits or text edits are legal as long as the original credits and copyrights are still in-tact. it is not legal, however, to completely remove any evidence of the original staff and copyrights. for example, when you boot up a super metroid rom with a hack patched to it and it says "nintendo @1993" as well as "rom hack made by soandso @ 2004" then it is perfectly legal. and I refuse to download any romhack that does not credit the original creators.

(I know kargath will argue with me on that last point but I honestly don't care, I asked my town's judge and three different lawyers (my lawyer, my dad's lawyer and my friend's lawyer) about that and fanworks and they all said that as long as it was non-profit and as long as credit was givin to the original creators then there was not a problem with plagerism/copyright infringement unless the creator himself gave a cease and desist order)

Dizzy · 07-29-2008, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inferno Dragon

so as long as you own a physical copy of a game then it would be okay to downlad the roms of your game collection.

Many people believe this, but that's not true. It's illegal to distribute commercial ROMs in the first place (unless you have rights to do so). The only legal way to own a commercial ROM is if you buy the game and dump it yourself.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

I don't think enough people care about emulation on this forum.

Of course, i'd love to play some people on 3rd Strike or something over 2df.

Woah...what? What is this 2df? ~SML]

heh · 07-29-2008, 08:53 AM

Home - 2DF FreePlay

SephirothKirby · 07-29-2008, 09:03 AM

I think every other person has a different "fact" on how legal ROMs are.

And in the end, no one gives a ****.

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[Hm. It seems this 2DF thing is legit. ~SML]

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 07-29-2008, 01:42 PM

Being sued is hetrosexual. That's a fact.

***Ace Mercury*** · 07-29-2008, 07:09 PM

Bee tee dubs, the twenty-four hour rule is not a "real" rule, as in it's not written anywhere in any laws or regulations. Someone said it and it stuck, like using ten percent of our brain, or that Arnold should be governor.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 07-29-2008, 07:26 PM

We don't use only about 10% of our brains? Oh, and I don't know about Arnold but he can't be worse than Springer. I heard he was a Mayor and the world's still spinning.

heh · 07-29-2008, 08:00 PM

while you guys argue me and SML are gonna fight each other a bunch

***Ace Mercury*** · 07-29-2008, 08:36 PM

You mean "I and SML".

07-27-2008, 08:07 PM	#1
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,401 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	Emulation Forum -- NOT ROMs. A forum to talk about emulation in general, not about actual ROMs. Like, for instance, how an emulator project is going.

07-29-2008, 09:03 AM	#15
SephirothKirby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Those who criticize our generation forget who raised it. Gender: Posts: 7,213 Thanks: 373 Thanked 760 Times in 447 Posts	I think every other person has a different "fact" on how legal ROMs are. And in the end, no one gives a **. ------ [Hm. It seems this 2DF thing is legit. ~SML]** Last edited by Swordmaster Link; 07-29-2008 at 01:28 PM.

07-29-2008, 08:36 PM	#20
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,275 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Grammar Allied Forces You mean "I and SML".

07-27-2008, 08:08 PM	#2
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	I don't think enough people care about emulation on this forum. Of course, i'd love to play some people on 3rd Strike or something over 2df.

07-28-2008, 04:59 AM	#3
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 6,038 Thanks: 67 Thanked 36 Times in 29 Posts	I think it's a good idea. say, would "ROM hacking" discussion be allowed on the supposed emulation forum? because they are technicly emulation projects.

07-28-2008, 05:39 AM	#4
Kargath et in Arcadia ego Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 8,334 Thanks: 1,226 Thanked 780 Times in 488 Posts	... you fail at Legal 101.

07-28-2008, 09:48 AM	#5
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,401 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	Me? No. Emulators are perfectly legal as long as you don't use them to play commercial games.

07-28-2008, 04:17 PM	#6
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	This would just cause a glut of locked "OMG ROMS" topics. Probably wouldn't work.

07-28-2008, 04:26 PM	#7
Jesus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Gender: Posts: 5,617 Thanks: 104 Thanked 139 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 3	I thought it was legal as long as you bought an actual copy of the game and dumped it onto your computer yourself.

07-28-2008, 06:06 PM	#8
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Who DOESN'T love emulation? The only thing I hate about it is I can't find what I need. Which is gay.

07-28-2008, 09:12 PM	#10
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,275 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Nintendo thinks that's wrong. The right thing would be to buy the same game over and over again, until all your money is theirs.

07-29-2008, 06:25 AM	#12
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 6,038 Thanks: 67 Thanked 36 Times in 29 Posts	actually it is legal if you already own the game. like say you owned a physical copy of Chrono Trigger for the SNES, it would be perfectly legal to download the ROM of Chrono Trigger. however if you were to download that same ROM file, but did not pay for the actual game then it would be illegal to own the ROM for more than 24 hours. so as long as you own a physical copy of a game then it would be okay to downlad the roms of your game collection. I however do have certain restrictions that I have placed on myself as far as emulation goes. 1. I only have emulators of defunct systems that they don't make games for anymore (NES, SNES, Genesis, master system, gb/gba, N64, etc.) 2. I only download ROM files of games I own permanently, for games I don't own I download a ROM for a 24hour time period and play through it to see if it warrents buying for my systems and if it does then I'll go out and buy it at a retro gaming store that still sells those kinds of games. and don't get me wrong it's convenient to have the roms on your comp but nothing beats the experience of playing the game on the actual console, and I still play my old systems alot, and they are still working in perfect condition (except the NES, it still needs regular cleaning sessions to keep it running smoothly) 3.ROM hacks, like total conversions to create a new gaming experience or level edits or text edits are legal as long as the original credits and copyrights are still in-tact. it is not legal, however, to completely remove any evidence of the original staff and copyrights. for example, when you boot up a super metroid rom with a hack patched to it and it says "nintendo @1993" as well as "rom hack made by soandso @ 2004" then it is perfectly legal. and I refuse to download any romhack that does not credit the original creators. (I know kargath will argue with me on that last point but I honestly don't care, I asked my town's judge and three different lawyers (my lawyer, my dad's lawyer and my friend's lawyer) about that and fanworks and they all said that as long as it was non-profit and as long as credit was givin to the original creators then there was not a problem with plagerism/copyright infringement unless the creator himself gave a cease and desist order)

07-29-2008, 08:53 AM	#14
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	Home - 2DF FreePlay

07-29-2008, 01:42 PM	#16
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Being sued is hetrosexual. That's a fact.

07-29-2008, 07:09 PM	#17
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,275 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Bee tee dubs, the twenty-four hour rule is not a "real" rule, as in it's not written anywhere in any laws or regulations. Someone said it and it stuck, like using ten percent of our brain, or that Arnold should be governor.

07-29-2008, 07:26 PM	#18
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	We don't use only about 10% of our brains? Oh, and I don't know about Arnold but he can't be worse than Springer. I heard he was a Mayor and the world's still spinning.

07-29-2008, 08:00 PM	#19
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	while you guys argue me and SML are gonna fight each other a bunch