Help with Warcraft 3. - VGF

**Crazyswordsman** · 05-12-2007, 10:39 AM

I give up. I've tried everything. I've tried the usual, stay in your base until you have every upgrade and a mass army, and I die easily. I try bringing my hero into the enemy base early on to harass, and I die easily. I spend time levelling my hero up, and I die easily. I learn all the hotkeys and run very quickly and only get the upgrades I use and get them fast and train troops really fast and I still die easily.

How the hell am I supposed to win the game as an orc? And how am I supposed to fend off an assault? -CSM

Valigarmander · 05-12-2007, 10:42 AM

Cheat. Build lots of towers. Build backup buildings in case your originals are destroyed. Send your troops on raids, in two or three parties each. Have them round up mercenary camps, gold mines, and possible sites for harvesting lumber, as well as crushing any enemy encampments. Then, lead a final, incredible assault against the enemy base. Keep manufacturing new units and sending them straight into the fray. Have your heros use their most powerful spells. Then, u win.

It's all very easy once you cheat.

That is, if you're playing against an AI opponent. If you're fighting a real person, then cheating is immoral.

**Crazyswordsman** · 05-12-2007, 12:30 PM

^I'm not a cheater. -CSM

Valigarmander · 05-12-2007, 03:16 PM

Oh. Then... uh...

You're screwed.

JackSLO · 05-17-2007, 08:28 AM

ummm....do you have an account on Bnet?

Sarai and Samiel · 06-01-2007, 11:32 AM

WC3 is super-micromanagement-heavy. What I've always found best is to focus on units that use the same set of upgrades- one set once, then a second set. Make sure they complement each other, and then use just those two types. While you suffer more losses from lack of variety, the micromanaging is much more possible then.

Oh, and while orcs have great melee units, you really want to not use the more expensive melee units until you've already cut your way into the enemy base. Otherwise you just sort of lose to aerial units or terrain advantage.

Swordmaster Link · 06-01-2007, 12:08 PM

I share your frustration CSM. My inability to micro-manage renders me useless in this game.

(Not to mention I'm still trying to beat the last mission on the Undead Frozen Throne campaign...)

***Ace Mercury*** · 06-01-2007, 01:56 PM

I have a Rambo-style management system. I won at Starcraft when I made siege tanks until the other base fell down. I find rainbow strategies don't really work well, especially early in the game.

Swordmaster Link · 06-01-2007, 10:02 PM

I will beat this mission if it's the last thing I do.

**Wyborn** · 06-01-2007, 10:21 PM

Best tip I can give you is to play Undead.

Swordmaster Link · 06-03-2007, 01:41 AM

Still can't beat the damn mission...

***Ace Mercury*** · 06-03-2007, 02:01 AM

Have you tried making Grunts?

Swordmaster Link · 06-03-2007, 02:16 AM

Good strategy, Ace. Now I know why it's so easy to outwit you.

***Ace Mercury*** · 06-03-2007, 01:14 PM

I'm just making sure that you're making more than just peons. I realize you start out with Great Hall, so maybe you were just pressing the "make peon" button until you ran out of gold.

Swordmaster Link · 06-03-2007, 06:07 PM

Finally! I beat it!

Valigarmander · 06-03-2007, 06:59 PM

ZERG RUSH!!!

RenegadeAngel · 06-08-2007, 05:02 PM

I found the best way to win at any level is to just build a load of total random guard towers near the entrances to your base and every so often, send out a little band with your hero toward the enemy base. If they die it doesn't matter...

Meanwhile build up a hyper (God I love that word!) mega strike force and seperate into tank type things, ranged attacks, magic and physical. Then move them all, plus hero near back, in to the enemy base and get the siege weapons to attack first. Hold back until they have either killed everything or have been destroyed.

Then bring a full force of physical attacks and have the ranges fire as the are charging in. Whilst you do this, move in the magics to give you a timed advantage.

By this time your enemy should be feeling the hurt. If you have to, build a mixed group of all troops as a back-up that can move in in an emergency.

I've swore by this technique and it works most times.

Remember, upgrade and a strong hero is the key to victory!

05-12-2007, 10:39 AM	#1
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,918 Thanks: 530 Thanked 358 Times in 246 Posts Points: 119,791.17 Bank: 22,337.38 Total Points: 142,128.55 Donate	Help with Warcraft 3. I give up. I've tried everything. I've tried the usual, stay in your base until you have every upgrade and a mass army, and I die easily. I try bringing my hero into the enemy base early on to harass, and I die easily. I spend time levelling my hero up, and I die easily. I learn all the hotkeys and run very quickly and only get the upgrades I use and get them fast and train troops really fast and I still die easily. How the hell am I supposed to win the game as an orc? And how am I supposed to fend off an assault? -CSM

06-01-2007, 11:32 AM	#6
Sarai and Samiel Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aisle 12, between the kumquats and the radicchio. Gender: Posts: 2,261 Thanks: 148 Thanked 124 Times in 86 Posts Points: 918.87 Bank: 46,946.46 Total Points: 47,865.33 Donate	See, here's the thing... WC3 is super-micromanagement-heavy. What I've always found best is to focus on units that use the same set of upgrades- one set once, then a second set. Make sure they complement each other, and then use just those two types. While you suffer more losses from lack of variety, the micromanaging is much more possible then. Oh, and while orcs have great melee units, you really want to not use the more expensive melee units until you've already cut your way into the enemy base. Otherwise you just sort of lose to aerial units or terrain advantage.

06-03-2007, 01:14 PM	#14
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 18,867 Thanks: 356 Thanked 1,469 Times in 769 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 94,617.87 Bank: 10,210,130.19 Total Points: 10,304,748.06 Donate	Protip: You can also make more buildings. I'm just making sure that you're making more than just peons. I realize you start out with Great Hall, so maybe you were just pressing the "make peon" button until you ran out of gold.

05-12-2007, 10:42 AM	#2
Valigarmander RADDA RADDA RADDA! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Radda, radda. Gender: Posts: 12,439 Thanks: 694 Thanked 1,071 Times in 570 Posts Points: 104.95 Bank: 128,219.39 Total Points: 128,324.34 Donate	Cheat. Build lots of towers. Build backup buildings in case your originals are destroyed. Send your troops on raids, in two or three parties each. Have them round up mercenary camps, gold mines, and possible sites for harvesting lumber, as well as crushing any enemy encampments. Then, lead a final, incredible assault against the enemy base. Keep manufacturing new units and sending them straight into the fray. Have your heros use their most powerful spells. Then, u win. It's all very easy once you cheat. That is, if you're playing against an AI opponent. If you're fighting a real person, then cheating is immoral.

05-12-2007, 12:30 PM	#3
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 7,918 Thanks: 530 Thanked 358 Times in 246 Posts Points: 119,791.17 Bank: 22,337.38 Total Points: 142,128.55 Donate	^I'm not a cheater. -CSM

05-12-2007, 03:16 PM	#4
Valigarmander RADDA RADDA RADDA! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Radda, radda. Gender: Posts: 12,439 Thanks: 694 Thanked 1,071 Times in 570 Posts Points: 104.95 Bank: 128,219.39 Total Points: 128,324.34 Donate	Oh. Then... uh... You're screwed.

05-17-2007, 08:28 AM	#5
JackSLO Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Gender: Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 327.11 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 327.11 Donate	ummm....do you have an account on Bnet?

06-01-2007, 12:08 PM	#7
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 29,488 Thanks: 211 Thanked 504 Times in 347 Posts Points: 436.64 Bank: 1,050,203.33 Total Points: 1,050,639.97 Donate	I share your frustration CSM. My inability to micro-manage renders me useless in this game. (Not to mention I'm still trying to beat the last mission on the Undead Frozen Throne campaign...)

06-01-2007, 01:56 PM	#8
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 18,867 Thanks: 356 Thanked 1,469 Times in 769 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 94,617.87 Bank: 10,210,130.19 Total Points: 10,304,748.06 Donate	I have a Rambo-style management system. I won at Starcraft when I made siege tanks until the other base fell down. I find rainbow strategies don't really work well, especially early in the game.

06-01-2007, 10:02 PM	#9
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 29,488 Thanks: 211 Thanked 504 Times in 347 Posts Points: 436.64 Bank: 1,050,203.33 Total Points: 1,050,639.97 Donate	I will beat this mission if it's the last thing I do.

06-01-2007, 10:21 PM	#10
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,325 Thanks: 85 Thanked 439 Times in 270 Posts Points: 13,447.55 Bank: 67,396.13 Total Points: 80,843.68 Donate	Best tip I can give you is to play Undead.

06-03-2007, 01:41 AM	#11
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 29,488 Thanks: 211 Thanked 504 Times in 347 Posts Points: 436.64 Bank: 1,050,203.33 Total Points: 1,050,639.97 Donate	Still can't beat the damn mission...

06-03-2007, 02:01 AM	#12
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 18,867 Thanks: 356 Thanked 1,469 Times in 769 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 94,617.87 Bank: 10,210,130.19 Total Points: 10,304,748.06 Donate	Have you tried making Grunts?

06-03-2007, 02:16 AM	#13
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 29,488 Thanks: 211 Thanked 504 Times in 347 Posts Points: 436.64 Bank: 1,050,203.33 Total Points: 1,050,639.97 Donate	Good strategy, Ace. Now I know why it's so easy to outwit you.

06-03-2007, 06:07 PM	#15
Swordmaster Link Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 29,488 Thanks: 211 Thanked 504 Times in 347 Posts Points: 436.64 Bank: 1,050,203.33 Total Points: 1,050,639.97 Donate	Finally! I beat it!

06-03-2007, 06:59 PM	#16
Valigarmander RADDA RADDA RADDA! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Radda, radda. Gender: Posts: 12,439 Thanks: 694 Thanked 1,071 Times in 570 Posts Points: 104.95 Bank: 128,219.39 Total Points: 128,324.34 Donate	ZERG RUSH!!!

06-08-2007, 05:02 PM	#17
RenegadeAngel Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Yoshi's Island (The Hidden one in Hyrule) Gender: Posts: 45 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,402.44 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 1,402.44 Donate	I found the best way to win at any level is to just build a load of total random guard towers near the entrances to your base and every so often, send out a little band with your hero toward the enemy base. If they die it doesn't matter... Meanwhile build up a hyper (God I love that word!) mega strike force and seperate into tank type things, ranged attacks, magic and physical. Then move them all, plus hero near back, in to the enemy base and get the siege weapons to attack first. Hold back until they have either killed everything or have been destroyed. Then bring a full force of physical attacks and have the ranges fire as the are charging in. Whilst you do this, move in the magics to give you a timed advantage. By this time your enemy should be feeling the hurt. If you have to, build a mixed group of all troops as a back-up that can move in in an emergency. I've swore by this technique and it works most times. Remember, upgrade and a strong hero is the key to victory!