America's Army - VGF

**Prince Toad** · 12-14-2005, 11:32 PM

Anyone played it? Is it any good? For sheer lack of new things to do, I might try it out, massive propaganda project that it is.

Shaman king from the limo · 12-15-2005, 04:19 PM

Never heard of it otherwise I'd let you know. sorry man

d · 12-16-2005, 11:24 PM

I should have seen this earlier. This is definitely one of THE BEST FPS's out there. It is by far the most realistic FPS I've ever played and no other game has ever gotten my adrenaline pumping like this game has. The effect goes down as you play it more often so you may want to give it a rest every few months for a month or so, but if you play it you'll get hooked. The only people who don't like it are people who don't play FPS's and the ****ing cowards who can't stand a little realism. You know, the people who think you have to be able to take two or three clips from again instead of just two or three bullets in the right place. Or one for that matter.

This is quite possibly the most addicting game i have ever played. A definitely must play. Check it out at www.americasarmy.com

Chunky Kong12345 · 12-17-2005, 12:27 AM

Unfortunately, I have a virus that prevents Punkbuster from letting me play, so...bleh.

Nick · 12-17-2005, 01:39 AM

I have serious qualms about playing anything developed by the US Army to use as a recruiting tool.

Ghost Recon 1 and 2 are still better titles.

d · 12-17-2005, 12:42 PM

Now, now Tyrant, you can't say that GR 1 and 2 are better tiles if you haven't even played AA. I've only played the first Ghost Recon and didn't like it much. I didn't play through the entire thing so I guess it doesn't quite count either, but I atleast played it. AA is a hell of a lot funner then my time on Ghost Recon 1. Don't worry about it being a recruitment tool either, is it? Yes, but so what? That means it has more money, realism, and research to go by.

**Prince Toad** · 12-17-2005, 02:41 PM

Well, I completed all the training missions (even the boring Medic ones and the... horribly annoying SF ones), and played online a bit. It's a lot of fun. I'll just try to ignore/subtly be influenced by the propaganda bits. I don't intend to join the Army anyway, I don't think this will particularly affect that.

Nick · 12-17-2005, 04:48 PM

Please. Ghost Recon I/II are better titles. AA = waste of taxpayer dollars. This doesn't even get into the questionable nature of the program's intent, and for some reason I'm not buying the "we only know who you are if you check the box allowing us to" bit.

As for realism, it isn't. It doesn't show the actual horror of the modern battlefield. If it were as simple as "a puff of red" when you got hit in real life, we wouldn't have people coming back missing limbs.

As for a recruiting tool, they're idiotic in the sense that they're pushing the specs too high. Keeping it lower allows more people to play it and want to join the Army to "PWN N00Bz." Maybe they'll frag each other over who's going to be the sniper like they do in every other FPS.

d · 12-17-2005, 10:00 PM

Excuse me Tyrant, I'm talking about the realistic GAMEPLAY. Jesus, if you showed the real horror the game would never become available. GET OVER THAT! Honestly, your just nit picking at a game you've never played, or atleast you have yet to say you've tried it. The gameplay realism is what matters.

As for the "we only know you if you check this box allowing us to" doesn't matter. They don't contact you or anything if you don't. It'd be just a waste of time. If that really does bother you, you need some psychological help, because you are extremely paranoid.

Nick · 12-18-2005, 03:21 AM

Gameplay realism = not a poof of "red smoke" when you get shot. That's about as realistic as old westerns that show no blood and people just fall. If you're going to make a war shooter, make it right. Oh wait, they needed to tone it down to get it past the ESRB so they can distribute it to kids. Yeah, if you want to actually give creedence to the term "murder simulation," this is it. This goes beyond an escapist submersion that you get in every other title and crosses into something that borders on the lines of low-level reprogramming/brainwashing (depending on your terminology).

When it comes out that the government is spying on regular citizens (like it did last week), I don't think I'm paranoid in the least.

[ December 18, 2005, 02:26 AM: Message edited by: The Great Tyrant ]

**Prince Toad** · 12-18-2005, 05:15 PM

The gameplay is realistic except the fact that there's no blood and gore. I imagine-- in fact, the manual or something even said-- that that is to sorta "clean up" war for potential recruits. I know damn well that getting shot doesn't result in a puff of red smoke. But getting limbs and **** blown off in a bloody explosion, round after round, would be kind of unnecessary, and deter rather than encourage people from, you know, the point of the game (joining the Army). However... probably the smarter people out there will realize that it's not as sanitized as the game makes it out to be, and therefore at least think twice about joining the Army. I mean, if they do it out of patriotism, or just to get a paying job, that's one thing, but anyone who joins the Army for "fun" probably deserves whatever they get.

Besides, I'm sure that the government could find me if they really wanted to whether I signed up for this or not.

[ December 18, 2005, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: Prince Toad ]

d · 12-19-2005, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by The Great Tyrant:
Yeah, if you want to actually give creedence to the term "murder simulation," this is it. This goes beyond an escapist submersion that you get in every other title and crosses into something that borders on the lines of low-level reprogramming/brainwashing (depending on your terminology).

How could you call that a murder simulation out of all that? AND with all the other games out there? Also, where the hell did brainwashing come from? As Prince Toad said, you'd have to be a complete idiot to join the Army because of a freaking game. Honestly, if brainwashing was that easy, do you think that you'd still have control of yourself now?

**Prince Toad** · 12-19-2005, 02:41 AM

Heh, after playing a bit more, I realized that-- to me at least-- this is a freaking deterrent to joining the Army. I haven't tried the "missions" yet (waiting for a friend to finish the training stuff so we can do them together), but the multiplayer involves a lot of me dying and not too much of me killing people. Seriously, I tend to get shot, in the head, instantly for peeking around a corner without throwing a smoke bomb first, and that doesn't exactly appeal to me in the game (I have to sit there for a couple minutes) or in real life (I'd... be dead). Although, I'm not saying I dislike that or that people should be able to take more shots, the realism is good. Heh, it could be worse-- they could have made it like Bond games and pretended that people can take six shots to anywhere but the head and live through it. But... they didn't.

I think I had a point. It's kind of late. I don't know. Basically, the game is realistic (in terms of how many shots you can take) to the point where it deters me from wanting to go into real combat, but I like that part of it in terms of the gameplay.

d · 12-19-2005, 09:51 PM

I understand what you mean Prince Toad and that deters a lot of people from continuing to play the game too. There's only one solution to that though, experience. As you play it more you learn more about what to do and you began to survive longer. Eventually you get to the point where your the guy who's getting those headshots on people peeking around corners or the dude who goes through three people in a few seconds while only getting shot once or twice and those being grazing shots. I'm one of those people, I've gone through 3 rounds on an 16 person server and gotten 24 kills, yes, I killed every single person on the other team for 3 rounds. Of course, I doubt I can ever dupilicate that sense that was a night where I was more angry than I've ever been in my entire life, it put me deeper in the zone than I've ever been.

Anyway, some tips, learn how to aim. If this means doing the target shooting continuously do it, or have a bud run around while you try to pick him off at different ranges. Once you've learned how to shoot, and I mean really shoot; to the point where 90+% of your shots are hitting their target, ALWAYS fire on single shot. Unless you have full auto. There are instances where you should have burst on, but for the time being you'll want single shot all the time, when you get more experienced you'll learn to recognize when to use burst. I can't tell you when, that depends on you and your shooting, along with your perception of the situation. If anyone wants to play some America's Army with me and my buddy/buddies PM me, get a microphone and download teamspeak.

**Prince Toad** · 12-19-2005, 09:58 PM

I do have a mic and TS, coincidentally.

It's not so much that I can't hit people. If I see them, they're usually dead, I'm not a bad shot. It's more that I almost never actually see anybody to shoot, and I appear to be seen quite a lot. It's not like I'm running around out of cover all the time, either. It's like they just know I'm there. Plus I suck with grenades.

d · 12-20-2005, 12:48 PM

Grenades I can't help you with much. I usually just end up using them for distractions rather than actually trying to kill or harm someone. I almost never use smokes or flash bangs. Also, unless you have someone covering you AND the enemy knows where you are, don't use a smoke to cover the objective your securing it just tells everyone where you are.

Your other problem can only be fixed with experience on a map. You just have to keep playing it until you learn it like the back of your hand until you began to know what routes people usually take. Just time and experience can fix that. Once you get better at it on a map or two you'll end up being able to do it faster on other maps, but it'll still take time. Also, trust me on this, once you become a veteran certain maps, the most dangerous person is not another veteran, but a crazy newb that tries anything.

My clan/gaming community have a TS that weuse for gaming, so if you or anyone else wants to you can join us on there. For the now there are only two or three of us that play AA and we don't play it as often as we used to because of other games.

**Prince Toad** · 12-24-2005, 07:37 PM

I take back anything I might have said about being a good shot.

d · 12-27-2005, 02:26 AM

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Nice Toad, very nice. It just takes time and practice. You'll get used to it. A hint, while looking through the zoom of any weapon, your most accurate at the immediate end of an inhale and exhale. Also, learn to adjust agains the recoil of the gun. That's why its so important to use single shot, less recoil and you can fire almost as fast as burst and full auto, if you can click fast enough. I can, I love doing that.

12-14-2005, 11:32 PM	#1
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,222.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,527.25 Donate	Anyone played it? Is it any good? For sheer lack of new things to do, I might try it out, massive propaganda project that it is.

12-15-2005, 04:19 PM	#2
Shaman king from the limo Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: where am i again? Posts: 103 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,504.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,004.00 Donate	Never heard of it otherwise I'd let you know. sorry man

12-16-2005, 11:24 PM	#3
d Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Terra Haute,Indiana Posts: 687 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,366.42 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,866.42 Donate	I should have seen this earlier. This is definitely one of THE BEST FPS's out there. It is by far the most realistic FPS I've ever played and no other game has ever gotten my adrenaline pumping like this game has. The effect goes down as you play it more often so you may want to give it a rest every few months for a month or so, but if you play it you'll get hooked. The only people who don't like it are people who don't play FPS's and the ****ing cowards who can't stand a little realism. You know, the people who think you have to be able to take two or three clips from again instead of just two or three bullets in the right place. Or one for that matter. This is quite possibly the most addicting game i have ever played. A definitely must play. Check it out at www.americasarmy.com

12-17-2005, 12:27 AM	#4
Chunky Kong12345 BEEP BEEP I'M A JEEP Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ogmftwbqq Gender: Posts: 16,412 Thanks: 61 Thanked 210 Times in 153 Posts Points: 2,321.12 Bank: 80,535.77 Total Points: 82,856.89 Donate	Unfortunately, I have a virus that prevents Punkbuster from letting me play, so...bleh.

12-17-2005, 01:39 AM	#5
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,313.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,813.00 Donate	I have serious qualms about playing anything developed by the US Army to use as a recruiting tool. Ghost Recon 1 and 2 are still better titles.

12-17-2005, 12:42 PM	#6
d Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Terra Haute,Indiana Posts: 687 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,366.42 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,866.42 Donate	Now, now Tyrant, you can't say that GR 1 and 2 are better tiles if you haven't even played AA. I've only played the first Ghost Recon and didn't like it much. I didn't play through the entire thing so I guess it doesn't quite count either, but I atleast played it. AA is a hell of a lot funner then my time on Ghost Recon 1. Don't worry about it being a recruitment tool either, is it? Yes, but so what? That means it has more money, realism, and research to go by.

12-17-2005, 02:41 PM	#7
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,222.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,527.25 Donate	Well, I completed all the training missions (even the boring Medic ones and the... horribly annoying SF ones), and played online a bit. It's a lot of fun. I'll just try to ignore/subtly be influenced by the propaganda bits. I don't intend to join the Army anyway, I don't think this will particularly affect that.

12-17-2005, 04:48 PM	#8
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,313.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,813.00 Donate	Please. Ghost Recon I/II are better titles. AA = waste of taxpayer dollars. This doesn't even get into the questionable nature of the program's intent, and for some reason I'm not buying the "we only know who you are if you check the box allowing us to" bit. As for realism, it isn't. It doesn't show the actual horror of the modern battlefield. If it were as simple as "a puff of red" when you got hit in real life, we wouldn't have people coming back missing limbs. As for a recruiting tool, they're idiotic in the sense that they're pushing the specs too high. Keeping it lower allows more people to play it and want to join the Army to "PWN N00Bz." Maybe they'll frag each other over who's going to be the sniper like they do in every other FPS.

12-17-2005, 10:00 PM	#9
d Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Terra Haute,Indiana Posts: 687 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,366.42 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,866.42 Donate	Excuse me Tyrant, I'm talking about the realistic GAMEPLAY. Jesus, if you showed the real horror the game would never become available. GET OVER THAT! Honestly, your just nit picking at a game you've never played, or atleast you have yet to say you've tried it. The gameplay realism is what matters. As for the "we only know you if you check this box allowing us to" doesn't matter. They don't contact you or anything if you don't. It'd be just a waste of time. If that really does bother you, you need some psychological help, because you are extremely paranoid.

12-18-2005, 03:21 AM	#10
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,313.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,813.00 Donate	Gameplay realism = not a poof of "red smoke" when you get shot. That's about as realistic as old westerns that show no blood and people just fall. If you're going to make a war shooter, make it right. Oh wait, they needed to tone it down to get it past the ESRB so they can distribute it to kids. Yeah, if you want to actually give creedence to the term "murder simulation," this is it. This goes beyond an escapist submersion that you get in every other title and crosses into something that borders on the lines of low-level reprogramming/brainwashing (depending on your terminology). When it comes out that the government is spying on regular citizens (like it did last week), I don't think I'm paranoid in the least. [ December 18, 2005, 02:26 AM: Message edited by: The Great Tyrant ]

12-18-2005, 05:15 PM	#11
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,222.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,527.25 Donate	The gameplay is realistic except the fact that there's no blood and gore. I imagine-- in fact, the manual or something even said-- that that is to sorta "clean up" war for potential recruits. I know damn well that getting shot doesn't result in a puff of red smoke. But getting limbs and **** blown off in a bloody explosion, round after round, would be kind of unnecessary, and deter rather than encourage people from, you know, the point of the game (joining the Army). However... probably the smarter people out there will realize that it's not as sanitized as the game makes it out to be, and therefore at least think twice about joining the Army. I mean, if they do it out of patriotism, or just to get a paying job, that's one thing, but anyone who joins the Army for "fun" probably deserves whatever they get. Besides, I'm sure that the government could find me if they really wanted to whether I signed up for this or not. [ December 18, 2005, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: Prince Toad ]

12-19-2005, 02:41 AM	#13
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,222.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,527.25 Donate	Heh, after playing a bit more, I realized that-- to me at least-- this is a freaking deterrent to joining the Army. I haven't tried the "missions" yet (waiting for a friend to finish the training stuff so we can do them together), but the multiplayer involves a lot of me dying and not too much of me killing people. Seriously, I tend to get shot, in the head, instantly for peeking around a corner without throwing a smoke bomb first, and that doesn't exactly appeal to me in the game (I have to sit there for a couple minutes) or in real life (I'd... be dead). Although, I'm not saying I dislike that or that people should be able to take more shots, the realism is good. Heh, it could be worse-- they could have made it like Bond games and pretended that people can take six shots to anywhere but the head and live through it. But... they didn't. I think I had a point. It's kind of late. I don't know. Basically, the game is realistic (in terms of how many shots you can take) to the point where it deters me from wanting to go into real combat, but I like that part of it in terms of the gameplay.

12-19-2005, 09:51 PM	#14
d Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Terra Haute,Indiana Posts: 687 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,366.42 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,866.42 Donate	I understand what you mean Prince Toad and that deters a lot of people from continuing to play the game too. There's only one solution to that though, experience. As you play it more you learn more about what to do and you began to survive longer. Eventually you get to the point where your the guy who's getting those headshots on people peeking around corners or the dude who goes through three people in a few seconds while only getting shot once or twice and those being grazing shots. I'm one of those people, I've gone through 3 rounds on an 16 person server and gotten 24 kills, yes, I killed every single person on the other team for 3 rounds. Of course, I doubt I can ever dupilicate that sense that was a night where I was more angry than I've ever been in my entire life, it put me deeper in the zone than I've ever been. Anyway, some tips, learn how to aim. If this means doing the target shooting continuously do it, or have a bud run around while you try to pick him off at different ranges. Once you've learned how to shoot, and I mean really shoot; to the point where 90+% of your shots are hitting their target, ALWAYS fire on single shot. Unless you have full auto. There are instances where you should have burst on, but for the time being you'll want single shot all the time, when you get more experienced you'll learn to recognize when to use burst. I can't tell you when, that depends on you and your shooting, along with your perception of the situation. If anyone wants to play some America's Army with me and my buddy/buddies PM me, get a microphone and download teamspeak.

12-19-2005, 09:58 PM	#15
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,222.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,527.25 Donate	I do have a mic and TS, coincidentally. It's not so much that I can't hit people. If I see them, they're usually dead, I'm not a bad shot. It's more that I almost never actually see anybody to shoot, and I appear to be seen quite a lot. It's not like I'm running around out of cover all the time, either. It's like they just know I'm there. Plus I suck with grenades.

12-20-2005, 12:48 PM	#16
d Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Terra Haute,Indiana Posts: 687 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,366.42 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,866.42 Donate	Grenades I can't help you with much. I usually just end up using them for distractions rather than actually trying to kill or harm someone. I almost never use smokes or flash bangs. Also, unless you have someone covering you AND the enemy knows where you are, don't use a smoke to cover the objective your securing it just tells everyone where you are. Your other problem can only be fixed with experience on a map. You just have to keep playing it until you learn it like the back of your hand until you began to know what routes people usually take. Just time and experience can fix that. Once you get better at it on a map or two you'll end up being able to do it faster on other maps, but it'll still take time. Also, trust me on this, once you become a veteran certain maps, the most dangerous person is not another veteran, but a crazy newb that tries anything. My clan/gaming community have a TS that weuse for gaming, so if you or anyone else wants to you can join us on there. For the now there are only two or three of us that play AA and we don't play it as often as we used to because of other games.

12-24-2005, 07:37 PM	#17
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,222.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,527.25 Donate	I take back anything I might have said about being a good shot.

12-27-2005, 02:26 AM	#18
d Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Terra Haute,Indiana Posts: 687 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 3,366.42 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,866.42 Donate	[img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img] Nice Toad, very nice. It just takes time and practice. You'll get used to it. A hint, while looking through the zoom of any weapon, your most accurate at the immediate end of an inhale and exhale. Also, learn to adjust agains the recoil of the gun. That's why its so important to use single shot, less recoil and you can fire almost as fast as burst and full auto, if you can click fast enough. I can, I love doing that.