Is the original R/B/Y/G/S/C now non-canon?

Dark Seraphim · 03-16-2010, 06:44 PM

I am just curious if the story and games as they were told in the original Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Crystal are now considered non-canon with Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald/Diamond/Pearl/Platinum since the re-releases of LeafGreen/FireRed/HeartGold/SoulSilver. I mean the new LG/FR/HG/SS are basically a retelling of the same story, but brought up to date with the new generations and tactics that were not shown in their original releases. So the question is, since the stories have now been retold, does this mean that the original games are now non-canon with the newer games, and the new releases are considered what really happened according to Nintendo?

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 03-16-2010, 06:47 PM

I think ever since Fire and Leaf, R/B/Y have been non-canon or alternate canon. Same with what they're now doing, I believe.

Dark Seraphim · 03-16-2010, 06:54 PM

So would you say the original Generation I and II games have been retconned from the official timeline? Or is LeafGreen/FireRed/HeartGold/SoulSilver now their own canon seperate from the other games? Although that doesn't seem to make sense, since Ruby/Sappire/Diamond/Pearl/Platinum are all compatible with each other and LG/FR/HG/SS.

Jailbreaker · 03-16-2010, 07:05 PM

THERE'S A TIME LINE IN POKEMON!?

Why wasn't I told?

Dark Seraphim · 03-16-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainbreaker

THERE'S A TIME LINE IN POKEMON!?

Why wasn't I told?

I think it was more obvious between the original Generation I and Generation II games, especially when you could travel back between Jhoto and Kanto, its referenced Team Rocket was stopped 3 years ago (in Red/Blue/Yellow), and other links to the past.

Beyond that though, its hard to really put Ruby/Sapphire or Diamon/Pearl in any timeline, they could pretty much stand alone I suppose, with their distance from the other regions.

***Ace Mercury*** · 03-16-2010, 07:15 PM

I think whatever in the anime is what's canon.

Robotazy · 03-16-2010, 07:15 PM

The remakes were more like a remake of the original game. Unless these games change something stated in the original game, the original games are still canon while the remakes are more like alternate canon unless proof is made otherwise.

Rainbow Dash · 03-16-2010, 10:04 PM

it's just an update with added features

**LASER BEAR ASSAULT UNIT** · 03-17-2010, 02:00 AM

people pay attention to pokemons canon?

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 03-17-2010, 02:02 AM

I tried.

***Ace Mercury*** · 03-17-2010, 07:52 AM

^^ Don't knock the fans. There's fans for everything, and there's some thing that you go squee over. If you don't, you lead a life without passion.

**Valigarmander** · 03-17-2010, 01:14 PM

There's a Pokemon canon?

Dark Seraphim · 03-17-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Valigarmander

There's a Pokemon canon?

Pokémon Cannon!

Random User · 03-18-2010, 09:46 PM

I`d say that their both canon, because all that`s really added to the HG/SS remakes were different designs for places and new moves, Pokemon, and items. This means it does not matter if G/S/C is canon or not, HG/SS is the same thing with added (irrelevant to original story) stuff.

**X-3** · 03-23-2010, 02:46 PM

It's clear as day that the world of Pokemon is in a Time Loop of sorts.

R/B/Y->G/S/C->R/S/E->D/P/P->EoP->TIMELOOP->FR/LG, because of some changes caused by people having deja vu, or because of other causes->HG/SS

CodenameV · 03-26-2010, 01:19 AM

I might be mistaken; but aren't HG/SS and FR/LG returns to the regions set in the current timeline? Like, a new trainer comes from the old regions and goes on the age-old quest to catch 'em all? So, basically, HG/SS takes place at the same time or after D/P, and FR/LG takes place during R/S/E. That's my theory at least.

Dark Seraphim · 03-26-2010, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CodenameV

I might be mistaken; but aren't HG/SS and FR/LG returns to the regions set in the current timeline? Like, a new trainer comes from the old regions and goes on the age-old quest to catch 'em all? So, basically, HG/SS takes place at the same time or after D/P, and FR/LG takes place during R/S/E. That's my theory at least.

But then you'd be agreeing that they retconned the original games, and that the new HG/SS/FR/LG are the new canon, since you're accomplish the same plotlines as the original games, beating Team Rocket and then again 3 years later.

Robotazy · 03-26-2010, 01:52 AM

Actually, if it's the exact same plot, there isn't much of a reason to wonder which one is canon since it's the same game.

It's like wondering if Metroid Zero Mission makes the original non-canon. They're both so similar that one can not knock the other out of continuity, mostly because they're the same story.

***CaptHayfever*** · 03-26-2010, 02:08 PM

^But Zero Mission is a prequel to Metroid. I prooves it with grepher lojik.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

***The Doctor*** · 03-26-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by X-3

R/B/Y->G/S/C->R/S/E->D/P/P->EoP->TIMELOOP->FR/LG,->HG/SS

What the fudge is EoP?

And while we're on subjects of Canon. Surely Yellow was the biggest canon. Since of the whole Pikachu/Eevee starter thing?

03-16-2010, 06:44 PM	#1
Dark Seraphim Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Gender: Posts: 431 Thanks: 4 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Is the original R/B/Y/G/S/C now non-canon? I am just curious if the story and games as they were told in the original Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Crystal are now considered non-canon with Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald/Diamond/Pearl/Platinum since the re-releases of LeafGreen/FireRed/HeartGold/SoulSilver. I mean the new LG/FR/HG/SS are basically a retelling of the same story, but brought up to date with the new generations and tactics that were not shown in their original releases. So the question is, since the stories have now been retold, does this mean that the original games are now non-canon with the newer games, and the new releases are considered what really happened according to Nintendo?

03-16-2010, 07:15 PM	#6
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,274 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Are there slashfics that need to be rewritten? I think whatever in the anime is what's canon.

03-16-2010, 06:47 PM	#2
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I think ever since Fire and Leaf, R/B/Y have been non-canon or alternate canon. Same with what they're now doing, I believe.

03-16-2010, 06:54 PM	#3
Dark Seraphim Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Gender: Posts: 431 Thanks: 4 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	So would you say the original Generation I and II games have been retconned from the official timeline? Or is LeafGreen/FireRed/HeartGold/SoulSilver now their own canon seperate from the other games? Although that doesn't seem to make sense, since Ruby/Sappire/Diamond/Pearl/Platinum are all compatible with each other and LG/FR/HG/SS.

03-16-2010, 07:05 PM	#4
Jailbreaker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Not in jail anymore, yay! Gender: Posts: 3,482 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 185 Times in 118 Posts	THERE'S A TIME LINE IN POKEMON!? Why wasn't I told?

03-16-2010, 07:15 PM	#7
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	The remakes were more like a remake of the original game. Unless these games change something stated in the original game, the original games are still canon while the remakes are more like alternate canon unless proof is made otherwise.

03-16-2010, 10:04 PM	#8
Rainbow Dash been dreamin', i've been waitin' Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,400 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts	it's just an update with added features

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03-17-2010, 02:02 AM	#10
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I tried.

03-17-2010, 07:52 AM	#11
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 23,274 Thanks: 568 Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,582 Posts Blog Entries: 1	^^ Don't knock the fans. There's fans for everything, and there's some thing that you go squee over. If you don't, you lead a life without passion.

03-17-2010, 01:14 PM	#12
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03-18-2010, 09:46 PM	#14
Random User Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Equestrian Republic of Spanglidesh Gender: Posts: 3,562 Thanks: 320 Thanked 195 Times in 143 Posts Blog Entries: 4	I`d say that their both canon, because all that`s really added to the HG/SS remakes were different designs for places and new moves, Pokemon, and items. This means it does not matter if G/S/C is canon or not, HG/SS is the same thing with added (irrelevant to original story) stuff.

03-23-2010, 02:46 PM	#15
X-3 Useful as an Owl Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,943 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,213 Times in 790 Posts Blog Entries: 10	It's clear as day that the world of Pokemon is in a Time Loop of sorts. R/B/Y->G/S/C->R/S/E->D/P/P->EoP->TIMELOOP->FR/LG, because of some changes caused by people having deja vu, or because of other causes->HG/SS

03-26-2010, 01:19 AM	#16
CodenameV Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mudkipland, CA Gender: Posts: 215 Thanks: 43 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	I might be mistaken; but aren't HG/SS and FR/LG returns to the regions set in the current timeline? Like, a new trainer comes from the old regions and goes on the age-old quest to catch 'em all? So, basically, HG/SS takes place at the same time or after D/P, and FR/LG takes place during R/S/E. That's my theory at least.

03-26-2010, 01:52 AM	#18
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Actually, if it's the exact same plot, there isn't much of a reason to wonder which one is canon since it's the same game. It's like wondering if Metroid Zero Mission makes the original non-canon. They're both so similar that one can not knock the other out of continuity, mostly because they're the same story.

03-26-2010, 02:08 PM	#19
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,659 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^But Zero Mission is a prequel to Metroid. I prooves it with grepher lojik. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"