who would win

infinite361 · 12-29-2010, 10:29 PM

lvl 2 magikarp vs lvl 2 ditto lol

Jere · 12-30-2010, 01:32 AM

... i think it depends on how many pp Ditto get's when he transforms into magikarp .

if magikarp is the first one to use struggle i think it would win, but then it comes down to Defence and attack stats to se how damaged the opponent gets and how damaged him self gets.

Vgfian · 12-30-2010, 01:42 AM

Also, is there another pokemon sent out before Magikarp? Then did Ditto turn into it, and then how much damage did Ditto sustain in that battle?

**X-3** · 12-30-2010, 01:43 AM

Ditto would have to waste a turn transforming into Magikarp, so Magikarp would run out of PP for Splash sooner which leads to it using Struggle.

This is very serious.

It's worth noting that Magikarp can learn Flail.

Vgfian · 12-30-2010, 01:57 AM

^Ditto only gets 5 pp per move when it transforms though.

MeowMan · 12-31-2010, 04:13 PM

Note that he said level 2. Magikarp would know only Splash. It would not be possible for either side to win.

Robotazy · 12-31-2010, 05:04 PM

Yes they would because they would eventually have to struggle, it's a move implemented to stop these kinds of situations.

So, who would struggle first is the question?

***CaptHayfever*** · 12-31-2010, 05:53 PM

^Ditto would Struggle first; it gets diminished PP (I think halved?) on its copied moves.

And remember, "I'm-a Charizard, number, well, six."

Glux · 12-31-2010, 06:43 PM

The user of Transform only gets 5 HP.

Turn 1 (PP after using attack):
Magikarp: Splash 39/40
Ditto: Transform 9/10

Turn 2:
Magikarp: Splash 38/40
Ditto: Splash 4/40

Turn 3:
Magikarp: Splash 37/40
Ditto: Splash 3/40

Turn 4:
Magikarp: Splash 36/40
Ditto: Splash 2/40

Turn 5:
Magikarp: Splash 35/40
Ditto: Splash 1/40

Turn 6:
Magikarp: Splash 34/40
Ditto: Splash 0/40

Turn 7:
Magikarp: Splash 33/40
Ditto: Struggle

From Bulbapedia: "the user takes ¼ of its maximum HP as recoil damage."

So if it takes 4 turns to kill Magikarp with Struggle, Ditto would lose due to losing ¼ it's max HP 4 times, but if it takes less than 4 turns Ditto wins... Right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-3

Ditto would have to waste a turn transforming into Magikarp, so Magikarp would run out of PP for Splash sooner which leads to it using Struggle.

Splash's PP is 40.

Jere · 12-31-2010, 07:20 PM

yeah basicly what i said earlyer just with the fact about stuggle taking 1/4 MAXIMUM of your HP but does that mean it takes 1/4 everytime or just at most 1/4?

cause back in gen one i had a metapod Vs metapod Match and it ended with struggle and if i remeber correct it was more than 4 uses of struggle

**X-3** · 12-31-2010, 07:49 PM

This 'Transform gives you **** for PP' stuff is news to me, as I never use Ditto.

Glux · 12-31-2010, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jere

yeah basicly what i said earlyer just with the fact about stuggle taking 1/4 MAXIMUM of your HP but does that mean it takes 1/4 everytime or just at most 1/4?

cause back in gen one i had a metapod Vs metapod Match and it ended with struggle and if i remeber correct it was more than 4 uses of struggle

In Gen 3 it changed from "50% of dealt damage" to "1/4 of Max HP".

Jere · 01-01-2011, 06:26 AM

ok, then i can't say how it would work out.

Glux · 01-01-2011, 09:53 AM

Well either way Ditto would win.

Since Splash's HP is 40, and Ditto only gets 5 PP out of transform, Ditto would hit struggle when Magikarp has 33 PP left, so Ditto would win.

chibimod3 · 01-02-2011, 02:40 AM

That's assuming that the splash attack has full pp. I mean if its at 5 already then the magikarp would win.

**X-3** · 01-02-2011, 03:06 AM

If it's a linked battle, then Splash would be at full PP. A linked battle would probably be the best way to get such a battle going...

12-29-2010, 10:29 PM	#1
infinite361 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Kanto Gender: Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	who would win lvl 2 magikarp vs lvl 2 ditto lol

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X-3 Useful as an Owl Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,945 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,213 Times in 790 Posts Blog Entries: 10	alt: Magikarp has Tackle Ditto would have to waste a turn transforming into Magikarp, so Magikarp would run out of PP for Splash sooner which leads to it using Struggle. This is very serious. It's worth noting that Magikarp can learn Flail. Last edited by X-3; 12-30-2010 at 01:56 AM.

01-02-2011, 03:06 AM	#16
X-3 Useful as an Owl Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,945 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,213 Times in 790 Posts Blog Entries: 10	This is clearly a serious topic. If it's a linked battle, then Splash would be at full PP. A linked battle would probably be the best way to get such a battle going...

12-30-2010, 01:32 AM	#2
Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	... i think it depends on how many pp Ditto get's when he transforms into magikarp . if magikarp is the first one to use struggle i think it would win, but then it comes down to Defence and attack stats to se how damaged the opponent gets and how damaged him self gets.

12-30-2010, 01:42 AM	#3
Vgfian Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Listening to Seeking 7 Seven and giving out free hugs. :) Gender: Posts: 6,862 Thanks: 2,433 Thanked 398 Times in 311 Posts	Also, is there another pokemon sent out before Magikarp? Then did Ditto turn into it, and then how much damage did Ditto sustain in that battle?

12-30-2010, 01:57 AM	#5
Vgfian Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Listening to Seeking 7 Seven and giving out free hugs. :) Gender: Posts: 6,862 Thanks: 2,433 Thanked 398 Times in 311 Posts	^Ditto only gets 5 pp per move when it transforms though.

12-31-2010, 04:13 PM	#6
MeowMan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Las Pegasus Gender: Posts: 6,606 Thanks: 849 Thanked 208 Times in 132 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Note that he said level 2. Magikarp would know only Splash. It would not be possible for either side to win.

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Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Yes they would because they would eventually have to struggle, it's a move implemented to stop these kinds of situations. So, who would struggle first is the question?

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*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^Ditto would Struggle first; it gets diminished PP (I think halved?) on its copied moves. And remember, "I'm-a Charizard, number, well, six."

12-31-2010, 07:20 PM	#10
Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	yeah basicly what i said earlyer just with the fact about stuggle taking 1/4 MAXIMUM of your HP but does that mean it takes 1/4 everytime or just at most 1/4? cause back in gen one i had a metapod Vs metapod Match and it ended with struggle and if i remeber correct it was more than 4 uses of struggle

12-31-2010, 07:49 PM	#11
X-3 Useful as an Owl Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,945 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,213 Times in 790 Posts Blog Entries: 10	This 'Transform gives you **** for PP' stuff is news to me, as I never use Ditto.

01-01-2011, 06:26 AM	#13
Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 404 Thanked 331 Times in 256 Posts Blog Entries: 3	ok, then i can't say how it would work out.

01-01-2011, 09:53 AM	#14
Glux Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home Gender: Posts: 7,122 Thanks: 647 Thanked 360 Times in 236 Posts Blog Entries: 3	Well either way Ditto would win. Since Splash's HP is 40, and Ditto only gets 5 PP out of transform, Ditto would hit struggle when Magikarp has 33 PP left, so Ditto would win.

01-02-2011, 02:40 AM	#15
chibimod3 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bottom of a Dr. Pepper bottle Gender: Posts: 497 Thanks: 52 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts	That's assuming that the splash attack has full pp. I mean if its at 5 already then the magikarp would win.