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Legion · 06-18-2004, 01:23 PM

Strange. I always thought that it was the British Empire that first ended slavery. I know at least that the British passed a law against slavery well before the American Revolution.

***CaptHayfever*** · 06-18-2004, 01:43 PM

Well, proportionally speaking, we were first on religious freedom, since we had it from the get-go.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Nick · 06-18-2004, 02:35 PM

Its our duty to wage war for phantom WMDs and not our duty to at least NOT SUPPORT countries that engage in horrible human rights abuses?

Kennedy's a bad example, and I couldn't think of the names in the Clinton "murder/suicide" thing. Regardless, Iran-Contra and Watergate are still attributed to the respective ADMINISTRATIONS, regardless of what the president knew and when he knew it.

Yeah, we WATCHED, after our administration gave them the thumbs up to revolt. Sure, we set up No Fly Zones in part of this, but that really didn't do much to prevent that. Try to blame it on the "Peaceniks," but it was Bush Sr's call to pull out and ignore the warnings of Powell and Swartzkoff.

How about this: look at all of the regimes in the region. Which ones are the most stable (ie: no assassinations or overthrow)? Jordan. Why? The King Hussiens have been quite harsh, puttign their foot down when needed and essentially provided a strong, almost dictatorial power structure. Democracy isn't wanted in this region, nor will it work in a region where people still kill each other over various interpretations of teh Koran. Do you think the US would work if Protestants and Catholics were still killing each other over the bible?

When the normal people support the ever-growing violent insurgants, its hard to find any reason why we should continue to support this. Its similar to Vietnam where the common people were slowly swinging towards the side of the NV and the SVA wasn't bearing the brunt of the conflict or even supporting our troops.

Our 13 original colonies were BRITISH. We were grossly behind on slavery and it took one of the most violent wars our nation has ever seen to eradicate the process. Then we engaged in a policy of state-sanctioned discrimination that was only better than the one seen in South Africa. We were behind in women's rights, racial tolerance, and religious tolerance of non-christianity up until the 20th century.

But regardless, it took us TWO HUNDRED YEARS to get to that point. How do you expect to jam that on a region in two? It won't work. That democracy is only as stable as the amount of American troops stationed in there enforcing it.

We provide like 60% of the waste pollution, of course our sanctions should be higher than some country that produces <1%.

[ June 18, 2004, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: Lurch1982 ]

El Barto · 06-18-2004, 04:44 PM

I think the whole 'How do you decide which dictators to eliminate?' thing is exactly why UN protocol was created specifically so that force wouldn't be used to eliminate dictators... First it would have to eliminate Stalin, then Mao... Not practical; not when the number one reason the United Nations was created was to PREVENT Wolrd War III.

LuigiMan · 06-21-2004, 05:53 AM

New Zealand was the first country in the world to give women the vote, if I remember my World History textbook correctly.

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06-18-2004, 02:35 PM	#43
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,950.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,450.00 Donate	Its our duty to wage war for phantom WMDs and not our duty to at least NOT SUPPORT countries that engage in horrible human rights abuses? Kennedy's a bad example, and I couldn't think of the names in the Clinton "murder/suicide" thing. Regardless, Iran-Contra and Watergate are still attributed to the respective ADMINISTRATIONS, regardless of what the president knew and when he knew it. Yeah, we WATCHED, after our administration gave them the thumbs up to revolt. Sure, we set up No Fly Zones in part of this, but that really didn't do much to prevent that. Try to blame it on the "Peaceniks," but it was Bush Sr's call to pull out and ignore the warnings of Powell and Swartzkoff. How about this: look at all of the regimes in the region. Which ones are the most stable (ie: no assassinations or overthrow)? Jordan. Why? The King Hussiens have been quite harsh, puttign their foot down when needed and essentially provided a strong, almost dictatorial power structure. Democracy isn't wanted in this region, nor will it work in a region where people still kill each other over various interpretations of teh Koran. Do you think the US would work if Protestants and Catholics were still killing each other over the bible? When the normal people support the ever-growing violent insurgants, its hard to find any reason why we should continue to support this. Its similar to Vietnam where the common people were slowly swinging towards the side of the NV and the SVA wasn't bearing the brunt of the conflict or even supporting our troops. Our 13 original colonies were BRITISH. We were grossly behind on slavery and it took one of the most violent wars our nation has ever seen to eradicate the process. Then we engaged in a policy of state-sanctioned discrimination that was only better than the one seen in South Africa. We were behind in women's rights, racial tolerance, and religious tolerance of non-christianity up until the 20th century. But regardless, it took us TWO HUNDRED YEARS to get to that point. How do you expect to jam that on a region in two? It won't work. That democracy is only as stable as the amount of American troops stationed in there enforcing it. We provide like 60% of the waste pollution, of course our sanctions should be higher than some country that produces <1%. [ June 18, 2004, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: Lurch1982 ]

06-18-2004, 04:44 PM	#44
El Barto Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,708 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,513.12 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,013.12 Donate	I think the whole 'How do you decide which dictators to eliminate?' thing is exactly why UN protocol was created specifically so that force wouldn't be used to eliminate dictators... First it would have to eliminate Stalin, then Mao... Not practical; not when the number one reason the United Nations was created was to PREVENT Wolrd War III.

06-21-2004, 05:53 AM	#45
LuigiMan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida Posts: 2,517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,886.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,386.00 Donate	New Zealand was the first country in the world to give women the vote, if I remember my World History textbook correctly.