Least favorite president of the United States? - Page 2 - VGF

Erdawn Il Deus · 01-23-2005, 02:18 AM

Johnson. Lies make me a saaad panda. Especially lies that get soldiers killed.

Bush Jr. Is getting there. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

OcarinaMan · 01-23-2005, 12:42 PM

Never really liked Clinton, but there have been worse president in the past.

**Prince Toad** · 01-23-2005, 03:54 PM

^Clinton was awesome.

Bomby · 01-24-2005, 08:39 PM

Andrew Jackson. Remember the trail of tears?

DarthButcher · 01-24-2005, 09:15 PM

The one who thinks he will become Supreme Ruler of the Universe: BUSH!

EDIT: I refuse to judge a President I have not lived through. I have no clue what the mainstream was then, or what I would have thought, only what the textbooks say everything is.

Check out Berlin's Gunjin Information.

[ January 24, 2005, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Star Scott Butcher ]

Philip55 · 01-24-2005, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Perrin Aybara:
The man was friggen handicapped. He had polio and couldn't friggen walk during his entire presidency. That fact alone makes FDR a role model.-jay

Um, okay. Is Polio an indication of greatness?

In addition to being the man responsible for the Japanese American Internment Camps, there's also his failed court stacking plan, which managed to intimidate the Supreme Court into declaring his blatantly illegal programs constitutional.

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 01-24-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Philip55:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Perrin Aybara:
The man was friggen handicapped. He had polio and couldn't friggen walk during his entire presidency. That fact alone makes FDR a role model.-jay

Um, okay. Is Polio an indication of greatness?</font>[/quote]Can't see sarcasm when it's infront of you, can you?

Philip55 · 01-24-2005, 10:25 PM

So far, that's the only reason he's given, unless you accept the "lead us through the Great Depression and World War II." A big war breaking out during your administration doesn't necessarily make you a great president on the whole.

As for the Great Depression, the way he "handled" that is the biggest stain on his administration.

[ January 24, 2005, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Philip55 ]

**Prince Toad** · 01-25-2005, 12:22 AM

^World War II wasn't exactly his fault.

What else should he have done? He created jobs and started some cash flowing... not much, but better than nothing.

The Missing Link · 01-25-2005, 01:51 AM

^ Some might actually disagree with that depending upon your economic philosophy. Was it really the TVA and the CCC and the rest of the alphabet soup that got us out of the depression? No. Those programs were like Black Mage trying to use his dagger on Fighter's armour. The difference between Hoover and Roosevelt with regards to the Great Depression was that Hoover thought the problem would resolve itself a la the many financial panics of the 19th century; this was perceived as him flailing around doing nothing. Roosevelt made programs that amounted to a fraction of a percent improvement; he was seen as doing something.

The question boils down to whether or not perception is more important than effect. Bill Clinton would say the former is better. George Bush would say the opposite.

Nick · 01-25-2005, 04:52 AM

Effect of TVA was that most of the south actually caught up with the rest of the world. WPA projects helped construct buildings (such as colleges and schools, bridges, dams, and others). It gave people jobs, and provided a sense of stability for the public as well as improved the infastructure of the country.

The Missing Link · 01-25-2005, 09:23 AM

^ I didn't say useless, Lurch. The TVA was perhaps the best of all those projects, much needed. But considering successes like those were far and few between...

**Booyakasha** · 01-25-2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Fox Warrior:
Please dip your face in acid. JFK was probably the best President we ever had. He not only led us out of the Cuban Missle Crisis, but launced both Project Apollo AND Peace Corps.

Kennedy launched the Bay of Pigs, which is pretty much what led to the Cuban Missile Crisis in the first place. He also refused to enforce desegregation, for fear of alienating the Dixiecrats who helped put him in office. Not to mention, he was a philandering sleazeball who leapt from bed to bed with a gusto that would put Clinton to shame.

The fact is, JFK's assassination turned him into a martyr for the left wing. Thus, every conceivable praise is heaped upon what was, in actuality, a thoroughly mediocre president.

[ January 25, 2005, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Cap'n Boo from Timbuktu ]

***CaptHayfever*** · 01-25-2005, 12:54 PM

"While [Kennedy], who got mixed reviews,
Because of you [Lee], now gets only raves!"
~from Assassins...but edited slightly.

I think that is a pretty good summation of that situation.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

ocarinagirl · 01-25-2005, 05:19 PM

^^Yeah, that's kind of where I stand. Kennedy may have been a great guy and everything, but I didn't really find anything that great in his presidency to brag about.

There were much better presidents than JFK anyway. TR kicks inconcievibly more amounts of ass than JFK ever did, for example. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Oh, and for my least favorite...I'm gonna have to go with Andrew Jackson on this one.

[ January 25, 2005, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Bad Andi ]

The Missing Link · 01-25-2005, 07:41 PM

^ I remember back long ago when we studied US History that we decided Jackson was a horrible president, but for the life of me I can't remember anything about his presidency.

ocarinagirl · 01-25-2005, 08:44 PM

^His administration forced various Indian tribes to migrate west. They went to Oklahoma along the Trail of Tears, a journey that ended up killing a lot of the migrating Indians, not to mention the fact that various tribes were removed from their homelands in the first place.

Sucky, sucky, suck suck McSuckypants, that guy.

Philip55 · 01-25-2005, 09:01 PM

Yes, the No Indian Left Alive Act was pretty bad. He did, however, threaten to hang his own vice president, so you have to give him credit for that.

Jonathan Resop · 01-25-2005, 09:26 PM

Andrew Jackson was acutally kinda interesting, from what I remember.

And while the Trail of Tears was beyond horrible, you can hardly put all of the blame on Jackson. At the time, the entire country didn't give a damn about the Native Americans. It was popular opinion at the time to send them west, I believe.

It's like blaming one person for slavery.

So yeah, he's a bum for going ahead and doing it, but don't be so hard on him. If Jackson didn't send the Indians out west, someone else would have done it sooner or later.

In terms of how we treated the Native Americans over the course of history, we simply suck as a whole.-jay

[ January 25, 2005, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Perrin Aybara ]

The Missing Link · 01-25-2005, 09:58 PM

^ Our major complaint was that he shouldn't be the one on the $20 bill.

01-23-2005, 02:18 AM	#21
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01-23-2005, 12:42 PM	#22
OcarinaMan Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ikana Castle Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Points: 7,834.77 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,334.77 Donate	Never really liked Clinton, but there have been worse president in the past.

01-23-2005, 03:54 PM	#23
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01-24-2005, 08:39 PM	#24
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01-24-2005, 09:15 PM	#25
DarthButcher Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Arizona Gender: Posts: 2,518 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 32,270.96 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 32,780.96 Donate	The one who thinks he will become Supreme Ruler of the Universe: BUSH! EDIT: I refuse to judge a President I have not lived through. I have no clue what the mainstream was then, or what I would have thought, only what the textbooks say everything is. Check out Berlin's Gunjin Information. [ January 24, 2005, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Star Scott Butcher ]

01-24-2005, 10:25 PM	#28
Philip55 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 142 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,566.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,066.00 Donate	So far, that's the only reason he's given, unless you accept the "lead us through the Great Depression and World War II." A big war breaking out during your administration doesn't necessarily make you a great president on the whole. As for the Great Depression, the way he "handled" that is the biggest stain on his administration. [ January 24, 2005, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Philip55 ]

01-25-2005, 12:22 AM	#29
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,402 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 43,222.57 Bank: 18,304.68 Total Points: 61,527.25 Donate	^World War II wasn't exactly his fault. What else should he have done? He created jobs and started some cash flowing... not much, but better than nothing.

01-25-2005, 01:51 AM	#30
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,575 Thanks: 80 Thanked 183 Times in 110 Posts Points: 6,758.45 Bank: 55,328.64 Total Points: 62,087.09 Donate	^ Some might actually disagree with that depending upon your economic philosophy. Was it really the TVA and the CCC and the rest of the alphabet soup that got us out of the depression? No. Those programs were like Black Mage trying to use his dagger on Fighter's armour. The difference between Hoover and Roosevelt with regards to the Great Depression was that Hoover thought the problem would resolve itself a la the many financial panics of the 19th century; this was perceived as him flailing around doing nothing. Roosevelt made programs that amounted to a fraction of a percent improvement; he was seen as doing something. The question boils down to whether or not perception is more important than effect. Bill Clinton would say the former is better. George Bush would say the opposite.

01-25-2005, 04:52 AM	#31
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,314.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,814.00 Donate	Effect of TVA was that most of the south actually caught up with the rest of the world. WPA projects helped construct buildings (such as colleges and schools, bridges, dams, and others). It gave people jobs, and provided a sense of stability for the public as well as improved the infastructure of the country.

01-25-2005, 09:23 AM	#32
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,575 Thanks: 80 Thanked 183 Times in 110 Posts Points: 6,758.45 Bank: 55,328.64 Total Points: 62,087.09 Donate	^ I didn't say useless, Lurch. The TVA was perhaps the best of all those projects, much needed. But considering successes like those were far and few between...

01-25-2005, 12:54 PM	#34
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,273 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 474 Posts Points: 105,385.73 Bank: 923.79 Total Points: 106,309.52 Donate	"While [Kennedy], who got mixed reviews, Because of you [Lee], now gets only raves!" ~from Assassins...but edited slightly. I think that is a pretty good summation of that situation. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

01-25-2005, 05:19 PM	#35
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,918.83 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,418.83 Donate	^^Yeah, that's kind of where I stand. Kennedy may have been a great guy and everything, but I didn't really find anything that great in his presidency to brag about. There were much better presidents than JFK anyway. TR kicks inconcievibly more amounts of ass than JFK ever did, for example. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Oh, and for my least favorite...I'm gonna have to go with Andrew Jackson on this one. [ January 25, 2005, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Bad Andi ]

01-25-2005, 07:41 PM	#36
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,575 Thanks: 80 Thanked 183 Times in 110 Posts Points: 6,758.45 Bank: 55,328.64 Total Points: 62,087.09 Donate	^ I remember back long ago when we studied US History that we decided Jackson was a horrible president, but for the life of me I can't remember anything about his presidency.

01-25-2005, 08:44 PM	#37
ocarinagirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,918.83 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,418.83 Donate	^His administration forced various Indian tribes to migrate west. They went to Oklahoma along the Trail of Tears, a journey that ended up killing a lot of the migrating Indians, not to mention the fact that various tribes were removed from their homelands in the first place. Sucky, sucky, suck suck McSuckypants, that guy.

01-25-2005, 09:01 PM	#38
Philip55 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 142 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,566.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,066.00 Donate	Yes, the No Indian Left Alive Act was pretty bad. He did, however, threaten to hang his own vice president, so you have to give him credit for that.

01-25-2005, 09:26 PM	#39
Jonathan Resop Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 34,043.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 34,543.00 Donate	Andrew Jackson was acutally kinda interesting, from what I remember. And while the Trail of Tears was beyond horrible, you can hardly put all of the blame on Jackson. At the time, the entire country didn't give a damn about the Native Americans. It was popular opinion at the time to send them west, I believe. It's like blaming one person for slavery. So yeah, he's a bum for going ahead and doing it, but don't be so hard on him. If Jackson didn't send the Indians out west, someone else would have done it sooner or later. In terms of how we treated the Native Americans over the course of history, we simply suck as a whole.-jay [ January 25, 2005, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Perrin Aybara ]

01-25-2005, 09:58 PM	#40
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,575 Thanks: 80 Thanked 183 Times in 110 Posts Points: 6,758.45 Bank: 55,328.64 Total Points: 62,087.09 Donate	^ Our major complaint was that he shouldn't be the one on the $20 bill.