If you could repeal one piece of legislation... - Page 2 - VGF

Philip55 · 04-01-2005, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by The Missing Link:
How about we repeal the 21st Amendment?

*waits*

I'd rather repeal that than the 2nd or 10th, but if I was going to repeal an amendment, I'd go with either the 16th or 17th.

The 14th is also 'bad,' not because of the amendment itself, but because of a faulty interpretation of it that has lived on for quite some time, despite not having appeared in any authoritative judicial text prior to 20 years after its passage.

That, and the very history of the amendment's "ratification" is plauged with scandal.

The Republicans couldn't even get the 2/3 majority required to pass the amendment, except by refusing to seat southern senators and representatives.

When it did pass, the amendment failed to secure the necessary three-fourths of the states. Constitutionally, the proposed amendment would have been dead.

That was not to be. The Republican Congress passed the Reconstruction Act of 1867 which placed the entire south under military rule and required that southern states ratify the amendment just be considered 'part' of the union again (in spite of their earlier claim that the union indiolvable).

The south eventually voted to ratify the amendment, after which two northern states—Ohio and New Jersey—withdrew their support over disgust with what they saw as Republican tyranny. The Republicans just ignored this and declared the amendment valid.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Act_of_1867

The Missing Link · 04-01-2005, 12:03 AM

^^ The criticism isn't that you've realised that the mouse trap existed within his delivery. On the contrary, the criticism is that you yourself sprung it through your delivery. But I guess the point is moot now.

^ The reason I suggested the 21st is that I fail to see how repealing the 2nd is any different from repealing the 21st. And I know quite a few people don't want to see the 21st go.

[ March 31, 2005, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: The Missing Link ]

DarthButcher · 04-05-2005, 08:17 PM

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AMENDMENT XVI
Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Glyph Phoenix · 04-06-2005, 01:45 PM

But then we can only count on death, DB!

Philip55 · 04-06-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Darth Butcher: Freak:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> AMENDMENT XVI
Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

[/quote]That would not ban the 'normal' income tax, which is indirect as long as it's paid by the employer, but it would ban the estate tax, capital gains tax, etc.

Depending on how the Supreme Court ruled, they might consider a means of getting your money back to be direct, in which case it would definitely be a load off Americans' backs.

By legislation, I really meant actual laws, not constitutional law.

***CaptHayfever*** · 04-06-2005, 05:06 PM

Whatever law it is that lets them tax the same stuff more than once; I would repeal that one.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

DarthButcher · 04-06-2005, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Philip55:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Darth Butcher: Freak:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> AMENDMENT XVI
Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

[/quote]That would not ban the 'normal' income tax, which is indirect as long as it's paid by the employer, but it would ban the estate tax, capital gains tax, etc.

Depending on how the Supreme Court ruled, they might consider a means of getting your money back to be direct, in which case it would definitely be a load off Americans' backs.

By legislation, I really meant actual laws, not constitutional law. [/quote]Sorry, Phil.

Nick · 04-06-2005, 07:38 PM

Quotas = not legal.

Bomby · 05-07-2005, 11:44 PM

That whole No Child Left Behind bull**** should be ripped off of whatever its written on, urinated on, and lit into flames. Same thing with the Patriot Act.

Mushigander · 05-21-2005, 07:31 PM

Concur. No Child Left Untested (NCLU) is one of the most disgusting, bloated, AND unconstitutional pieces of federal garbage out there. I'm glad Utah's legislature voted to secede.
WMD BUSH=One of the worst presidents since FDR. Only someone like him would propose such a big butt program.

ocarinagirl · 05-21-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Maliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiik:
That whole No Child Left Behind bull**** should be ripped off of whatever its written on, urinated on, and lit into flames. Same thing with the Patriot Act.

Agreed and agreed.

No Child Left Behind sickens me as an educator.

[ May 21, 2005, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: Bad Andi ]

04-01-2005, 12:03 AM	#22
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,575 Thanks: 80 Thanked 183 Times in 110 Posts Points: 6,758.45 Bank: 55,328.64 Total Points: 62,087.09 Donate	^^ The criticism isn't that you've realised that the mouse trap existed within his delivery. On the contrary, the criticism is that you yourself sprung it through your delivery. But I guess the point is moot now. ^ The reason I suggested the 21st is that I fail to see how repealing the 2nd is any different from repealing the 21st. And I know quite a few people don't want to see the 21st go. [ March 31, 2005, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: The Missing Link ]

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Mushigander Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lapeer, Michigan Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 949.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,449.00 Donate	Concur. No Child Left Untested (NCLU) is one of the most disgusting, bloated, AND unconstitutional pieces of federal garbage out there. I'm glad Utah's legislature voted to secede. WMD BUSH=One of the worst presidents since FDR. Only someone like him would propose such a big butt program.