Webmaster burns American flag.

Tonberry2k · 07-04-2005, 10:15 AM

http://www.squidi.net/

He explained why he would (scroll down) and then did it. Comments?

I, personally, see no problems with it. It's defended as freedom of speech and is really nothing more than a symbol. A symbol people say they die for, when they're really dying for the country, itself. Anyway, comments?

Pyropunk · 07-04-2005, 10:54 AM

I commend him for what he did and what it stood for... damn politicians and they're b.s. with trying to constantly run down society...

***CaptHayfever*** · 07-04-2005, 12:47 PM

I pretty much agree with him: Patriotism rocks, Nationalism stinks, and not enough people know the difference.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Bomby · 07-04-2005, 03:35 PM

Any symbol that stands for a group of people who came over to another land and killed the natives because they thought the land "belonged to them" deserves a few burnings if you ask me.

Link2000 · 07-04-2005, 06:09 PM

So why don't you give your property to some native family then?

**Prince Toad** · 07-04-2005, 07:19 PM

^ [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

Erdawn Il Deus · 07-04-2005, 10:00 PM

PErsonally, I'm against desecrations of the nation's flag. Really, if you don't like it, take a hike. This isn't ...that bad though. Not like Quebec and their god damn anti-canaday rallies, which should not only be illegalised, but all perpetrators steamrolled or hung or soemthing.

God, I would *****-slap the teeh out of the lot of them if I could. Sometimes I wish I ran my friggin' country.

Link2000 · 07-05-2005, 01:40 AM

^Yeah, that's really gonna make the moderates want to stay in Canada...

If Quebec wants to to leave... let them leave. But they'll gte no help from us. Economic accosiation? Too bad Quebec, you're on your own. Most separtists are smart enough to know that they're economy will plummet. Way too much money has been funnelled into Quebec from other provinces, and this needs to be stopped. Trying to win over Quebec has wasted billions and led to much government corruption (Sponsorship anyone?)

Worst thing that we can do is ban a different viewpoint. What are you, a nazi?

Glyph Phoenix · 07-06-2005, 12:10 PM

^^Aww, poor you. You don't run your country like a dictatorship and you can't punch people's teeth out. Now we all must suffer because of it.

Really, though. If you really support the ideals and beliefs of America, this shouldn't be a big problem for you. Y'know how we're always supposed to enforce freedom for everybody?

Everybody needs to realize that the flag doesn't mean a damn thing. It's just a bunch of strange geometric symbols. Last time I checked it was what they meant that was important.

Flag burning may destroy flags, but making it illegal destroys the ideals.

[ July 06, 2005, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Glyph Phoenix ]

biaxialtrinebulon · 07-06-2005, 04:16 PM

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Everybody needs to realize that the flag doesn't mean a damn thing. It's just a bunch of strange geometric symbols. Last time I checked it was what they meant that was important.

If what is on the flag has meaning, then that makes the flag itself a symbol and therefore important.

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Flag burning may destroy flags, but making it illegal destroys the ideals.

What it destroys is common civility and what makes us a nation. Let me tell you a story. When my uncle went to college there was a large demonstration which was about to be followed by a flag burning.

That was when a large american football player/student (who had previously served in the military) fought his way through the crowd, took the flag, and hoisted it up the mast. He then proceeded to say: "I've lived under this flag, I've served under this flag, and I'm willing to die under this flag."

The crowd dispersed. Why? Because they didn't have a true conception of the sacrifices and struggles that others have gone through in order to give the flag the meaning that it has.

(I apologize for any typos I might have missed.)

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Link2000 · 07-06-2005, 04:25 PM

One of the things America was founded upon was liberty. Now people want to restrict liberty in the name of America? Talk about hypocrisy.

**Prince Toad** · 07-06-2005, 04:29 PM

^That's nice, but do you honestly support banning flag burning? America is supposed to stand for freedom above all other things. Freedom to express your opinion falls into that. Flag burning expresses an opinion that may not agree with yours, but it's a valid line of thought, and to ban it would be against everything America's supposed to stand for.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-06-2005, 04:32 PM

Just because some ass would be willing to die by his beliefs doesn't make them correct beliefs.

biaxialtrinebulon · 07-06-2005, 04:40 PM

I'm not against flag burning in general. Boy Scout and Girl Scout associations in general burn the flag in a dignified and ceremonial matter, the way it should be done.

The problem is that flag burning is almost never done for anything besides being against anti-flag burning laws.

I never said anything about believing in laws against flag burning.

I merely stated that I am very much opposed to it. If someone wants to, fine that's their right. But they're off burning flags instead of doing more productive things to support whatever cause they're supposedly supporting.

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Just because some ass would be willing to die by his beliefs doesn't make them correct beliefs.

That ass is someone who would willingly sacrifice himself in order to keep your freedom alive. Your statement reaks of blatant pubescent angst and immaturity.

Sorry if any of my thoughts are unclear. I'm a bit rushed as I have to get to work.

Glyph Phoenix · 07-06-2005, 04:56 PM

They should have been able to do whatever they wanted with the flag without some militarian blowhard stomping in and stopping them. If he was willing to die for freedom, why restrict that of others?

Link2000 · 07-06-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Prince Toad:
^That's nice, but do you honestly support banning flag burning? America is supposed to stand for freedom above all other things. Freedom to express your opinion falls into that. Flag burning expresses an opinion that may not agree with yours, but it's a valid line of thought, and to ban it would be against everything America's supposed to stand for.

Uh, that's pretty much what I said. I'm agreeing with you.

***CaptHayfever*** · 07-06-2005, 08:59 PM

^Check the timestamp, man; he was probably typing when you posted.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Link2000 · 07-06-2005, 10:26 PM

Good call Hayfever.

**Prince Toad** · 07-06-2005, 11:20 PM

^Yeah.

Nick · 07-07-2005, 01:37 PM

Extreme nationalism sucks.

Burning a flag is a valid form of protest because it garners attention and pisses people off. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion because it wouldn't get any attention. You simply cannot and should not asterix free speech with "unless we don't agree with or like what you say." It makes the very concept a blatent farce.

07-04-2005, 10:15 AM	#1
Tonberry2k Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Pensacola, FL Gender: Posts: 5,177 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 17,125.81 Bank: 530.66 Total Points: 17,656.47 Donate	http://www.squidi.net/ He explained why he would (scroll down) and then did it. Comments? I, personally, see no problems with it. It's defended as freedom of speech and is really nothing more than a symbol. A symbol people say they die for, when they're really dying for the country, itself. Anyway, comments?

07-04-2005, 10:54 AM	#2
Pyropunk Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: a place that is a grove of cottages, MN Gender: Posts: 104 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,918.70 Bank: 627.97 Total Points: 3,546.67 Donate	I commend him for what he did and what it stood for... damn politicians and they're b.s. with trying to constantly run down society...

07-04-2005, 12:47 PM	#3
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,594 Thanks: 188 Thanked 852 Times in 538 Posts Points: 112,625.21 Bank: 1,345.79 Total Points: 113,971.00 Donate	I pretty much agree with him: Patriotism rocks, Nationalism stinks, and not enough people know the difference. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

07-04-2005, 03:35 PM	#4
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07-04-2005, 06:09 PM	#5
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 16,416.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 17,220.37 Donate	So why don't you give your property to some native family then?

07-04-2005, 07:19 PM	#6
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,420 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 44,885.04 Bank: 23,214.76 Total Points: 68,099.80 Donate	^ [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

07-04-2005, 10:00 PM	#7
Erdawn Il Deus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 4 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts Points: 23,151.27 Bank: 757.83 Total Points: 23,909.10 Donate	PErsonally, I'm against desecrations of the nation's flag. Really, if you don't like it, take a hike. This isn't ...that bad though. Not like Quebec and their god damn anti-canaday rallies, which should not only be illegalised, but all perpetrators steamrolled or hung or soemthing. God, I would *****-slap the teeh out of the lot of them if I could. Sometimes I wish I ran my friggin' country.

07-05-2005, 01:40 AM	#8
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 16,416.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 17,220.37 Donate	^Yeah, that's really gonna make the moderates want to stay in Canada... If Quebec wants to to leave... let them leave. But they'll gte no help from us. Economic accosiation? Too bad Quebec, you're on your own. Most separtists are smart enough to know that they're economy will plummet. Way too much money has been funnelled into Quebec from other provinces, and this needs to be stopped. Trying to win over Quebec has wasted billions and led to much government corruption (Sponsorship anyone?) Worst thing that we can do is ban a different viewpoint. What are you, a nazi?

07-06-2005, 12:10 PM	#9
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,862.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,362.00 Donate	^^Aww, poor you. You don't run your country like a dictatorship and you can't punch people's teeth out. Now we all must suffer because of it. Really, though. If you really support the ideals and beliefs of America, this shouldn't be a big problem for you. Y'know how we're always supposed to enforce freedom for everybody? Everybody needs to realize that the flag doesn't mean a damn thing. It's just a bunch of strange geometric symbols. Last time I checked it was what they meant that was important. Flag burning may destroy flags, but making it illegal destroys the ideals. [ July 06, 2005, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Glyph Phoenix ]

07-06-2005, 04:25 PM	#11
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 16,416.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 17,220.37 Donate	One of the things America was founded upon was liberty. Now people want to restrict liberty in the name of America? Talk about hypocrisy.

07-06-2005, 04:29 PM	#12
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,420 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 44,885.04 Bank: 23,214.76 Total Points: 68,099.80 Donate	^That's nice, but do you honestly support banning flag burning? America is supposed to stand for freedom above all other things. Freedom to express your opinion falls into that. Flag burning expresses an opinion that may not agree with yours, but it's a valid line of thought, and to ban it would be against everything America's supposed to stand for.

07-06-2005, 04:32 PM	#13
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,862.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,362.00 Donate	Just because some ass would be willing to die by his beliefs doesn't make them correct beliefs.

07-06-2005, 04:56 PM	#15
Glyph Phoenix Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Posts: 1,774 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 6,862.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,362.00 Donate	They should have been able to do whatever they wanted with the flag without some militarian blowhard stomping in and stopping them. If he was willing to die for freedom, why restrict that of others?

07-06-2005, 08:59 PM	#17
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,594 Thanks: 188 Thanked 852 Times in 538 Posts Points: 112,625.21 Bank: 1,345.79 Total Points: 113,971.00 Donate	^Check the timestamp, man; he was probably typing when you posted. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

07-06-2005, 10:26 PM	#18
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 16,416.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 17,220.37 Donate	Good call Hayfever.

07-06-2005, 11:20 PM	#19
Prince Toad PC Mod Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,420 Thanks: 43 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts Points: 44,885.04 Bank: 23,214.76 Total Points: 68,099.80 Donate	^Yeah.

07-07-2005, 01:37 PM	#20
Nick Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 10,712.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,212.00 Donate	Extreme nationalism sucks. Burning a flag is a valid form of protest because it garners attention and pisses people off. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion because it wouldn't get any attention. You simply cannot and should not asterix free speech with "unless we don't agree with or like what you say." It makes the very concept a blatent farce.