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| Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | Clicky Quote:
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| Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | Have fun, most read like medication warning labels. Figures a group of regressive, would-be bookburners would list Keynes, Nietzsche, and Dewey in the same category as Hitler and Mao. |
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| Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,783 Thanks: 235 Thanked 942 Times in 574 Posts | ^Probably, but the usual reporters here wouldn't complain about it. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" |
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| Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 6,361 Thanks: 1,004 Thanked 1,001 Times in 457 Posts | ~Dylan |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | Quote:
And yes, naming literature as harmful is unbelievably stupid. | |
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| Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,783 Thanks: 235 Thanked 942 Times in 574 Posts | ^Agreed. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" |
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| Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teenage Wasteland Gender: Posts: 6,361 Thanks: 1,004 Thanked 1,001 Times in 457 Posts | Quote:
~Dylan | |
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| Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Vinkus Posts: 1,238 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | Literature can be harmful because language is one of the most powerful tools in manipulating human minds. Surely you've read at least one book in your lifetime that played with your mind and made you seriously question your views on a particular subject. A smart author who knows his or her rhetorical strategies can persuade any too-open-minded reader into accepting absolutely anything as the truth. Anything that is powerful has the potential to be destructive, and if you don't believe books can be powerful, look at the Bible. That single book has influenced more masses throughout history than any army or weapon ever has, and I know that quite a few people on this board would call this a harmful influence. The fact that something doesn't directly cause physical injury doesn't make it harmless. [ July 20, 2005, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Elphaba: Wicked Witch of the West ] |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ehhh? What? Where am I?! Gender: Posts: 3,010 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | Of course I know that literature is a powerful tool. What I'm mad about is how some people categorize books by Nietzsche, Kinsey, Friedan, Keynes, hell, even Marx as "harmful" simply because they don't correlate with some beliefs and actually promote change. I even know that my sister had to read Mien Kampf for English class, not because the teachers were promoting Nazism but because they wanted to expose students to the "other side of the story" so to speak. What the people on that panel are doing is essentially promoting a book-burning mentality and that's what I'm kind of pissed about. |
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| Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,394 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | I love how people always take that quote from Nietzsche out of context. Nietsche didn't say it, it was a character of his playing out a point, and the character was lamenting man's abuse of what God is, not celebrating a freedom from God. Good thing there is such a thing as critical thinking. Otherwise this list would mean something. |
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| Banned Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | People who would read these works (and they are, for the most part, written in a way that resembles the warnings on a prescription drug ad in a magazine--though Mein Kampf is an exception) aren't usually going to suddenly say "Yeah, i totally reject god and all of the things I've fully believed in my entire life." People generally aren't going to convert to an idea or belief just because they read a really neat book on the idea. Seriously. Regardless if the Bible itself is (in the long haul) better or worse for mankind in general doesn't take away from the fact that it would be idiotic to label it as "Harmful" and advocate censorship and/or burning of said religious text. Since you need clarification as to why this list is a completely dumb idea, I'll elaborate title to title. If anyone would like to refute Marx's main point that history has been a class struggle, I'd like to hear it. Because, you know, it was. Furthermore, Marxian communism wasn't applied in the Soviet Union. That would be a state-central military dictatorship. Same goes with China, Korea, Vietnam, and other shell-countries. Looking at things like Mein Kampf is extremely important when examining post WWI Europe and the rise of the Nazis. Only a total ****ing moron would sweep it under a rug because of Nazism. You're supposed to learn from history so you don't repeat it, not ignore it. Repeat above except substitute Mao for Hitler and China for Germany. And the time periods. Its also an interesting look as to the third world perception of the US at the time, which was often one of confusion due to the hardline and often blind policy taken towards developing countries. Sex isn't a bad thing. Studies on sexual behavior have a point when researching sociological trends as well as monitering culture. Developing thinking tools (ie: learning from doing) is extremely important to development, though Dewey's educational reforms were never fully implemented in the US and were actually scrapped during the Cold War in favor of developing minds to support the military/industrial advances required during the Cold War. If he influenced education its indirectly through later thinkers who drew on his ideas. Regardless, if this is "harmful," I must be missing the boat on this one. Quote:
Oh no, someone who doesn't think women should be in the kitchen cooking dinner and making babies. Thank god. It only took like 4000 years for people to figure out that women have other uses in society. A French thinker during the revolution who didn't buy into that whole divine right crock. Who would have thought? Nietzsche is in the same line as Machiavelli and other thinkers of that ilk where they basically explain what people ACTUALLY do and in the process tend to shatter egos of people who think they're really being great human beings when they seize power at all costs and lay down an authoritarian hand. Keynesian economics is a tad bit safer than our current policy (Cut and gash taxes while drastically increasing spending at all times) because it is constantly adjusting to the business climate. People like this group are the same types of ****-tard idiots who are in the first row of the bookburning bonfire. If you want the mentality of the type of person that would throw Mark Twain off of high school reading lists, change the ending of Romeo and Juliet, and be the first one to burn anything that comes in conflict with their narrow-minded simplistic view on life, look no further than Human Events. Look at the honorable mention list: Darwin? Nadar (you know, the thing where we went off on the auto industry for making unsafe cars)? Freud? Come on. | |
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| Condescending Film Jerk | Personally, I always thought pop-up books were the most dangerous books out there. |
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| Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Greater Mancester, UK Gender: Posts: 1,860 Thanks: 10 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts | Wait, wait. Are these people meant to represent the right wing of American politics? Are these people meant to trumpet the benefits of right wing policy? All I'm seeing from this website are the sad, self-important, prejudiced, smug, superior ramblings of people who make Margaret Thatcher look liberal by comparison. Anyone seen their latest news item? A hateful little series of books inspiring religious hatred towards Muslims. And claiming the Crusades were a dfensive action for the Christians. (Hah!) If I was a conservative, I wouldn't want to be associated with this site. Because this sort of regressive bigotted tripe does a great job of overshadowing the actual physical benefits of conservatism, of which there are many, I won't deny. ...Sorry. I really should rant at these people, but I can't be bothered expending the energy of typing an e-mail. |
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Threading the jeweled thrones of earth under my sandalled feet Gender: Posts: 2,990 Thanks: 4 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts | Hahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA-HAHA!. Haaa...! |
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